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« Reply #15 on: February 11, 2004, 09:02:47 AM »
Not an AK in the world can ever be made to be less reliable than an M16 variant in function.  The designs make that impossible.
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« Reply #16 on: February 11, 2004, 10:27:54 PM »
Supposedly, HK is unveiling its M4 at the SHOT show this weekend.  So there will be probably be some information/photos about this next week.  HK might also be showing its entry into the SCAR rifle competition, which should be, if nothing else, fun to look at.
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« Reply #17 on: February 11, 2004, 10:39:38 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Raith</i>
<br />Supposedly, HK is unveiling its M4 at the SHOT show this weekend.  So there will be probably be some information/photos about this next week.  HK might also be showing its entry into the SCAR rifle competition, which should be, if nothing else, fun to look at.
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Are there any pics of SCAR entries so far?  As of late I have only heard about the program, and proposed entries.  Definitley a fascinating program, and I cannot wait to get my paws on an airsoft version of whatever rifle wins.  [:P]HA!!  (I know, I know)
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« Reply #18 on: February 13, 2004, 12:06:43 AM »
http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/Military-LE ... es/m4.html

<i>No definitive decision has been as yet made to offer the HKM4 or its components for commercial or retail purchase.</i>

What, they don't like money?
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« Reply #19 on: February 13, 2004, 12:28:49 AM »
Das ist sehr schmutzig!
http://www.hk-usa.com/pages/military-le/mil-leimages/m4yumaburst.jpg
Hans sez:  "Dieses Ding ist schrecklich! Ich mag meinen plastik G36 viel besser.  Aber es ist das verfluchte erotische Aussehen."

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Additional ongoing work:

• Monolithic upper receiver with integral Rail Adapter System
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• HK free-floating modular rail system
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NOTE:  Below link is from MilitaryMorons.com

I wonder if they will base any part of the design on the Lewis Machine and Tool (LMT) Modular Rail Platform (MRP)http://www.militarymorons.com/weapons/img/mrp9.jpg.  I also wonder what the "free-floating modular rail system" will add to the already swamped market of rail systems.  Between A.R.M.S. and KAC, I am curious as to what another non-monolithic system can accomplish that hasn't already been.  I can't wait to find out!
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« Reply #20 on: February 13, 2004, 05:40:24 PM »
Well I have always liked the look of a modded M4.  If HK is introducing this to the civy world then boys, this is my new rifle!
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« Reply #21 on: February 13, 2004, 07:30:08 PM »
What I don't get is that if HK had set out to build a better M4, why the FREAK does it retain the forward assist knob?!!!  That abomination exists BECAUSE of the flaws in the rifle, not as an enhancement.  HK is looking at $$$ here and nothing more, which is to say, they've sold out.  They make some of the world's finest arms, and now this...
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« Reply #22 on: February 13, 2004, 07:39:46 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Legs</i>
<br />What I don't get is that if HK had set out to build a better M4, why the FREAK does it retain the forward assist knob?!!!  That abomination exists BECAUSE of the flaws in the rifle, not as an enhancement.  HK is looking at $$$ here and nothing more, which is to say, they've sold out.  They make some of the world's finest arms, and now this...
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In my 21 years on the blue planet, I have NEVER met a guy that completely loathes a particular weapon system as much as you, Kyle.  It is a testament to your complete devotion to the firearms you love. Cheers, fellow![;)]

With regards to the forward assist knob, I am guessing the inclusion of it was madated by HK customer for this weapon>>the US.  Without mentioning parts commonality and the like, the forward assist knob is familiar sight on this rifle.  I am confused by this however...the HKM4 is an entry into the SCAR program.  The very program that is intended to find a replacement for the M4/M16 series for use by US SOF.  [?]  

No matter what anyone says, this thing has got that "woo woo"!  Now, if they would only lose the gawd-awful trades on every possible surface of the rifle...
A simple red "HK" would do it for me, or even the presence of the red and white trigger group, a dead HK giveaway.
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« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2004, 08:35:11 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by azsarge</i>
<br />...the HKM4 is an entry into the SCAR program.  The very program that is intended to find a replacement for the M4/M16 series for use by US SOF.  [?]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

I don't think their M4 is their entry into the SCAR comp and neither is the XM8, but I think both meet the requirements.
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« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2004, 10:02:07 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by azsarge</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Legs</i>
<br />What I don't get is that if HK had set out to build a better M4, why the FREAK does it retain the forward assist knob?!!!  That abomination exists BECAUSE of the flaws in the rifle, not as an enhancement.  HK is looking at $$$ here and nothing more, which is to say, they've sold out.  They make some of the world's finest arms, and now this...
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In my 21 years on the blue planet, I have NEVER met a guy that completely loathes a particular weapon system as much as you, Kyle.  It is a testament to your complete devotion to the firearms you love. Cheers, fellow![;)]
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Good luck finding a firearm that he ACTUALLY LOVES! For more than a month or two, anyway! LOL! Love ya Kyle!! [:P]
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« Reply #25 on: February 14, 2004, 01:07:56 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Pancho</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by azsarge</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Legs</i>
<br />What I don't get is that if HK had set out to build a better M4, why the FREAK does it retain the forward assist knob?!!!  That abomination exists BECAUSE of the flaws in the rifle, not as an enhancement.  HK is looking at $$$ here and nothing more, which is to say, they've sold out.  They make some of the world's finest arms, and now this...
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In my 21 years on the blue planet, I have NEVER met a guy that completely loathes a particular weapon system as much as you, Kyle.  It is a testament to your complete devotion to the firearms you love. Cheers, fellow![;)]
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Good luck finding a firearm that he ACTUALLY LOVES! For more than a month or two, anyway! LOL! Love ya Kyle!! [:P]
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Panch, congrats on joining the Commie Club!  5 red stars means a 10% off discount to all AA game admissions.
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« Reply #26 on: February 14, 2004, 08:37:42 AM »
I don't loathe the M16 family.  I compliment the line often.  What I do loathe is the love affair so many others have with it.  It is an inferior rifle no matter how many soldiers carry it.  It's in the arsenal because of money, not quality.  It's a comfortable and cool-looking target rifle.  It is not anywhere near the category of the AK for reliability in combat conditions, or most other rifles used across the globe. Tthe forward assist is on the gun because of LOADING PROBLEMS.  I don't care how common in appearance it is.  If HK set out to make an M4, they apparently made an M4.  That's what fails to impress me.  A few mods to the upper would not have altered the look that much but could have resulted in fantastic reliability and a more original profile.  All HK did is make another clone.  I read the review and the claims about better gas systems, etc.  It retains the forward assist...which doesn't exist on any other combat rifle...and that says all I need to know.
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« Reply #27 on: February 14, 2004, 09:28:16 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by azsarge</i>
<br />Panch, congrats on joining the Commie Club!  5 red stars means a 10% off discount to all AA game admissions.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Thank you, thank you <bows>

Does anyone have any pictures of this HK M4?
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« Reply #28 on: February 14, 2004, 10:55:04 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Pancho</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by azsarge</i>
<br />Panch, congrats on joining the Commie Club!  5 red stars means a 10% off discount to all AA game admissions.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Thank you, thank you <bows>

Does anyone have any pictures of this HK M4?
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Go to the link I posted earlier, Frank, there are photos on the HK website.
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« Reply #29 on: February 14, 2004, 11:16:22 AM »
Sorry...musta missed it!
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