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The Trouble with Vanguard
« on: November 17, 2012, 01:42:42 AM »
Okay, so OP: Zombie Hunter had its share of problems, and not minor among those were our problems with Vanguard. Now, some of this is firsthand, and which bits those are should be obvious, and some of it is hearsay from fairly reliable sources. First off, they agreed to keep our signup sheet there so that those of you who live in the east valley could go and pre-register. Now, I went down there personally and didn't see the signup sheet (or any of our handout flyers) clearly visible anywhere, but I didn't ask about it. Apparently many of you asked on multiple occasions, and were told that Vanguard wasn't a pre-order location. One or two of you fought them on the point and were allowed to pre-order there. This will be important later. At the same time, they were telling PSC that nobody was coming in to pre-order, and everyone there knew about the sign-up sheet etc. etc.

Apparently for a while they were also spreading rumors about our game, that nobody should go because it would be "unsafe". I personally saw that someone had been told that the last mission in particular would be bad, and he recommended to one of our attendees that he should "wear extra padding". Now, for those of you who attended, it was pretty obvious we didn't change the last mission, as without the corn it was admittedly pretty shitty. The civilians had no maze to navigate for their mission: "escape the AO alive", and simply ran straight for the exit, meeting no resistance beyond a few wide shots from the paramilitary as they moved to complete their own mission. And, obviously, nobody was injured.

Finally, they scheduled a lock-in for the night of our event, apparently with the purpose of occupying their employees and giving them an excuse not to attend our Op. The lock-in, it should be noted, was scheduled months after we'd already picked a day for our Op. They were supposed to be there, and they were supposed to bring both a chronograph and the pre-order money. They did neither, saying "we need to be here to help with the lock-in". Luckily, Nukeduster was gracious enough to let us use his chronograph, and even swung by Vanguard on his way out to Glendale to pick up the pre-order money... which they refused to give him, even after PSC authorized it. Last I heard, they are demanding that PhoenixShadowCompany himself go down to Gilbert to pick it up, which is a bit out of the way for someone living in the northwest valley. Either one of them can corroborate that, I'm not absolutely 100% sure how that went down.

Now here's some more of the hearsay bit: we hear that they've done this repeatedly to other groups running events - they agree to help, then they sabotage the event at every possible turn. And in addition, we hear that they've started, without any instigating event, to randomly search VIP players' belongings without cause or provocation, and without that player being present to witness the search, and that some of said players have reported items going missing after finding their bags rifled through.

So I ask, does anybody here have a similar story to tell about their own experiences in partnering with Vanguard, or, for special bonus points, can anybody give a firsthand account of what VIP employees told them about our game and why it was supposedly dangerous?
« Last Edit: November 29, 2012, 04:10:29 AM by Fresnel »

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Re: The Trouble with Vanguard
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2012, 02:29:42 AM »
I know I've encountered some issues in the past. My friend was convinced not to go by his girl friend who used to work at vanguard, and they were telling her that PSC "steals" and other made up stuff. I was very dissappointed to here that.

What I am really pissed about is that I went down to vanguard yesterday to talk to one of the employees there(Emily) and was met with Brian telling me that she had went home early. I was also told that she would not be in on Friday because its her half day. My friend who just went to vanguard tonight said that she was there at 6. Definitely not a half day.

Idk but it seems that vanguard has become a very corrupt place with all the little kiddys' parents' money.


Now I'm not saying that this is for sure the exact fact, but it does make you question what goes on there.

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Re: The Trouble with Vanguard
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2012, 02:34:14 AM »
Oh and also I did forget to mention that vanguard now has a new policy that they will now go through your bags without say and some of the more corrupt staff will take your stuff. I understand for the bag checks as a safety precaution, but when nothing has happened to cause you to need to look through bags, I just don't get why they do it anyways.

I know for sure that one of the former employees took out a few bags of the house BBs from my friends bag, saying they were not to standard and that we had to but house BBs everytime we are there.

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Re: The Trouble with Vanguard
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2012, 03:12:13 AM »
I'm not really surprised to have read this. Never liked the place. Just makes me wish gearbox didn't have to shut down..

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Re: The Trouble with Vanguard
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2012, 06:16:15 AM »
I'm not really surprised to have read this. Never liked the place. Just makes me wish gearbox didn't have to shut down..
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Re: The Trouble with Vanguard
« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2012, 08:14:37 AM »
Last I heard, they are demanding that PhoenixShadowCompany himself go down to Gilbert to pick it up, which is a bit out of the way for someone living in the northwest valley. Either one of them can corroborate that, I'm not absolutely 100% sure how that went down.
Okay, I've been notified this was incorrect, disregard this part.

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Re: The Trouble with Vanguard
« Reply #6 on: November 17, 2012, 10:09:44 AM »
Oh and also I did forget to mention that vanguard now has a new policy that they will now go through your bags without say and some of the more corrupt staff will take your stuff. I understand for the bag checks as a safety precaution, but when nothing has happened to cause you to need to look through bags, I just don't get why they do it anyways.

I know for sure that one of the former employees took out a few bags of the house BBs from my friends bag, saying they were not to standard and that we had to but house BBs everytime we are there.
yeah the whole bag searching thing pisses me off and they didnt do it until the last time i went to go to kwa day and i had house bb's aswell, they were in the big bags that they give you with the 5000 rnd purchase and they said i couldnt use them and they even went as far as saying that they were not .2 gram bb's i called them out on that and had them chrono test for the weight of the bb's and they were .2. there are only about 2 people that i like there, chris being one of them cause he really doesnt follow V.I.P.'s bullshit and this other girls who's name i dont know but she is nice and gave me a free rental cause my primary was not working right :)

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Re: The Trouble with Vanguard
« Reply #7 on: November 17, 2012, 10:50:24 AM »
I'm at vanguard often, and I can see how it changed so much since 2011 (sometimes not in good ways). Very different place, more crowded especially, it's a bigger buisness. I won't bring up the unnoticed cheating, but I agree it changed a lot. I have no involvement with the whole PSC issue though.
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Re: The Trouble with Vanguard
« Reply #8 on: November 17, 2012, 11:09:26 AM »
About 2 weeks ago, LigaChief and i were at vanguard. I fixed a gun for a kid while i was there and showed him how to use the Avocado  burst function. I took the mag out, put the barrel on the ground, and pulled the trigger. The head ref came up to me and told everyone in the vicinity of my table to do 15 pushups, said that we shouldnt be acting like we are "special forces" and that we will never be able to join the military (that has been my dream for years)and said to the other refs that i had the mag in the gun and was shooting it at a kid in his facemask.
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Re: The Trouble with Vanguard
« Reply #9 on: November 17, 2012, 11:20:24 AM »
I have yet to personally have any specifically marring experience at Vanguard, but these stories are admittedly discouraging. If this bag search thing is really true, I will not be attending their field ever again. That is wrong, it's not in the waiver I signed, and some might even say a violation of my Constitutional rights. I was thinking about heading there the next time I had off, but maybe now I'll go down to Tempe Paintball/Airsoft instead....

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Re: The Trouble with Vanguard
« Reply #10 on: November 17, 2012, 12:09:41 PM »
im gonna try tempe paintball cause one of the guys said he would waive the entrance fee for me cause its my first time going so if its a better experience than vanguard ill probably tell all my friends to go to tempe instead of vanguard cause its gotten progressively worse and restrictive also to many little kids that break the rules then complain about everyone else

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Re: The Trouble with Vanguard
« Reply #11 on: November 17, 2012, 01:04:19 PM »
I have yet to personally have any specifically marring experience at Vanguard, but these stories are admittedly discouraging. If this bag search thing is really true, I will not be attending their field ever again. That is wrong, it's not in the waiver I signed, and some might even say a violation of my Constitutional rights. I was thinking about heading there the next time I had off, but maybe now I'll go down to Tempe Paintball/Airsoft instead....
Ive asked a couple people there why they think vanguard can do that and they said its a because its a "private company" and that "they could do whatever they please".

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Re: The Trouble with Vanguard
« Reply #12 on: November 17, 2012, 01:29:16 PM »
They can only do what they please if its in the limits of the constitution. Anything else would be illegal. Search and seizure without probable cause?
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Re: The Trouble with Vanguard
« Reply #13 on: November 17, 2012, 02:14:51 PM »
I have yet to personally have any specifically marring experience at Vanguard, but these stories are admittedly discouraging. If this bag search thing is really true, I will not be attending their field ever again. That is wrong, it's not in the waiver I signed, and some might even say a violation of my Constitutional rights. I was thinking about heading there the next time I had off, but maybe now I'll go down to Tempe Paintball/Airsoft instead....
Ive asked a couple people there why they think vanguard can do that and they said its a because its a "private company" and that "they could do whatever they please".

Actually, it's because in the waiver you have to sign, it says they can check your bags.
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Re: The Trouble with Vanguard
« Reply #14 on: November 17, 2012, 02:40:59 PM »
It doesnt say anywhere in the waiver that they can steal your stuff...