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Offline Matt

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« Reply #15 on: April 30, 2004, 08:33:33 PM »
I am missing a tooth(muller) because I messed up while performing inpec. I have never forgot that moment or what I did wrong, I dont think he will either. He knows what he did wrong, yes is was not smart or the best time. But it happend and there is nothing to do about it, except learn from it. I dont think a 15 year old kid should call someone a "stupid fool" over something he doesnt understand. Everyone was able to say what they felt without disrespecting the guy. He was trying to HELP after all.
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« Reply #16 on: April 30, 2004, 09:28:22 PM »
I think that he held a very effective gun safety course. He drove home the point of gun safety in a way that no one in that room will ever forget. Too bad a large proportion of the audience wasn't mature enough to handle that kind of demonstration; his mistake will most likely cause a few to swing over to supporting restrictive gun laws.
 I used to run training while in the military, and more than a few times I wished that I could make an example out of people that wouldn't take a deadly serious subject seriously.
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« Reply #17 on: April 30, 2004, 09:48:16 PM »
It says .40 cal duty weapon. What make would fire if you let the slide go?Thats strange
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« Reply #18 on: April 30, 2004, 11:46:38 PM »
Personally, I've never shot myself.  I've had other people do it for me.

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« Reply #19 on: May 01, 2004, 12:55:47 PM »
CNN:  http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/05/01/ ... index.html

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ORLANDO, Florida (AP) -- A federal drug agent shot himself in the leg during a gun safety presentation to children in what police describe as an accident. His bosses, however, are still investigating the incident.

The Drug Enforcement Administration agent, whose name was not released, was speaking April 9 to about 50 adults and students organized by the Orlando Minority Youth Golf Association, witnesses and police said.

He drew his .40-caliber duty weapon and removed the magazine, according to the police report. He then pulled back the slide and asked an audience member to look inside the gun and confirm it wasn't loaded.

<font color="red">Witnesses said when the agent released the slide, one shot fired into the top of his left thigh. The gun was pointed at the floor.</font id="red">

The agent was treated at Orlando Regional Medical Center and returned to work, a DEA official said.
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WTF?  If the "gun was pointed at the floor" like the article said, he wouldn't have shot himself in the thigh!
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« Reply #20 on: May 01, 2004, 01:40:20 PM »
Must've been a Magic bullet... same thing as the one that killed JFK.  I smell conspiracy!
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« Reply #21 on: May 01, 2004, 02:07:49 PM »
How would the slide set off the round? wouldn't the firing pin have to be held out when the slide hit?
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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2004, 04:24:38 PM »
Trashcan, go back and read SHIFTY's response. Then go do some homework about mysterious AD's. One name is almost always brought up. I don't think you'll be surprised either. I wasn't. That's why I don't have one.
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« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2004, 05:22:41 PM »
We had just gotten issued new holters for our .45's.  One of the ways we use to break them in was to twist the gun in the holster to stretch the leather otherwise the holster grabbed the slide as you slide the gun in.  One of the guys was doing this while in the chow line but failed to unload his gun before entering the building as was required by the CO.  Well there he was twisting his 1911 side to side and up and down and BLAM! Just missed his foot and the round ricochets back up and right through his lunch tray.  I know he had to clean his shorts after that one.
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« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2004, 05:41:19 PM »
I heard a similar story from a guy who had just switched his duty weapon from a glock to a 1911.  He was doing some practical firearms training out at the Sheriffs office range. The guy just got his gun back from having the trigger widened and had not yet used it with his holster.  The guys lined up to shoot and because he was cocky or something, I'm guessing, when the whistle blows he draws the gun, shoots as fast as he can, and slams the gun back into his holster.  BLAM!  Who the F*&^ Shot Me!  He yells as he falls to his knees.

As it turned out he shot himself.  Because he was used to using a Glock, he did not engage the external safety on the 1911. In addition to this the wider trigger would not fit correctly in his holster and caused the trigger to be pulled when he slammed it into the holster.  The rear grip saftey was disengaged because once again he was shoving the gun into the holster when it misfired.

The guy opened a nice hole starting in his thigh and heading down into his calf.  I guess it did actually miss all the bones, because he did not have any permenant injuries from it. . .

Well maybe his pride.
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« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2004, 09:36:36 PM »
That's what's nice about the Series 80 and Para-Oradanance (now Kimber as well?) 1911's - firing pin safeties. [:D] Although, I suppose in case two it wouldn't have helped because, if connected to the trigger it would have disengaged and since he was mashing the gun into the holster, a grip safety wouldn't have helped either. <img src="http://www.airsoftarizona.com/firearms/forum/images/speech/icon_speech_sigh.gif" border="0"> I suppose some people just weren't meant to be safe with the fun stuff, eh?
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« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2004, 07:53:23 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Paco</i>
<br />CNN:  http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/South/05/01/ ... index.html

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">
ORLANDO, Florida (AP) -- A federal drug agent shot himself in the leg during a gun safety presentation to children in what police describe as an accident. His bosses, however, are still investigating the incident.

The Drug Enforcement Administration agent, whose name was not released, was speaking April 9 to about 50 adults and students organized by the Orlando Minority Youth Golf Association, witnesses and police said.

He drew his .40-caliber duty weapon and removed the magazine, according to the police report. He then pulled back the slide and asked an audience member to look inside the gun and confirm it wasn't loaded.

<font color="red">Witnesses said when the agent released the slide, one shot fired into the top of his left thigh. The gun was pointed at the floor.</font id="red">

The agent was treated at Orlando Regional Medical Center and returned to work, a DEA official said.
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WTF?  If the "gun was pointed at the floor" like the article said, he wouldn't have shot himself in the thigh!
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When they say it was pointed to the floor that doesn't necessarily mean straight down.  You can point a gun at the floor and still be holding it at an angle.
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« Reply #27 on: May 13, 2004, 07:55:47 PM »
i guess he got a bad angle on that one... ba duh bum!!![}:)]
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Federal Agent Shoots Himself During Gun Safety Cou
« Reply #28 on: April 30, 2004, 09:46:53 AM »
http://www.wftv.com/news/3254293/detail.html

ORLANDO, Fla. -- A federal drug agent shot himself in the leg during a gun safety presentation to children and his bosses are investigating.
The Drug Enforcement Administration agent, whose name was not released, was giving a gun safety presentation to about 50 adults and students organized by the Orlando Minority Youth Golf Association, witnesses and police said.

He drew his .40-caliber duty weapon and removed the magazine, according to the police report. Then he pulled back the slide and asked someone in the audience to look inside the gun and confirm it wasn't loaded, the report said.

Witnesses said the gun was pointed at the floor and when he released the slide, one shot fired into the top of his left thigh.

"The kids screamed and started to cry," said Vivian Farmer, who attended the presentation with her 13-year-old nephew.

"Everyone was pretty shaken up," Farmer said. "But the point of gun safety hit home. Unfortunately, the agent had to get shot. But after seeing that, my nephew doesn't want to have anything to do with guns."

The agent was treated at Orlando Regional Medical Center after the April 9 shooting and returned to work, DEA special agent Joe Kilmer said.

Police ruled the shooting was an accident, but the DEA headquarters in Washington was still investigating, Kilmer said.
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