Airsoft Arizona
General Airsoft Arizona => General Airsoft Discussion => Topic started by: Exarach on October 23, 2013, 12:26:22 PM
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http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/calif-sheriffs-deputies-shoot-kill-13-year-old
(http://news.msn.com/crime-justice/calif-sheriffs-deputies-shoot-kill-13-year-old)
Looks like a cyma or aftermath!
Be very careful out there guys!
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Heard about this incident this morning, very unfortunate that this happened. I'm sure more information will come out in the coming days.
Just a few tips from a former law enforcement officer when interacting with "the fuzz".
-always follow directions given by the officer
-always address the officer as "Officer" (they like that)
-always show respect for authority
-good idea to transport any kind of weapon (fake or real) in a case if possible
-if an officer approaches while preparing for a game or messing with your gear, set it down, step away from gear and keep hands visible
-even if officer is wrong, on the spot is not the time to disagree or resist, police departments have a process for civilian complaints or court of law depending on situation
Hope you find the above tips useful, it's good to remember that where we play, how we interact with non-players and our conduct at events has an effect on the general public's perception of Airsoft and the people that play it.
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Also forgot, Never point your airsoft gun at anyone except the player you intend to shoot, and only during a game.
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-Only transport weapons in a case/bag
FTFY.
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all good rules to follow here. After reading this article the only thing that really that really has me wondering is why did they have to shoot several times? despite probably being a gut reaction to seeing someone carrying an ak 47 it does sound like a little much.
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This is a really sad event that happened and the only thing that I can think of to answer your question is, think of when you are playing airsoft. Do you shoot just once? You want to make sure that you hit your target. Sadly, these officers didn't know if the gun was real or not but if it had been a real ak47, they would've been out gunned with just their handguns. The young boy didn't listen or respond to their command to put the weapon down. It's just sad. I am sorry that a life was taken but I don't blame the officers, in fact I don't think there is anyone to blame.
I want to share a positive situation that I had with some sheriff deputies. A couple of years ago my friends and I had found an abandoned warehouse and thought it would be fun to clean it up and play. We knew we were trespassing but we thought we could take the risk. Well, another group showed up to play paintball and seeing us took off. Coincidently, about 10 minutes later, two squad SUV's show up. There were about 15 of us. We quickly went to our cars and put our airsoft rifles away, took off our masks and walked out to meet them with our hands out. We were sited but they didn't do more than that and asked us to leave. I share because even though we trespassed, which I don't condone, it was a positive experience and no one was hurt and no one got in trouble because we respected the sheriff's authority. If only that young boy had done the same.
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Greeeeaaaaattt....
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..Darwin.
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Thanks Xavier
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oh man...makes me wonder how safe it is to play outside..
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Where to start...
Well, first of all, never carry ANYTHING that could be mistaken for a weapon in your hands in public. Period. It's a bad idea. As Edward McRichy said, A GUN CASE IS MANDATORY AIRSOFT EQUIPMENT. Hell, duffle bags, backpacks, and guitar cases will work for compact guns. BLANKETS OR TOWELS ARE NOT ENOUGH!
Cheap gun cases:
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ProductListing.aspx?catid=16865&s=eyJPTERDQVRFR09SWVBBUkFNUFJPRFVDVExJU1RJTkciOltdLCJPTERCUkFORFBBUkFNUFJPRFVDVExJU1RJTkciOltdLCJPTERXQVJFSE9VU0VQQVJBTVBST0RVQ1RMSVNUSU5HIjpbXSwiT0xERklMVEVSQllQQVJBTVBST0RVQ1RMSVNUSU5HIjpbXSwiT0xEQVRUUklCVVRFUEFSQU1QUk9EVUNUTElTVElORyI6W119&sb=priceLow&pn=1000
$15 + shipping could save your life. Most people have no clue what airsoft is (bring it up in casual conversation with a coworker).
Another thing that troubles me is that a 13 year old was given free reign to carry an airsoft gun by his parents. It's kind of hard to miss an AK47 leaning up against your son's trumpet case in his bedroom. He could have stealthed it in and out of the house, but seriously, that's a lapse in parenting. Giving a kid liberty with something that looks so real is asking for problems.
The gorilla in the room is what the California legislature will do with this.
oh man...makes me wonder how safe it is to play outside..
Shouldn't be a problem, as long as you're on public land outside of city limits or on a recognized field.
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all good rules to follow here. After reading this article the only thing that really that really has me wondering is why did they have to shoot several times? despite probably being a gut reaction to seeing someone carrying an ak 47 it does sound like a little much.
Police nowadays are trained to shoot until the magazine is empty, then reload and assess the situation. This is because they are trained to shoot center mass to down a target. Within the 3 ways that a target can be successfully eliminated with most common pistol caliber rounds, that being either a central nervous system hit, critical organ hit, or blood loss, blood loss is the quickest and easiest way to put a target down and keep them down, as getting a CNS hit can prove to be pretty difficult. So they are trained to empty the magazine into their opponents chest, hoping to make as many holes as possible.
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..Not to mention it gives a temporarily "lost it!" defense in court.
Three things.. This kid was an idiot.. The cops were spooked, and shouldn't the kid's parents be a mite more responsible? Junior should NOT have been horsing around like that. Should they be held legally liable for this?
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Breaking news,
Cops drove up slowly Behind the kid, hid behind there car doors, and yelled at him. All ok, the kid turns around, and they shot him as he began to turn, fearing the rifle.
Kid had the unfortunate disadvantage of not being the bright light, and the cops apparently didn't take the time to analyze the situation. Bad deal either way.
Basically, a sad deal all around, and easily preventable.
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I heard today that the cops told the kid 13 times to put down the gun, which he never did. Any information on that? Im not too sure.
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It's tough to get the facts from the media (kind of ironic). I googled the incident and an article popped up that stated that the officer ordered the boy to put down the rifle twice. 8 shots were fired from one of the deputies.
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http://www.npr.org/2013/10/30/241896233/police-community-relations-strained-after-teens-death
From All Things Considered on NPR. Concerned about the line "prevalence of toy guns". Again, the Cal state legislature will be the thing to watch.
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I may stir shit up right now but the cops where prob not at fault (even though I hate cops) they where their to protect. Now these days seems like anybody can get a hold of a real firearm or convert a airsoft gun into a firearm (Ruger 10/22 conversion P90) gun shootings at school bombs etc. Anyways I think a lot has to do with these stupid ignorant people walking around with their firearms to "exercises" their 2nd amendment rights and give cops a hard time. Yeah maybe in the 1800's it was a normal thing to have your revolver flashing and your double barrel shotgun on your back.... this is the 21st century the human race is different. Want to carry a pistol go ahead Im all for it but have it concealed hidden nobody needs to know and scare the panty hoes of a 80 year old woman at Walmart! Basically if your out and about walking around with your firearm out in the open and everyone can see it your asking for trouble and its unfortunate but the kid payed for it with his life. We should all learn from his mistake, unless you wanna die then you have no pity. Im sure its giving airsoft a bad name too, the guns are too real, it didnt have a orange tip blah blah blah... What if the gun was real and he would have turned around, cops are not gonna take that risk, shit would you?
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I think it all lands on the parents. Proper gun teachings and respect for guns. Every real gun owner knows to treat ALL guns as if they are REAL and LOADED. Airsoft gun or not is not an excuse.... look where it led. Parents may have been thinking"oh its just a toy gun " WRONG!. If the kid had it in a gun bag like a gun owner/ gun owners' properly trained child should have as MACE stated....would still be here.
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I think it all lands on the parents. Proper gun teachings and respect for guns. Every real gun owner knows to treat ALL guns as if they are REAL and LOADED. Airsoft gun or not is not an excuse.... look where it led. Parents may have been thinking"oh its just a toy gun " WRONG!. If the kid had it in a gun bag like a gun owner/ gun owners' properly trained child should have as MACE stated....would still be here.
You are right on!!!
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It happened in California... not shocking really.
I understand many will find my attitude on this subject somewhat... dry, but frankly if the gun is the same one displayed in the pictures, given the laws in the state of California, the police were within their right to fire feeling threatened by a kid with an AK. That picture clearly shows that the "Orange/red" tip that should be on the weapon is not present. The kid was probably being a smartass and waving it towards the cops too.
Is it terrible a 13 year old kid is dead because of this? Yes, yes it is. But it seems, as it was, that the kid [or his friend, as the gun apparently belonged to his friend] was already breaking California state law by not having the blaze orange tip present.
Frankly we don't have this worry here in the state of Arizona. You can open carry an airsoft gun just as simply as you can a real steel version.
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Evike is heading this off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFU1RWvABJ8
If you're a minor, please share this with your parents. We want to keep are realistic guns, not have it end up like it has in Canada or the UK.