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THE PLANE TAKES OFF
« on: January 30, 2008, 08:02:23 PM »
Seriously.
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« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2008, 08:49:33 PM »
That some kind of code to initiate an extravagant process on the boards?
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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2008, 09:10:35 PM »
his @ss is in the air?
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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2008, 10:33:28 PM »
He's talking about a picture of a 747 photoshopped onto a treadmill with the words "Will it take off?" underneath.
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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2008, 10:37:11 PM »
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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2008, 10:48:59 PM »
Basic rule of physics:  all vector forces act independently of any other force.

Clearly none of the nerds in that forum are pilots...

The given facts are worded poorly, but the two distinct forces here are airspeed v. groundspeed.  I remember a final exam from physics that pretty much asked the same question......

If the belt truly acts to prevent the aircraft from obtaining suitable airspeed it won't fly.  Kind of like trying to take off up in Sedona when its really hot and there is 300 pounds of ass in the back of the FA-182....   but thats a whole other kind of thing...
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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2008, 11:25:39 PM »
I still believe its a message...
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« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2008, 11:49:47 PM »
This seems to me like one of those things where the theory and the practicality differ.

Practically - Once the plane overcomes the friction from the wheels and still has enough forward airspeed to fly, it will.

Theoretically - A true treadmill wouldn't allow any movement of the aircraft relative to the surroundings and it wouldn't take off because there would be no airspeed to utilize Bernoulli's principle.

A lot of flight related things seem to confuse a lot of people.  Like why aircraft carriers turn into the wind to launch aircraft.
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« Reply #8 on: January 31, 2008, 02:30:45 AM »
Having a treadmill runway would be the same situation as if you had a tailwind that equaled that of your groundspeed at takeoff. The net horizontal air movement would be zero, and since the lift from the wings by air rushing over it is the only force in the upward direction the net upward force would be zero.

This also depends on what kind of plane we are talking about. VTOL aircraft obviously have air momentum flows downward causing an upward resultant force, but other aircraft such as the YC-14 direct portions of the engine exhaust to flow over the wings thus assisting takeoff by providing high airflow over the wings causing a greater lift force than just takeoff speed air.

Aircraft with strong tailwinds need greater groundspeed to takeoff which translates into a longer runway run. And if the tailwind was as fast as the normal takeoff airspeed then the plane would need to double its groundspeed to takeoff, if the tailwind airspeed increased proportionally (faster you go faster it would blow) to the aircrafts relative speed then it would never achieve the lift force it would need to become airborne and thus would not take off.

In the reverse, this is why headwinds are great for landings and takeoffs because the groundspeed needed for appropriate lift is smaller and safer.
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« Reply #9 on: January 31, 2008, 09:04:18 AM »
This is why I became an electrical engineer instead.
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« Reply #10 on: January 31, 2008, 09:58:13 AM »
Electrical engineering has more unintuitive stuff than any mechanical processes. It is all voodoo and black magic to me.

It is just that people who speculate about this kind of thing know to stay the hell away from electromagnetic physics.
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« Reply #11 on: January 31, 2008, 10:54:55 AM »
And you are saying that the flight of giant iron birds is not black magic?
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« Reply #12 on: January 31, 2008, 11:01:15 AM »
Quote from: "Ganef"
Electrical engineering has more unintuitive stuff than any mechanical processes. It is all voodoo and black magic to me.

Thats what we let the mechies think.  If we let them try to wire something up, we would have all been Nazis now.

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It is just that people who speculate about this kind of thing know to stay the hell away from electromagnetic physics.


Ironically, the people who speculate about circuit capacity and current flow also think the same...
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« Reply #13 on: January 31, 2008, 11:36:03 AM »
Quote from: "KOBO"
And you are saying that the flight of giant iron birds is not black magic?


Must be because recently Bernouli's theories have been disproven - situationally at least.  For now we really don't know why those fukkin things fly....
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« Reply #14 on: January 31, 2008, 03:53:04 PM »
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Theoretically - A true treadmill wouldn't allow any movement of the aircraft relative to the surroundings and it wouldn't take off because there would be no airspeed to utilize Bernoulli's principle.


In thinking about this a bit more, I'm not sure such a device can actually exist.

Outside forces notwithstanding, such as wind or tires exploding due to too high RPMs, or the treadmill not being long enough, I think the friction in the bearings in the wheels is going to be something negligable to the aircraft in almost any situation.  The airplane, I think, will almost act as if the treadmill is not there at all.
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