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KJW M4
« on: September 07, 2009, 02:09:25 AM »
Performance?
Where's the best place to buy it?
Is it durable?

Million dollar question....
Is it RELIABLE?

And since we're on the subject of GBB rifles, how is WE?
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Re: KJW M4
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2009, 04:07:42 AM »
Here's a place with a lot of reviews on the gun: WE M4 GBB Review

I can also tell you the only person here in town that I know owns a WE hates his with a passion.  The KJW is supposed to be better, but I wouldn't hold your breath.
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Re: KJW M4
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2009, 08:32:27 AM »
The KJW M4 IS By Far THE Best GBB on the Market Hands Down!

Read my reviews on Arnie's Airsoft and at Gas Gun Info forums.

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Re: KJW M4
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2009, 08:36:18 AM »
Actually Let Me Attempt To Move The 'Meat' of the thread over,,,



I won't bore anyone with un-interesting pictures of the gun in stock form.

Finish of the gun is like an AEG, doesn't really have the gritty, rugged aesthetic of the MILSPEC M4A1. The Feel of the gun is fantastic, very solid, good weight, fire controls are sturdy, selector is hard to move Which Is How It Should Be - Once In Position It Doesn't Move A Bit!

Take Down Pin is not of the MILSPEC design the same for the front pivot pin. However both pins fit very tight and are very solid with both pins protruding out of the reaction side of the lower receiver mimicking the look and function of MILSPEC receiver pins.

The bolt stop is pinned to the reaction side of the lower receiver just like MILSPEC.


It moves freely and is actuated by the magazine easily. With the receivers separated, insert the empty magazine and the bolt catch moves up crisply and solidly. The bolt catch design is so more surface area is contacting on the carrier, the carrier is also cut to accommodate the bolt catch or carrier catch as it were for better positive engagement - VERY NICE!!!


Still Feeling the sting of the Craptastic AGM Whore That Took ALL My Money And Refused To Put Out!!  I Nervously Loaded up the magazines and shot the gun - the recoil Is Surprisingly Solid.  But Not A Kick In The Nuts Like The WA - AGM - There Is Less Felt Recoil - However the bolt carrier group cycles quickly and crisply. Felt more refined than rudimentary almost like a snap.  In this session with 2 KJW   Mag - Ghey - zines  (Not A Fan Of The Ghey Ass Look Of These Mags!) I nervously shot through the first mag until the bolt locked back.  Quickly Loaded the fresh mag and shot again until empty, topped off both mags again with BBs and repeated - 7 Times!  As soon as the gun surpassed 3 mags it had ALREADY Out Paced Anything The AGM Did - EVAR - With Zero Failures or Incidents! By the 7th magazine I was in full tactical forward lean while shooting - WHY - Because the front of my shorts was hurting my boner and I Had to lean forward to alleviate the pressure!  It chrono'd at 420fps with .25 g BBs using propane gas, mmm the smell of it!

Ok then, for the moment I was confident enough the gun wasn't going to go all Lindsay Lohan on me. I decided to look under her skirt and see if I could get a good view like Anakchan when he looks up while walking up the stairs at Shinjuku station!  The guns smooth cycling is due mainly by the bolt / carrier group.  The front half of the bolt is the polycarbonate cup that houses the nozzle to propel the BB. Very light, well designed with a pronounced BB extractor the gas expands in the cup propelling the BB forward and once the BB is gone the gas pushes the remainder of the bolt carrier back into the buffer tube and back again completing the cycle. The bolt carrier is much lighter, thinner than her WA / WE sisters.  
It is a sturdy, formed steel carrier with a metal weight welded into the back of the carrier right where the carrier mates with the buffer.  Which explains why the gun shoots so smooth, all the weight is to the back, all the business is up front creating a quick snappy action with half the weight and the violence of action of the WA design.


Another major design difference is the buffer being smaller in diameter and made of Delrin, smaller buffer spring with the buffer sliding inside a polished brass tube. Very clean and silky smooth just like the Zohan likes it!  I am sad to be unable to put my Magpul A.S.A.P. Plate on the gun as the buffer tube is actually a brass tube with very fine threads.  The buffer tube visible to the  operator is merely a skin that is fastened down over the inner brass tube with one fitting over the other like how and inner barrels resides inside the outer barrel.

Yet another major design change is the hop up bucking is located on the inner barrel.  Not surprised you say, well some of you have seen it before as it is the VSR-10 hop up bucking.  The adjustment is located in the upper receiver placed right in the forward most position ejection port.  Turn dial in design is difficult to turn as it adjusts the hop up bucking. Which is fine by me as I don't want it rattling loose messing with my adjustment mid skirmish. I adjusted the hop up and shot at a door handle at 50 yards with shot after repeatable shot!  In Short People The Hop Up Works Like Fucking Magic!  Better than anything I had on my AGM - By Far!

Well, engineer by nature I could not, would not let her sit there with her school clothes on.  Oh No, if she's going to be on my arm, She Has To Be The Hottest Bitch In The Room - it was time to make her look like the saucy minx she is!

I had to make her at ease and go slow, so the plain stock had to go and on went the MILSPEC Magpul CTR.  Fits slightly loose but securely pins into every detent adjustment all the way down.

Next was the Magpul trigger guard, stock one has the spring pin in the front at the magazine well - roll pin at the pistol grip.  Magpul is long set screw at the magazine well - roll pin at the pistol grip.

Magpul MOE Grip was like hey buddy who wants to party?  Well the stock pistol grip was suddenly the fat ugly chick in the crowd and she just fell off the gun in pure shame!  One thing to note - the stock KJW pistol grip cap screw is much larger than the cap screw used on the WA / AGM so be sure to save the stock one and use it.  Another thing to note is to be careful not to lose the tension spring for the selector switch.  With the pistol grip removed it is exposed just like the MILSPEC or WE.

The front set came off real easy, especially with the supplied tools to do the job.  The outer barrel is all metal; the front section of the barrel where it connects to the metal body is a different make than the metal of the front barrel that is visible from the front sight post forward.  The A2 flash hider is press fit onto the end of the barrel and is held on by set screw for good measure.  The front sight post is pinned and will only remove one way in one direction as one side of the pins are shouldered.  So pay attention as to which side is bigger before attempting remove.

The attachment point into the metal body is nearly exactly as an AEG.  They look identical until compared side by side and you'll note there is an extra notch cut into the bottom side of the barrel.  
That notch is to allow the BB extractor on the underneath of the bolt nozzle to move freely under the hop up assembly but safely into the barrel extension with out destroying the extractor.  Also in the inner bore of the outer barrel needs to have a step drilled into to properly seat the hop up bucking / inner barrel assembly securely into the barrel extension.
Otherwise the hop up adjustment will not work, the bolt will slam into the improperly cut barrel destroying itself, you'll tear up the hop up bucking or All three if you're an unlucky bastard!

I test fit my G&P Defender front set for the WA, the barrel nut fits fine, the hand rails fit fine, the gas tube & gas block fit fine, The WA Barrel = No Go!  I was expecting that like Oprah expects cake which is why I had my Classic Army AEG CQB outer barrel at the ready.  Good friend of mine with a machine shop and more importantly CNC Milling Machinery was there to save this little lady like Bill Clinton on a trip to Korea.  FIRST Took All The Measurements From How the Inner Barrel W/Hop Up Assembly fits into the Stock Outer Barrel assembly.  This Is The Important Part - Wrote Those Down - Checked Them Again - Holy Shit They Were the Same??  Essentially on the outer barrel we had to cut a notch to accommodate for the BB extractor travel into the barrel extension.  It needed to be .300" deep and .156" wide allowing for .010" clearance on either side of the BB extractor.  The amount of material that needs to be removed from the inside diameter of the outer barrel where the hop up bucking / inner barrel assembly firmly seats In Bore Depth is .079"  The milling bore bit diameter size is .420" and Blam - You Successfully Converted An AEG Barrel For Use On The New KJW Hotness!


Assembled the front set - Test fired - Verified the Hop Up Adjustment - Verified Good - Shot 5 More Magazine Through - BCG Worked Fine - Finished Assembling The Gun -

- Shot 2 More Mags Through Making a Total of 14 Mags Today Alone So I Would Call It A Successful Day - Lets See About Tomorrow Huh?

Hard Part Is Over Fellas - Now The Fun Part Begins - I Will Shoot The Hell Out Of this Gun And Report Back
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Re: KJW M4
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2009, 08:37:35 AM »
Saturday, August 29th, 2009

1300 Hours
Temperature 111F / 43.8C In Sunny Arizona

Propane Gas Used - Coleman Propane Fuel -  http://www.thegreathardwarestore.com/Pr ... click=2744

Firing Mode Rapid Fire Semi Auto Only - Semi Auto Only Testing Today!

Loaded up both KJW Magazines by filling the KJW fill tube until the end as the BBs just touch the feed funnel at the end of the clear plastic tube.  Round count on my feeder is 32 BBs using this method - 32 BBs Fit Both Magazines - I Have Not Attempted To Feed More Than 1 Fill Tube To Check Maximum Capacity.  That Will Come Later,,,

Firing the gun, Once Again the gun performed as expected -

No Double Feeds:
The KJW has yet to double feed into the hop up.  BBs load smoothly from magazine to hop up to out the muzzle everytime.  The BB extractor works marvelous and is positive contact as it rides through the BB trough of the magazine.  The BB trough on the magazine is just the correct width for the extractor to travel past.  The front of the nozzle is angled and the inner rails of the BB trough are beveled.  This fits the round shape of the bolt nozzle perfectly and the angled front edge insures th BB is not contacting a sharp right angled corner but a direct flat surface once the BB extractor moves the BB from the BB trough into the hop up.

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The front side of the BB trough is of course 6mm for the BBs to properly feed into the hop up.  The BB trough has a different design than the WA/WE design and is longer, more dense and made of plastic as the Entire Upper Section of the magazine Is One Piece.  That's Correct The BB Trough IS One Piece With The Entire Top Section.  I believe this was designed this way for higher structural integrity should the magazine land BB trough down so the entire assembly takes the impact rather than one individual fastened on part take the brunt of the impact.  Also the upper section of the magazine has a slight cant / angle to facilitate positive contact from the bolt cup gas port to the magazine gas port seal.  It Is No Where Near As Pronounced like say the GHK AK-74 or AK-47 series but it is easily seen by the eye.


The BB extractor 3.5mm wide, the BB trough on the magazine is 4mm wide so there is No Possible Opportunity for the BBs to be pulled back into the upper receiver by the BB extractor.


No Failure to fire:
The gun shoots cleanly and smoothly through the entire magazine no issues pushing the BB into the hop up bucking.  The bolt cup positively contacts the hop up bucking and disengages just as smoothly. The bolt cup gas port contacts the magazine gas seal positively during operation and seems to be robust and efficient as noted by the 3 reloads or 96 BB (32 BBs per mag as mentioned earlier) / Per Gas Fill average. Again 3 BB Loads Per Gas Fill - 3 to 1 Average!

Bolt Lock:
Bolt locked back after last round expended after every Loaded Magazine.

Although it should be noted if there is No BB Present In The Hop Up and No BBs In The Magazine - The Bolt Does Not Always Lock Back!  This Might Be Due To Design but Will Investigate Further To Discover The Root Cause.

No Trigger Reset Failures:
Fire the gun - pull the trigger - keep holding the trigger back - slightly let up on the trigger - trigger resets - fire the gun.
Trigger reset every time with no issues.
Repeated in Multiple /
Fire the gun 2 Shots / Double Tap - pull the trigger - keep holding the trigger back - slightly let up on the trigger - trigger resets - Fire the gun 2 Shots / Double Tap.
Fire the gun 3 Shots / Double Tap - pull the trigger - keep holding the trigger back - slightly let up on the trigger - trigger resets - Fire the gun 3 Shots / Double Tap.
Again trigger reset every time with no issues.

Hop Up Adjustment:
The hop up held adjustment from the prior days shooting.  The engagement distance was CQB distance of 25 Yards / 22.86 Meters.  Shot groups were 6 inches but bear in mind precision groups were not intended.  Shots fired today were all rapid fire, controlled suppressive fire (Quick 6 - 10 shot groups on a given object), controlled 10 shot groups fired as quickly as possible.  2 Magazines were shot for repeatability and consistency and at 25 yards the shot groups were 2.5" - 3" groups


One Issue To Report!

Both Magazines Stopped feeding 18 - 20 BB mark.  One magazine stopped feeding at the 18 BB mark, the other magazine stopped feeding at the 20 BB mark.  Inspection of the magazines revealed the spring was not expanding from it compressed state.  The clearly visible BBs were loose, rattling around with zero upward pressure.  Percussive Maintenance was employed - I beat the side of the magazine and the spring let loose of  what ever it was hanging up on.  I will need to smoothen out the BB channels of the magazines and I hope this will alleviate the BB movement in the magazine issue.

Total Magazines Expended Today = 22

Total Issues / Incidents Encountered = 2 / Magazine Related

Total Bolt Locking Back After Last BB = 36

Total Magazine Count Expended = 36

Total Round Count = 1152
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Re: KJW M4
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2009, 08:38:46 AM »
Saturday, August 29th, 2009

2000 Hours
Temperature 95F / 35C In Evening Arizona

Propane Gas Used - Coleman Propane Fuel -  http://www.thegreathardwarestore.com/Pr ... click=2744

- Firing Mode = Rapid Fire - Semi Auto Only -

!!   I Have A Very BAD Thing To Report!!  

Magpul B.A.D Installation on KJW M4 = Success!

Reaction Side View


Primary Side View


Reaction Side Angle View


25 Yard / 22.86 Meters Engagement / CQB Distance -

Loaded and Gassed Both Magazines:


Expended 1st magazine - Bolt Did Not Lock Back After Last Shot!

Expended 2nd Magazine - Bolt Did Not Lock Back After Last Shot!


FUCK!!  


Wondering if the added weight of the B.A.D. Is Not Allowing For Bolt Stop To Move Up?


Quickly Reloaded Both Magazines: Repeat Test - 2nd Attempt

Expended 1st magazine - Bolt Locked Back After Last Shot - Grins Like Idiot

Expended 2nd magazine - Bolt Locked Back After Last Shot - Grins Like Idiot


Quickly Reloaded Both Magazines: Repeat Test - 3rd Attempt

Expended 1st magazine - Bolt Locked Back After Last Shot - Swelling Ensues

Tactical Front Lean Employed To Alleviate Pressure In Pants.

Expended 2nd magazine - Bolt Locked Back After Last Shot - Go Looking For Tidy Wipe!



Again The Gun Shot, Fed, Grouped As Expected.  Will need to gather data as to why the gun is not locking back the 1st test period.



Total Magazines Expended Today = 28

Total Issues / Incidents Encountered = 4 / 2 Issues = Magazine Related - 2 Incidents = Battery Assist Device Related.

Total Bolt Locking Back After Last BB = 40

Total Magazine Count Expended = 42

Total Round Count = 1344
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Re: KJW M4
« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2009, 08:39:51 AM »
Wednesday, September 2nd, 2009

1200 Hours
Temperature 107F / 41.6C Afternoon in Arizona

Propane Gas Used - Coleman Propane Fuel -  http://www.thegreathardwarestore.com/Pr ... click=2744

- Firing Mode = Rapid Fire - Semi Auto - Fully Automatic

2 key items to watch for - monitor performance of Magpul B.A.D. Lever and continue to monitor performance of magazines.

Possible Issue With Added Weight of BAD and Proper Bolt Lock Operation

Continue To Monitor BBs 'Stove Piping' in the BB Feed Channel of Magazine.


Began testing with customary fill once, load 3 times per magazine, gun ran as expected for the 6 magazines.  
Next began shooting the gun from improvised urban positions:
Urban Prone - Primary Side 2 Magazines
Urban Prone - Reaction Side 2 Magazines
Fired Inverted (Upside Down W Magazine Pointing Up) 2 magazines
Encountered No Issues, BB flight path normal, shot groups average.

Propane Bottle Becoming Low:
Began testing gun operation with low bottle conditions - fill magazine - ability to fire 5 to 8 full power shots - dramatic power depletion in following 2 shots, out of gas with one more shot.

Repeat Test 3X on both magazines - Gun ran as normal - no issues.
Propane Tank Fully Empty - Disposed of Properly In Proper Receptacle.

Began using new propane tank, found magazine 2 BB tray stove piping again. Percussive maintenance performed, magazine loading normally.  Found magazine 2 double fed into gun, stripped magazine, racked bolt, cleared jam, inserted magazine, charged bolt, began firing.  Magazine 2 double fed again and several times after, noted that magazine 1 had not double fed but magazine 1 did stove pipe in the magazine twice during the course of the day.

Noted that the gun had consumed 52 magazines and had yet to be lubed.  During the course of disassembling the gun and lubing found first notable failure(s).

Item # 9 Cup Seal Had Torn!


Item # 15 Bolt Cup Had Fractured


Item # 7 Bolt Carrier Exhibiting Heavy Gouging


Lubed components - assembled gun and carried on - shot a total of 4 magazines and had my first failure to fire.  That's correct, rack the charging handle, move from safe to semi, pull trigger and nothing, had to move fire selector forward and the gun would fire with no pressure on the trigger.  Trigger would not reset after firing.  Removed BCG from gun - inspect BCG and found the nozzle interior the bolt cup had destroyed the spring and the nozzle plunger as well.  At this point gun is now exhausting propane as the plunger rests in the normally open position from its spring.  The expanding gas pushes the BB forward before the gasses overcome the spring pressure closing the plunger.  Thus filling up the bolt cup driving back the carrier and carrier group back into the buffer tube assembly.
Item # 17, 17A, 35


After Complete Disassembly of the gun, found a small piece of what  was left nozzle plunger lodged under the trigger group.

Essentially now after 64 total lifetime magazines what I had left was a GBB laying in wait for KJW to respond to emails about getting me some replacement parts.  Parts that I am hopeful will get soon.  Undaunted I forged on and assembled the gun, loaded up a magazine, to my surprise not only did it shoot the BB but the bolt cycled as well.

One thing I noted was how the magazines were really exhibiting cool down now that the nozzle plunger was no longer there in the bolt cup to keep the efficiency of the gas consumption down.  Noted also was magazines were now at 2 reloads per gas fill as the efficiency of the gun was NG!

Surprisingly though the gun is still firing, not only that but the bolt is now locking back after magazine with the BAD Lever having no effect what so ever on the operation of the bolt stop


Total Magazines Expended Today = 44

Total Issues / Incidents Encountered = 26 / 2 Issues = Magazine & Bolt Related

Total Bolt Locking Back After Last BB = 70

Total Magazine Count Expended = 84

Total Round Count = 2752
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Re: KJW M4
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2009, 08:41:32 AM »
Later this afternoon the gun will be chrono'd at Gear Box Airsoft to verify the FPS in its current state.

Before the failure the gun in stock factory form using .25g BBs running propane gas shot 440 fps consistently.
3 mag reloads at 32 BBs per gas refill.


Again and surprisingly: The Gun Is Still Running

Broken gas seal,
Broken bolt cup,
Scarred / Gouged carrier,
Broken nozzle plunger,

Additional Notes:
Observations of Gun In This State


Bolt Lock Did Not Fail To Lock Back - Positive and Consistent Bolt Lock.
Increase In Felt Recoil - Gun Kicking Noticeably Harder.
Increase In Audible Muzzle Report - Gun Got Very Loud.
Magazine Cool Down - Magazines Gathered Large Droplets of Water Condensation!
No Effect On Hop Up - BB Flight Path Initially Altered, Once Readjusted Hop Up Performed As Expected.

Configuration of Functional Accessories:

Redi-mag Installed,
Magpul B.A.D. Lever,
Custom AEG CQBR 10.5" Barrel,

No Response From KJW as of yet regarding my request to purchase replacement parts.  KJW has however responded to a previous inquiry regarding the warranty issue of the gun as the gun serial # is KJ00217 and falls within the KJW recall notice regarding the KJW M4 Buffer, Buffer spring and magazine recall,,,
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Re: KJW M4
« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2009, 08:42:17 AM »
Thursday, September 3rd, 2009

1600 Hours
Temperature 110F / 43.33C Afternoon in Arizona

Propane Gas - .25g BBs

Propane Gas Used - Coleman Propane Fuel -  http://www.thegreathardwarestore.com/Pr ... click=2744

- Firing Mode = Semi Auto - Slow Fire -

Test Fired 1 Magazine Through Gun And Chrono'd:
1st  Shot = 480 fps - 146.3 mps
Last Shot = 441 fps - 134.4 mps

Surpisingly the gun still is shooting very hard although not any where near as consistent than as with nozzle plunger intact.
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Re: KJW M4
« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2009, 08:43:28 AM »
KJW Update

Friday, September 4th, 2009

0015 Hours


Made a phone call to KJW in Taiwan, a business associate of mine who is from Taiwan.  And being a native of Taiwan who is obviously fluent in Taiwanese spoke with 'Clare' on the phone.  

Cleared up what items needed to be ordered / what items are warranty / standing by for response email with quote and Paypal address to get my parts shipped state side.

Gotta love America - even in 'Red Neck' Arizona you can find a native person from the country you need goods and services from!



"It's A Small World After All, It's A Small World After All,It's A Small World After All, It's A Small, Small, World,,,,
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Re: KJW M4
« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2009, 08:44:41 AM »
KJW Update

Saturday, September 5th, 2009

0540 Hours


Below is the email I received from KJ Works regarding my parts needed / order.
Looks like pulling out the big gun was the way to do it.  They still don't have a dedicated English speaking person for customer service.  But we were able to get er done in terms of getting what was needed,,,



Hi You Big Stud You,

The part #7.15.17.17A.35 need pay the money.

Cost $1010 TWD=32.00 USD.

Shipping fee is  $3.00 USD.

And the part #9.53.74.M19 is with Warranty.

Our paypal account is  kjworks@ms47.hinet.net

Thank you!
 
Clare
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Re: KJW M4
« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2009, 08:47:54 AM »
So as you can see me being an engineer has gotten the best of me when it came to testing and evaluating the KJW gas blow back rifle!

What I WILL State For Absolute - Do NOT Purchase the AGM M4!  It Is Complete and Utter Crap!  When I tested and evaluated that craptastic piece of Shiite I sunk $1,100 into the gun and it NEVER ran right!

Don't Buy It - If You Do Don't Say You Weren't Warned,,,
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Re: KJW M4
« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2009, 06:16:11 AM »
KJW Update

Thursday, September 10th, 2009

0611 Hours


My apologies for not updating sooner, work has been less than cooperative,,,



Hello Raven1,

Regarding the transaction below:

Seller's Name: kjworks
Seller's Email: kjworks@ms47.hinet.net
Transaction ID: 4KX45267WN957872G
Transaction Date: Sep. 5, 2009 05:30:09 PDT
Transaction Amount: $35.00 USD

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So I'm waiting for my Warranty + Replacement Parts to be arriving soon,,,
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Re: KJW M4
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2009, 02:49:39 PM »
Below is a snap of my CT Vest, the mag pouches are made to fit Two USGI Stanag Magazines Snugly!  As you can see the KJW Thermolds fit, but the Fit Is Very Tight.  Also notice I usually keep the flap tucked in behind the magazines but the KJW magazines are so thick I am unable to; but pulling them out in a pouch so tight is not practical.





Next up are the KJW Magazines in single Fast Mag pouch.  The fit is very nice, easily stowed and held / easily accessed when needed.




For those of you who go with more "commercial" gear such as the Pantac Ciras or other ACM type gear.  Traditionally more commercial gear pouches have a more 'Relaxed' fit in regards to magazine retention.

Below is the Pantac double mag pouch.  As you can see the pouch isn't stretched tight around the magazines and fit loosely.  So loose the magazines are actually falling away from each other.





Single Magazine pouches are no issue either as most have some type of elastic band for added retention and will easily accommodate the KJW M4 or any other M4 magazine.


In Summary:

Double Mag Pouch - Using Eagle, Paraclete, Tactical Tailor, Coyote Tactical or any USGI Stanag Spec Pouches + KJW Thermold = No Go!

Single Mag Pouch - Fast Mag + Thermold = Go

Double Mag Pouch - Pantac / Phantom, ACM or China Made = Go

Single Mag Pouch = Go
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Re: KJW M4
« Reply #14 on: March 23, 2010, 08:46:49 PM »
RANGE REPORT
Operation Red Storm
Saturday, March 20th, 2010


0900 Hours
Temperature 74F / 23.3C In Sunny Southern California - 367 Feet / 112 Meters in Elevation

Propane Gas Used - Coleman Propane Fuel -http://www.thegreathardwarestore.com/Produ...&click=2744

Firing Mode Rapid Fire Semi Auto - 28 Magazines


Gun State:

Magpul B.A.D. Lever - Cradle Airsoft Piston - Cradle Airsoft Aluminum Velocity Reducer - Using 'Echo 1' .28 BBs, Cradle Airsoft 6.03 Tight Bore 280mm Length for 10.5" CQB Barrel

Pre-Game Gun Inspection Revealed No Abnormal Wear In BCG or Buffer + Buffer Tube.

Decided to say “Phuket” and Did NOT Lube The Gun!



Chrono Testing:
( GGI Member “TheFlash” Chrono’d and test fired the gun at the Chrono Station
Great Meeting You Bro! )


Cradle Airsoft Velocity W/No Adjustment Spacers Installed Yet.  O-Ring Currently Present On The Gun Is The Stock KJW O-Ring Removed From KJW Plunger and Installed Onto Cradle Aluminum Plunger/Reducer.

.20 BBs with an Ambient Temperature of 74F / 23.3C

Shot 1 446 FPS
Shot 2 446 FPS
Shot 3 441 FPS
Shot 4 443 FPS
Shot 5 441 FPS

With The Stock KJW O-Ring Still In Place
Installed 2mm Spacer On Top Of Stock KJW O-Ring
Installed Cradle Airsoft Supplied O-Ring To Capture and Retain 2mm Spacer

Verification Chrono Results:

Shot 1 346 FPS
Shot 2 346 FPS
Shot 3 340 FPS
Shot 4 336 FPS
Shot 5 336 FPS

I Ran the gun at this FPS for the entire Op as some engagement distances were as close as 10 feet.  10 Feet being the M.E.D. or Minimum Engagement Distance.

Performance & Consistency:

The gun ran great and found no issues with trigger response, shot grouping, shot placement or trajectory.

The gun is zero’d for a 65 foot engagement but dealt with primarily CQB distances and found it no problem as I watched the BBs contact just above the red dot in my sight.

Found that .25 and .20 BBs would fly straight and trajectory would stay flat out to 65 feet.

However I did note that with the lighter weight BBs after or about the 75 foot range the BBs would suddenly and Abruptly Curve Up – Essentially Over Hopping.  The Reason I noted this is because I had lost my Mag loader with my .28BBs and had to use the lighter weight BBs until I was able to break off and head back to the vehicles to get the spare mag loader and bag of .28BBs.


Magazines Loaded with 33 BBs each

Topped Off Magazines With Propane With Every BB Fill – I did this for tactics only as in some cases the action was very heavy and I didn’t want to still have BBs and no propellant as I witnessed with guys running their WA or WE systems.  They would simply run out of juice and have plenty of BB in the mag.  So the mags were topped off to avoid running dry.

Incidents / Issues Encountered:

Magazine #2 stopped feeding correctly, quick inspection revealed the remaining 4 – 6 BBs would be “floating” inside the BB channel with NO Spring Pressure Being Applied By The BB Follower.

Upon disassembly found noted the BB Feed Channel had debris, and found that the Black BB Follower had debris Embedded onto its sides.

Even Further Inspection revealed that the follower spring had been compressed from usage and when laid in a side by side comparison to the spare magazine springs I had on hand.  The spring was considerably shorter than the spare magazine follower springs.

Cleaned feed channels, follower and changed spring and the magazine performance returned to normal.

Please Note:

Both Magazines are the Original Magazines Purchased with the gun!
Both magazines Have Only Been Lubed and Cleaned – No Part / O-Ring Has Yet To Be Replaced.
Both Magazines Have Been Deployed In Temperatures Ranging From 28F / -2.22C All the way Up to 118F / 47.7C and Are STILL Leak Free!


Total Round Count Per Magazine Approximately 6,632 BBs.


Total Magazines Expended = 28

1 BB Load To 1 Gas Fill

Total Issues / Incidents Encountered / Magazine Related= 1

Total Bolt Locking Back After Last BB = 27

Total Magazine BBs Expended = 924

Total Round Count = 13,264
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