Obama and guns

[ultimentra]

and what are you going to do?

Not my place, I have faith in society and you guys are the ones who dont. Also, I am not 18 so technically its YOUR responsibility as an adult and as a citizen to protect the younger generations. But I have seen alot of guys (such as vince) are all like oh my god one man can't do anything in this country we never have a say in anything like prices and what becomes a felony! If you honestly believe that you are wrong. And yes, I honestly believe that there would be 900,000 people and more to join us in a march against ridiculous gun prices/gun ownership becoming a felony/all of above, etc. Mob mentality is a powerful device, that has been proven time and time again in history and if you seriously need examples you need to go back to high school.

-Only Reason for gun and ammo prices going up lately is because of high demand, this is only reason why it would ever happen without there being a controversy about it.
-Making ownership of a so called "pre ban" gun (which the ban will not happen) a felony would be the final straw for many people.

Use your head, but not the part that's scared of a democratic president and don't use the part that's perhaps a little racist.

[Vince]

we never have a say in anything like prices and what becomes a felony

We don't.

[Uchiha Itachi]

we never have a say in anything like prices and what becomes a felony

We don't.

And be glad most people don't. Intelligent, rational and law abiding citizens are few and far. Arizona has one of the best written and laid out Criminal codes. But very few people actually take the time to research. I'm also surprise half the people that posted here actually did.




This SOB didn't exist when they wrote the constitution, bill of rights or anything else. Nor did automatic rifles, 40mm, NVG, planes, grenades, nuclear weapons, jeeps or anything else modern. The hard honest truth is this. There will never be a rebellion in this country. You do not change this country by firearms but by going through the procedures set it place. You fight for your right to bear arms because it is your right given to you by all the soldiers and citizens that have come before us. To which some have given their lives. You fight by electing the right people, by passing the right laws and revoking the bad ones. One man can make a difference but not in the gun realm. Too many people just go, "Well I don't own a gun so I won't fight them for taking what I don't have.". The greatest enemy of freedom isn't the government, its the people.

Now if you think you're man enough to fight an Abrams with an AR15. You can try but I don't think you will get very far.


So let this stupid, worthless chest beating topic die already. There is so much misinformation its not even funny.(doc and vince are good though).

[Exarach]

+1

[Polie]

we never have a say in anything like prices and what becomes a felony

We don't.

And be glad most people don't. Intelligent, rational and law abiding citizens are few and far. Arizona has one of the best written and laid out Criminal codes. But very few people actually take the time to research. I'm also surprise half the people that posted here actually did.




This SOB didn't exist when they wrote the constitution, bill of rights or anything else. Nor did automatic rifles, 40mm, NVG, planes, grenades, nuclear weapons, jeeps or anything else modern. The hard honest truth is this. There will never be a rebellion in this country. You do not change this country by firearms but by going through the procedures set it place. You fight for your right to bear arms because it is your right given to you by all the soldiers and citizens that have come before us. To which some have given their lives. You fight by electing the right people, by passing the right laws and revoking the bad ones. One man can make a difference but not in the gun realm. Too many people just go, "Well I don't own a gun so I won't fight them for taking what I don't have.". The greatest enemy of freedom isn't the government, its the people.

Now if you think you're man enough to fight an Abrams with an AR15. You can try but I don't think you will get very far.


So let this stupid, worthless chest beating topic die already. There is so much misinformation its not even funny.(doc is full of shit).

good posted, but needed editing.

[Exarach]

good posted, but needed editing.

What? Is english, needs tenses.......lol

But seriously, this topic needs to go, its done.

[Polie]

good posted, but needed editing.

What? Is english, needs tenses.......lol

But seriously, this topic needs to go, its done.

So let this stupid, worthless chest beating topic die already. There is so much misinformation its not even funny.(doc is full of s***).

that was all.

[Doc Hollywood]

The child had to try to get a dig in on me...  lol    =D>

Maybe I am full of shitt but guess what  I'm not going anywhere so....

I'm not mean really ... people are just pussys....

good posted, but needed editing.

What? Is english, needs tenses.......lol

But seriously, this topic needs to go, its done.

[Polie]

Im not a child you mingebag.

Your just a snotty chairsoft you need to pull the cock for him ass.

Stop being such a twat, I was only expanding on your thought, not trying to "post over" you originally.

[Doc Hollywood]

hehehe...    

made my day!

[Fat_Santa54]

ok, please people calm down, I made this topic to try and present a reasnable argument and reason why peole need to stop bitching. If anything it was more me ranting about people crying about everything.

Now I'm all for debate, as long as it's reasonable and backed up by some facts. Now look at Docs comments compared to 90% of the other comments made here. If you have am opinion ok, just don't sound like the whining "idealists" college kids that hang out at starbucks with their macs and rainbow sandles that seem to argue everything with some redulus facts they read off of their vegitarian friends blog.

And if you don't believe me go to an apple store, you will see........

[Doc Hollywood]

Holycrap I saw some rainbow sandles on someone this morning at Starbucks!!  Thats funny....  

ok, please people calm down, I made this topic to try and present a reasnable argument and reason why peole need to stop bitching. If anything it was more me ranting about people crying about everything.

Now I'm all for debate, as long as it's reasonable and backed up by some facts. Now look at Docs comments compared to 90% of the other comments made here. If you have am opinion ok, just don't sound like the whining "idealists" college kids that hang out at starbucks with their macs and rainbow sandles that seem to argue everything with some redulus facts they read off of their vegitarian friends blog.

And if you don't believe me go to an apple store, you will see........

[Doc Hollywood]

Speaking of guns..... from the A.P.  

WASHINGTON - People will soon be able to carry concealed, loaded guns in most national parks and wildlife refuges.

The Bush administration said Friday it is overturning a 25-year-old federal rule that severely restricts loaded guns in national parks.

Under a rule to take effect in January, visitors will be able to carry a loaded gun into a park or wildlife refuge - but only if the person has a permit for a concealed weapon and if the state where the park or refuge is located also allows concealed firearms.

The Interior Department rule overturns a Reagan-era regulation that has restricted loaded guns in parks and wildlife refuges. The previous regulation required that firearms be unloaded and placed somewhere that is not easily accessible, such as in a car trunk.

Assistant Interior Secretary Lyle Laverty said the new rule respects a long tradition of states and the federal government working together on natural resource issues.

The regulation allows individuals to carry concealed firearms in federal parks and wildlife refuges to the same extent they can lawfully do so under state law, Laverty said, adding that the approach is in line with rules adopted by the federal Bureau of Land Management and the U.S. Forest Service. Those agencies let visitors carry weapons consistent with applicable federal and state laws.

The National Rifle Association hailed the rule change, which will take effect next month before President-elect Barack Obama takes office.

"We are pleased that the Interior Department recognizes the right of law-abiding citizens to protect themselves and their families while enjoying America's national parks and wildlife refuges," said Chris W. Cox, the NRA's chief lobbyist.

The rule will restore the rights of law-abiding gun owners on federal lands and make federal law consistent with the state where the lands are located, Cox said. The NRA led efforts to change gun regulations they called inconsistent and unclear.

A group representing park rangers, retirees and conservation organizations said the rule change will lead to confusion for visitors, rangers and other law enforcement agencies.

"Once again, political leaders in the Bush administration have ignored the preferences of the American public by succumbing to political pressure, in this case generated by the National Rifle Association," said Bill Wade, president of the Coalition of National Park Service Retirees.

"This regulation will put visitors, employees and precious resources of the National Park System at risk. We will do everything possible to overturn it and return to a commonsense approach to guns in national parks that has been working for decades," Wade said.

The park rule will be published in the Federal Register early next week and take effect 30 days later, well before Obama takes office Jan. 20. Overturning the rule could take months or even years, since it would require the new administration to restart the lengthy rule-making process.
Nick Shapiro, a spokesman for President-elect Barack Obama's transition team, said no decision had been made on the gun rule.

"President-elect Obama will review all eleventh-hour regulations and will address them once he is president," he said.

Sen. Mike Crapo, R-Idaho, hailed the new rule. Crapo and Sen. Max Baucus, D-Mont., had organized letters to Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne complaining about the gun restrictions. The letters were signed by half the Senate - 41 Republicans and nine Democrats.

"I congratulate Secretary Kempthorne for taking this stand. The rule as it has come out is what we asked for with regard to handguns," Crapo said. "It's a very, very significant improvement."

Crapo called the current rule confusing and complex and said it "literally resulted in different standards as you traveled through the same state."

But Sen. [Cunt]Dianne Feinstein[/Cunt], D-Calif., said the new rule was a mistake.

"The Reagan-era rules have stood the test of time and make our national parks safe for all who visit them," Feinstein said. "The Bush administration changes will make our national parks more dangerous and will upset the delicate balance that exists between park visitors and wildlife."

Interior Department spokesman Chris Paolino said the rule would not affect a ban on guns in federal buildings. Guns will still be prohibited in national icons such as Independence Hall and the Statue of Liberty, he said. Guns also will be banned in visitor centers and other buildings at national parks.

[SARC]

But Sen. [Cunt]Dianne Feinstein[/Cunt], D-Calif., said the new rule was a mistake.

Love the new code line..... =D>way to go Doc.