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Airsoft Hardware => Troubleshooting => Topic started by: WizzerGizzer on December 09, 2012, 01:48:41 PM
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I have a nice lil'combat machine m4 with modifications up the butthole and the gun stops shooting randomly after games im not sure why. i use a 11.1v LiPo and a standard Vangurdle gun motor. im looking for a tech to look at it cheaper than vangurdle (cost me 35$ last time), while also installing a new wire and disabling full auto.
http://gyazo.com/3005ebd287abc4e647ec2dbb89ce51a1
EDIT: it looks like this airsofting session ran my battery hard.i would really like to find out if there is something wrong with my gun before lionclaw and maruders next weekend
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Are you tapping away on semi? Or will it just seize up while running full-auto? What is the mah on the battery?
Your battery could be running low. Or that 'vanguard' motor doesnt like being hot, so it refuses to turn over. Your Battery could also be faulty. Does the gun make a noise when it is no longer shooting when you pull the trigger? Do you hear a faint click within the motorgrip? Is your Lipo hot and puffy after you charge it or discharge it in play?
tapping at semi, sometimes at full auto to get people off my back/cover fire (but never too often). the mAh is 1100, the motor attempts to spin but fails, and yes there is a faint click, and i noticed the lipo did puff up after i the gun stopped firing, so i wrapped it in my shemagh and put it in my bag in my car to let it cool down.
right after my battery failed, i used somebody elses battery, which it drained aswell.
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Alright, Well, you were using a failing battery, a Lipo at that, which is dangerous, it could catch fire. Wrapping it in the shemagh doesn't help it cool either, throw it away and buy another.
If you are tapping on semi auto, some times the gun will seize and no longer fire, it can be 'unlocked' by briefly switching to full-auto and firing a burst, then return to semi auto.
What spring are you trying to pull? What is your gear ratio? if the gear ratio is too low, your motor may not be strong enough to fully cycle once the battery is low.
I recommend purchasing a real motor, not something from vanguard, pick up a High Torque motor, not a high speed, and get some nice 18:1 gears.
Also, if you're playing at Vanguard, you should never full-auto, irregardless of your reasons, it is against the rules.
the lipo is brand new, and wrapping it in a shemag is the best thing to do in hot weather. the gun seizing isn't really the problem atm, no idea on gear ratio but pulling a 130 , i have a high powered motor here http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=3897, but my bettery overheats when i try to use it. and i dont play at vangurdle, too many bad experiences...
oh, and the reason why i have a vangurdle motor is because they put one in when they repaired my tappet plate.
and according to airsoft gi, it would be 18.72:1 Source (http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?cPath=31_49&products_id=727), IF these are the same gears in a G&g combat machine m4
and at the all night donation game at vangurdle they had 1 full auto game.
i gotta dip out and go to work, if you really think its the battery, than take a look at my shopping cart
http://gyazo.com/2607b0bad55f5117be2375c470190f06
otherwise, ill tell ya that the wiring might be a bit dirty and i really need to rewire some parts (better, cleaner connections) the gun blew 2 fuses when i tried to use the new motor, ive been fuseless with the vangurdle one and its been fine with/without a fuse.
if there's anything else that might be a contributing factor please text 4806509257
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the lipo is brand new, and wrapping it in a shemag is the best thing to do in hot weather
LOLWUT?
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Its hard to say what is going on because there are so many variables. Gradual gun lock up can be caused by a bad bushing, a tired motor, over shimming, and poor wires. I have chipped a tooth on either the spur or sector gear and had guns lock up, I have had wires or connectors not make full contact which resulted in lock up, I have had motor grips get lose and misaligned the motor and lock up the gearbox, I have had screws come loose around the gearbox and it caused it to lock up, the possibilities are literally endless. Also check your motor adjustment, I have found that after a gun is upgraded and it locks up gradually 90% of the time the motor just needs readjusted to the new shims and set up especially after a spring upgrade. Just take it to a tech in the valley and have them look at it. If you have plastic bushings and your running a m130 off an 11.1 lipo your bushings might be tired or even fractured. Just take it to a tech and have them check it out
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I told you the shemagh wouldn't help the battery but noooo
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Sight so I guess leaving it in the sun would be a good idea right? No? Oh well leaving it in a car in the middle of the desert would be a better idea? No? Ohhhh so putting the battery in my smash in my bag in my car woud be a bad idea because it would stay at a steady temperature.
But hey, beyond that what should I do?
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It seems like he is trolling. Unless he really does want help, in that case im of no use.
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Its hard to say what is going on because there are so many variables. Gradual gun lock up can be caused by a bad bushing, a tired motor, over shimming, and poor wires. I have chipped a tooth on either the spur or sector gear and had guns lock up, I have had wires or connectors not make full contact which resulted in lock up, I have had motor grips get lose and misaligned the motor and lock up the gearbox, I have had screws come loose around the gearbox and it caused it to lock up, the possibilities are literally endless. Also check your motor adjustment, I have found that after a gun is upgraded and it locks up gradually 90% of the time the motor just needs readjusted to the new shims and set up especially after a spring upgrade. Just take it to a tech in the valley and have them look at it. If you have plastic bushings and your running a m130 off an 11.1 lipo your bushings might be tired or even fractured. Just take it to a tech and have them check it out
I tested my gun when I got home, I'm going to redo some of the wiring when I'm off work.
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It seems like he is trolling. Unless he really does want help, in that case im of no use.
nah I want y gun working by this weekend, I want it to last more than 4 hours on 1 LIPo
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Lipos are no joke. If you over-drained your lipo, and it puffed up, throw it the f- away. You will burn down your house once you try to charge it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5_-eBbDE0s
You sound like the kind of person who is best served by sticking to NiMH or NiCd batteries.
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Lipos are no joke. If you over-drained your lipo, and it puffed up, throw it the f- away. You will burn down your house once you try to charge it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5_-eBbDE0s
You sound like the kind of person who is best served by sticking to NiMH or NiCd batteries.
He pulled off a Kuhn. Chase, don't pull a Kuhn. Seriously.
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Its hard to say what is going on because there are so many variables. Gradual gun lock up can be caused by a bad bushing, a tired motor, over shimming, and poor wires. I have chipped a tooth on either the spur or sector gear and had guns lock up, I have had wires or connectors not make full contact which resulted in lock up, I have had motor grips get lose and misaligned the motor and lock up the gearbox, I have had screws come loose around the gearbox and it caused it to lock up, the possibilities are literally endless. Also check your motor adjustment, I have found that after a gun is upgraded and it locks up gradually 90% of the time the motor just needs readjusted to the new shims and set up especially after a spring upgrade. Just take it to a tech in the valley and have them look at it. If you have plastic bushings and your running a m130 off an 11.1 lipo your bushings might be tired or even fractured. Just take it to a tech and have them check it out
I tested my gun when I got home, I'm going to redo some of the wiring when I'm off work.
If you got a puff of smoke from your battery you probably got your trigger contact assembly a little hot it the process of achieving that puff. Check them out, sometimes once the plastic on the trigger contacts gets to the point of softening up, the contacts will shift and the proper contact will not be made. It takes a little talent to get to that point but I have seen worse. And take some sandpaper and go over your trigger contacts to get some fresh metal exposed and a better current running through them.
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Lipos are no joke. If you over-drained your lipo, and it puffed up, throw it the f- away. You will burn down your house once you try to charge it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5_-eBbDE0s
You sound like the kind of person who is best served by sticking to NiMH or NiCd batteries.
He pulled off a Kuhn. Chase, don't pull a Kuhn. Seriously.
i charged it at my house just fine, and the lipo didnt puff up heavily like in the videos. it was just a small inflation. oh and mike since you are so smart like the rest of these people, what should i have done with the battery to cool it down?
and can somebody point me in the right direction for a good tech? i don't trust the ones at vanguard at all, they said my stock motor was a dud.... i just tested it, and ima use it until i can find a tech to look at my gun
and i guess i forgot to mention that i held it against my ac for about a minute to cool it down, and wrapped it in the shemag, put it in my bag, put the bag on the floor of my car, to keep it from getting any hotter than it was. i used to keep a gallon of frozen water in my car wrapped in a towel just so when i got back 7 hours later, there would still be a big block of ice in there. oh im im guessing you are all avoiding the comment about me being in the middle of the desert, yeah if i was at vanguard i would have just put it in my bag, hell if i was at vanguard i wouldn't be using a gun that shoots over 400.
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Lipos are no joke. If you over-drained your lipo, and it puffed up, throw it the f- away. You will burn down your house once you try to charge it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5_-eBbDE0s
You sound like the kind of person who is best served by sticking to NiMH or NiCd batteries.
nuke, i was with fung when you sold him that sight, and you said you worked on guns for 10$ an hour if i remember correctly? if you could look at my gun please?
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Sight so I guess leaving it in the sun would be a good idea right? No? Oh well leaving it in a car in the middle of the desert would be a better idea? No? Ohhhh so putting the battery in my smash in my bag in my car woud be a bad idea because it would stay at a steady temperature.
But hey, beyond that what should I do?
Have the best fire insurance one can buy, the very first priority, Please do yourself a favor on this one my friend :)
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I'm backlogged until late Jan with custom builds. Also busy with building 2 race cars during the same time, so I can't accept any new repairs/builds of any kind until this backlog goes down a bit.
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Pm'd
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Still looking for a tech, avoiding vanguard. i live in chandler.
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A little bit of puffing under heavy normal. I sense you are getting a bit pissy in your responses, so let me clarify. You stated you wrapped the LiPo in the shemagh to cool it. This means either your shemagh was way below ambient temperature or you don't understand the definition of "cool". For it to be cooler than the ambient temperature it would have either had to be pulled from a very cold location (like a freezer) or soaked in water. If it was the later, that's probably the the absolute worst way to cool a battery I could possibly think of. Not to mention LiPo's like to catch on fire when they've been abused. So wrapping it in a flamable material and putting it in your car is probably the worst possible thing to do with it. Lastly you don't really state what you think you were accomplishing by trying to cool the battery. Batteries don't like cold any more than hot and cooling them doesn't fix anything. Exposing the battery to freezing temps will damage it.
Your gun has given you two warning signs there's a problem that you've appeared to completely ignored.
1) Immediately blowing fuses. If you are immediately blowing fuses, assuming you are using appropriate fuses, that means there's something wrong with your electrical system. Typically a short. You've bypassed this safety system and now your battery is taking the brunt of it. By the sound of it, you've completely discharged your battery. As stated previous, throw it away before you start a fire.
2) Clicking noise when pulling the trigger. That means something is wrong and you should stop pulling the trigger. Either the gearbox is locked up or the gun doesn't have enough power to turn it over. You are running a stiff spring and the G&G motors are not that high of torque.
3) Rapidly draining batteries. First off, you haven't told us how long the battery is lasting in a usable measurement. "4 hours" tells us nothing. Roughly how many shots are you getting out of it? Secondly, if you know that battery typically lasts much longer than it did, that once again should cause concern. If it uses a second battery in a much shorter timeframe than normal, that tells you almost certainly that the gun has an issue.
Yes, you need a tech. But you also need to know the basics of how to care for your equipment, especially since you are running a gun "upgraded to the butt" with a LiPo battery. You've basically built a race car and don't seem to know how to change the oil.
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A little bit of puffing under heavy normal. I sense you are getting a bit pissy in your responses, so let me clarify. You stated you wrapped the LiPo in the shemagh to cool it. This means either your shemagh was way below ambient temperature or you don't understand the definition of "cool". For it to be cooler than the ambient temperature it would have either had to be pulled from a very cold location (like a freezer) or soaked in water. If it was the later, that's probably the the absolute worst way to cool a battery I could possibly think of. Not to mention LiPo's like to catch on fire when they've been abused. So wrapping it in a flamable material and putting it in your car is probably the worst possible thing to do with it. Lastly you don't really state what you think you were accomplishing by trying to cool the battery. Batteries don't like cold any more than hot and cooling them doesn't fix anything. Exposing the battery to freezing temps will damage it.
Your gun has given you two warning signs there's a problem that you've appeared to completely ignored.
1) Immediately blowing fuses. If you are immediately blowing fuses, assuming you are using appropriate fuses, that means there's something wrong with your electrical system. Typically a short. You've bypassed this safety system and now your battery is taking the brunt of it. By the sound of it, you've completely discharged your battery. As stated previous, throw it away before you start a fire.
2) Clicking noise when pulling the trigger. That means something is wrong and you should stop pulling the trigger. Either the gearbox is locked up or the gun doesn't have enough power to turn it over. You are running a stiff spring and the G&G motors are not that high of torque.
3) Rapidly draining batteries. First off, you haven't told us how long the battery is lasting in a usable measurement. "4 hours" tells us nothing. Roughly how many shots are you getting out of it? Secondly, if you know that battery typically lasts much longer than it did, that once again should cause concern. If it uses a second battery in a much shorter timeframe than normal, that tells you almost certainly that the gun has an issue.
Yes, you need a tech. But you also need to know the basics of how to care for your equipment, especially since you are running a gun "upgraded to the butt" with a LiPo battery. You've basically built a race car and don't seem to know how to change the oil.
Thanks.