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Why we are fighting the GWOT
« on: July 07, 2005, 08:01:52 PM »
I don't really feel like getting into a flame war with anyone tonight and I can't believe how stupid even threads about very tragic events can become.

This is an excerpt from the 9-11 commission's report. The report in general is very interesting. I'm about half way through it. You can pick up a hard or soft cover copy at most bookstores and libraries, you can download a free PDF from the official website, or you can download an audio version (about 20 hours) from the itunes music store for about $3.

I highly recommend that you read through at least this section if you want to understand our enemy, the terrorist. I will make the most important parts bold if you don't feel like reading all of it. It is copied/pasted from a PDF, so some of the formatting is messed up.

The following is from Section 2- THE FOUNDATION OF  THE NEW TERRORISM.
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2.1 A DECLARATION OF WAR

In February 1998,the 40-year-old Saudi exile Usama Bin Ladin and a fugitive Egyptian physician,Ayman al Zawahiri,arranged from their Afghan headquarters for an Arabic newspaper in London to publish what they termed a fatwa issued in the name of a “World Islamic Front.â€￾A fatwais normally an interpretation of Islamic law by a respected Islamic authority,but neither Bin Ladin, Zawahiri, nor the three others who signed this statement were scholars of Islamic law.Claiming that America had declared war against God and his messenger,they called for the murder of any American,anywhere on earth,as the “individual duty for every Muslim who can do it in any country in which it is possible to do it.â€￾

Three months later, when interviewed in Afghanistan by ABC-TV, Bin Ladin enlarged on these themes. He claimed it was more important for Muslims to kill Americans than to kill other infidels.“It is far better for anyone to kill a single American soldier than to squander his efforts on other activities,â€￾ he said.Asked whether he approved of terrorism and of attacks on civilians,he replied:“We believe that the worst thieves in the world today and the worst terrorists are the Americans.Nothing could stop you except perhaps retaliation in kind.We do not have to differentiate between military or civilian.As far as we are concerned,they are all targets.â€￾

Though novel for its open endorsement of indiscriminate killing, Bin Ladin’s 1998 declaration was only the latest in the long series of his public and private calls since 1992 that singled out the United States for attack.

In August 1996,Bin Ladin had issued his own self-styled fatwa calling on Muslims to drive American soldiers out of Saudi Arabia.The long,disjointed document condemned the Saudi monarchy for allowing the presence of an army of infidels in a land with the sites most sacred to Islam,and celebrated recent suicide bombings of American military facilities in the Kingdom. It praised the 1983 suicide bombing in Beirut that killed 241 U.S.Marines,the 1992 bombing in Aden,and especially the 1993 firefight in Somalia after which the United States “left the area carrying disappointment,humiliation,defeat and your dead with you.â€￾

Bin Ladin said in his ABC interview that he and his followers had been preparing in Somalia for another long struggle,like that against the Soviets in Afghanistan,but “the United States rushed out of Somalia in shame and disgrace.â€￾
Citing the Soviet army’s withdrawal from Afghanistan as proof that a ragged army of dedicated Muslims could overcome a superpower,he told the interviewer:“We are certain that we shall—with the grace of Allah—prevail over the Americans.â€￾He went on to warn that “If the present injustice continues ...,it will inevitably move the battle to American soil.â€￾

Plans to attack the United States were developed with unwavering singlemindedness throughout the 1990s. Bin Ladin saw himself as called “to follow in the footsteps of the Messenger and to communicate his message to all nations,â€￾5and to serve as the rallying point and organizer of a new kind of war to destroy America and bring the world to Islam.

2.2 BIN LADIN’S APPEAL IN THE ISLAMIC WORLD

It is the story of eccentric and violent ideas sprouting in the fertile ground of political and social turmoil.It is the story of an organization poised to seize its historical moment.How did Bin Ladin—with his call for the indiscriminate killing of Americans—win thousands of followers and some degree of approval from millions more?

The history,culture,and body of beliefs from which Bin Ladin has shaped and spread his message are largely unknown to many Americans.Seizing on symbols of Islam’s past greatness,he promises to restore pride to people who consider themselves the victims of successive foreign masters.He uses cultural and religious allusions to the holy Qur’an and some of its interpreters. He appeals to people disoriented by cyclonic change as they confront modernity and globalization.His rhetoric selectively draws from multiple sources—Islam, history,and the region’s political and economic malaise.He also stresses grievances against the United States widely shared in the Muslim world.He inveighed against the presence of U.S. troops in Saudi Arabia, the home of Islam’s holiest sites.He spoke of the suffering of the Iraqi people as a result of sanctions imposed after the Gulf War,and he protested U.S.support of Israel.

Islam

Islam (a word that literally means “surrender to the will of Godâ€￾) arose in Arabia with what Muslims believe are a series of revelations to the Prophet Mohammed from the one and only God,the God of Abraham and of Jesus. These revelations,conveyed by the angel Gabriel,are recorded in the Qur’an. Muslims believe that these revelations,given to the greatest and last of a chain of prophets stretching from Abraham through Jesus,complete God’s message to humanity.The Hadith, which recount Mohammed’s sayings and deeds as recorded by his contemporaries,are another fundamental source.A third key element is the Sharia,the code of law derived from the Qur’an and the Hadith.

Islam is divided into two main branches, Sunni and Shia. Soon after theProphet’s death,the question of choosing a new leader,or caliph,for the Muslim community,or Ummah,arose.Initially,his successors could be drawn from the Prophet’s contemporaries,but with time,this was no longer possible.Those who became the Shia held that any leader of the Ummah must be a direct descendant of the Prophet; those who became the Sunni argued that lineal descent was not required if the candidate met other standards of faith and knowledge.After bloody struggles,the Sunni became (and remain) the majority sect.(The Shiaare dominant in Iran.) The Caliphate—the institutionalized leadership of the Ummah—thus was a Sunni institution that continued until 1924,first under Arab and eventually under Ottoman Turkish control.


Many Muslims look back at the century after the revelations to the Prophet Mohammed as a golden age.Its memory is strongest among the Arabs.What happened then—the spread of Islam from the Arabian Peninsula throughout the Middle East,North Africa,and even into Europe within less than a century—seemed,and seems,miraculous.6Nostalgia for Islam’s past glory remains a powerful force.

Islam is both a faith and a code of conduct for all aspects of life.For many Muslims,a good government would be one guided by the moral principles of their faith.This does not necessarily translate into a desire for clerical rule and the abolition of a secular state. It does mean that some Muslims tend to be uncomfortable with distinctions between religion and state,though Muslim rulers throughout history have readily separated the two.

To extremists,however,such divisions,as well as the existence of parliaments and legislation, only prove these rulers to be false Muslims usurping God’s authority over all aspects of life.Periodically,the Islamic world has seen surges of what, for want of a better term, is often labeled “fundamentalism.â€￾ Denouncing waywardness among the faithful,some clerics have appealed for a return to observance of the literal teachings of the Qur’an and Hadith. One scholar from the fourteenth century from whom Bin Ladin selectively quotes, Ibn Taimiyyah,condemned both corrupt rulers and the clerics who failed to criticize them.He urged Muslims to read the Qur’an and the Hadith for themselves,not to depend solely on learned interpreters like himself but to hold one another to account for the quality of their observance.

The extreme Islamist version of history blames the decline from Islam’s golden age on the rulers and people who turned away from the true path of their religion,thereby leaving Islam vulnerable to encroaching foreign powers eager to steal their land,wealth,and even their souls.


Bin Ladin’s Worldview

Despite his claims to universal leadership,Bin Ladin offers an extreme view of Islamic history designed to appeal mainly to Arabs and Sunnis.He draws on fundamentalists who blame the eventual destruction of the Caliphate on leaders who abandoned the pure path of religious devotion. He repeatedly calls on his followers to embrace martyrdom since “the walls of oppression and humiliation cannot be demolished except in a rain of bullets.â€￾ For those yearning for a lost sense of order in an older,more tranquil world,he offers his “Caliphateâ€￾ as an imagined alternative to today’s uncertainty.For others, he offers simplistic conspiracies to explain their world.

Bin Ladin also relies heavily on the Egyptian writer Sayyid Qutb. A member of the Muslim Brotherhood executed in 1966 on charges of attempting to overthrow the government, Qutb mixed Islamic scholarship with a very superficial acquaintance with Western history and thought.Sent by the Egyptian government to study in the United States in the late 1940s,Qutb returned with an enormous loathing of Western society and history.He dismissed Western achievements as entirely material,arguing that Western society possesses “nothing that will satisfy its own conscience and justify its existence.â€￾

Three basic themes emerge from Qutb’s writings.First,he claimed that the world was beset with barbarism,licentiousness,and unbelief (a condition he called jahiliyya,the religious term for the period of ignorance prior to the revelations given to the Prophet Mohammed). Qutb argued that humans can choose only between Islam and jahiliyya.Second,he warned that more people, including Muslims, were attracted to jahiliyya and its material comforts than to his view of Islam;jahiliyyacould therefore triumph over Islam.Third, no middle ground exists in what Qutb conceived as a struggle between God and Satan.All Muslims—as he defined them—therefore must take up arms in this fight.Any Muslim who rejects his ideas is just one more nonbeliever worthy of destruction.

Bin Ladin shares Qutb’s stark view, permitting him and his followers to rationalize even unprovoked mass murder as righteous defense of an embattled faith.Many Americans have wondered,“Why do ‘they’hate us?â€￾Some also ask, “What can we do to stop these attacks?â€￾

Bin Ladin and al Qaeda have given answers to both these questions.To the first,they say that America had attacked Islam;America is responsible for all conflicts involving Muslims.Thus Americans are blamed when Israelis fight with Palestinians,when Russians fight with Chechens,when Indians fight with Kashmiri Muslims,and when the Philippine government fights ethnic Muslims in its southern islands.America is also held responsible for the governments of Muslim countries,derided by al Qaeda as “your agents.â€￾Bin Ladin has stated flatly,“Our fight against these governments is not separate from our fight against you.â€￾ These charges found a ready audience among millions of Arabs and Muslims angry at the United States because of issues ranging from Iraq to Palestine to America’s support for their countries’repressive rulers.


Bin Ladin’s grievance with the United States may have started in reaction to specific U.S.policies but it quickly became far deeper.To the second question,what America could do,al Qaeda’s answer was that America should abandon the Middle East,convert to Islam,and end the immorality and godlessness of its society and culture:“It is saddening to tell you that you are the worst civilization witnessed by the history of mankind.â€￾If the United States did not comply,it would be at war with the Islamic nation,a nation that al Qaeda’s leaders said “desires death more than you desire life.â€￾

History and Political Context

Few fundamentalist movements in the Islamic world gained lasting political power.In the nineteenth and twentieth centuries,fundamentalists helped articulate anticolonial grievances but played little role in the overwhelmingly secular struggles for independence after World War I.Western-educated lawyers, soldiers,and officials led most independence movements,and clerical influence and traditional culture were seen as obstacles to national progress.

After gaining independence from Western powers following World War II, the Arab Middle East followed an arc from initial pride and optimism to today’s mix of indifference,cynicism,and despair.In several countries,a dynastic state already existed or was quickly established under a paramount tribal family. Monarchies in countries such as Saudi Arabia,Morocco,and Jordan still survive today.Those in Egypt,Libya,Iraq,and Yemen were eventually overthrown by secular nationalist revolutionaries.

The secular regimes promised a glowing future,often tied to sweeping ideologies (such as those promoted by Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser’s Arab Socialism or the Ba’ath Party of Syria and Iraq) that called for a single, secular Arab state.However,what emerged were almost invariably autocratic regimes that were usually unwilling to tolerate any opposition—even in countries,such as Egypt,that had a parliamentary tradition.Over time,their policies—repression,rewards,emigration,and the displacement of popular anger onto scapegoats (generally foreign)—were shaped by the desire to cling to power.

The bankruptcy of secular, autocratic nationalism was evident across the Muslim world by the late 1970s.At the same time,these regimes had closed off nearly all paths for peaceful opposition,forcing their critics to choose silence, exile,or violent opposition.Iran’s 1979 revolution swept a Shia theocracy into power.Its success encouraged Sunni fundamentalists elsewhere.

In the 1980s,awash in sudden oil wealth,Saudi Arabia competed with Shia Iran to promote its Sunni fundamentalist interpretation of Islam,Wahhabism. The Saudi government,always conscious of its duties as the custodian of Islam’s holiest places,joined with wealthy Arabs from the Kingdom and other states bordering the Persian Gulf in donating money to build mosques and religious schools that could preach and teach their interpretation of Islamic doctrine.

In this competition for legitimacy, secular regimes had no alternative to offer.Instead,in a number of cases their rulers sought to buy off local Islamist movements by ceding control of many social and educational issues.Emboldened rather than satisfied,the Islamists continued to push for power—a trend especially clear in Egypt.Confronted with a violent Islamist movement that killed President Anwar Sadat in 1981, the Egyptian government combined harsh repression of Islamic militants with harassment of moderate Islamic scholars and authors,driving many into exile.In Pakistan,a military regime sought to justify its seizure of power by a pious public stance and an embrace of unprecedented Islamist influence on education and society.

These experiments in political Islam faltered during the 1990s:the Iranian revolution lost momentum,prestige,and public support,and Pakistan’s rulers found that most of its population had little enthusiasm for fundamentalist Islam. Islamist revival movements gained followers across the Muslim world,but failed to secure political power except in Iran and Sudan.In Algeria,where in 1991 Islamists seemed almost certain to win power through the ballot box,the military preempted their victory,triggering a brutal civil war that continues today. Opponents of today’s rulers have few,if any,ways to participate in the existing political system.They are thus a ready audience for calls to Muslims to purify their society,reject unwelcome modernization,and adhere strictly to the Sharia.

Social and Economic Malaise

In the 1970s and early 1980s,an unprecedented flood of wealth led the then largely unmodernized oil states to attempt to shortcut decades of development. They funded huge infrastructure projects,vastly expanded education,and created subsidized social welfare programs.These programs established a widespread feeling of entitlement without a corresponding sense of social obligations.By the late 1980s,diminishing oil revenues,the economic drain from many unprofitable development projects,and population growth made these entitlement programs unsustainable.The resulting cutbacks created enormous resentment among recipients who had come to see government largesse as their right.This resentment was further stoked by public understanding of how much oil income had gone straight into the pockets of the rulers,their friends,and their helpers.

Unlike the oil states (or Afghanistan,where real economic development has barely begun),the other Arab nations and Pakistan once had seemed headed toward balanced modernization.The established commercial, financial, and industrial sectors in these states, supported by an entrepreneurial spirit and widespread understanding of free enterprise, augured well. But unprofitable heavy industry, state monopolies, and opaque bureaucracies slowly stifled growth. More importantly, these state-centered regimes placed their highest priority on preserving the elite’s grip on national wealth.Unwilling to foster dynamic economies that could create jobs attractive to educated young men, the countries became economically stagnant and reliant on the safety valve of worker emigration either to the Arab oil states or to the West.Furthermore, the repression and isolation of women in many Muslim countries have not only seriously limited individual opportunity but also crippled overall economic productivity.

By the 1990s,high birthrates and declining rates of infant mortality had produced a common problem throughout the Muslim world:a large,steadily increasing population of young men without any reasonable expectation of suitable or steady employment—a sure prescription for social turbulence.Many of these young men,such as the enormous number trained only in religious schools,lacked the skills needed by their societies.Far more acquired valuable skills but lived in stagnant economies that could not generate satisfying jobs.

Millions,pursuing secular as well as religious studies,were products of educational systems that generally devoted little if any attention to the rest of the world’s thought,history,and culture.The secular education reflected a strong cultural preference for technical fields over the humanities and social sciences. Many of these young men,even if able to study abroad,lacked the perspective and skills needed to understand a different culture.


Frustrated in their search for a decent living,unable to benefit from an education often obtained at the cost of great family sacrifice,and blocked from starting families of their own,some of these young men were easy targets for radicalization.

Bin Ladin’s Historical Opportunity

Most Muslims prefer a peaceful and inclusive vision of their faith,not the violent sectarianism of Bin Ladin.Among Arabs,Bin Ladin’s followers are commonly nicknamed takfiri,or “those who define other Muslims as unbelievers,â€￾ because of their readiness to demonize and murder those with whom they disagree.Beyond the theology lies the simple human fact that most Muslims,like most other human beings,are repelled by mass murder and barbarism whatever their justification.

“All Americans must recognize that the face of terror is not the true face of Islam,â€￾President Bush observed.“Islam is a faith that brings comfort to a billion people around the world.It’s a faith that has made brothers and sisters of every race.It’s a faith based upon love,not hate.â€￾ Yet as political,social,and economic problems created flammable societies,Bin Ladin used Islam’s most extreme,fundamentalist traditions as his match.All these elements—including religion—combined in an explosive compound.

Other extremists had,and have,followings of their own.But in appealing to societies full of discontent,Bin Ladin remained credible as other leaders and symbols faded.He could stand as a symbol of resistance—above all,resistance to the West and to America.He couldpresent himself and his allies as victorious warriors in the one great successful experience for Islamic militancy in the 1980s:the Afghan jihad against the Soviet occupation.

By 1998, Bin Ladin had a distinctive appeal, as he focused on attacking America.He argued that other extremists,who aimed at local rulers or Israel, did not go far enough.They had not taken on what he called “the head of the snake.â€￾

Finally,Bin Ladin had another advantage:a substantial,worldwide organization.By the time he issued his February 1998 declaration of war,Bin Ladin had nurtured that organization for nearly ten years.He could attract,train,and use recruits for ever more ambitious attacks,rallying new adherents with each demonstration that his was the movement of the future.


If you want to keep reading Section 2, pick up now at section 2.3 on page 55.

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« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2005, 08:35:41 PM »
The most important point that I think everyone should take from this:

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Many Americans have wondered,“Why do ‘they’hate us?â€￾Some also ask, “What can we do to stop these attacks?â€￾

Bin Ladin and al Qaeda have given answers to both these questions.To the first,they say that America had attacked Islam;America is responsible for all conflicts involving Muslims.Thus Americans are blamed when Israelis fight with Palestinians,when Russians fight with Chechens,when Indians fight with Kashmiri Muslims,and when the Philippine government fights ethnic Muslims in its southern islands.America is also held responsible for the governments of Muslim countries,derided by al Qaeda as “your agents.â€￾Bin Ladin has stated flatly,“Our fight against these governments is not separate from our fight against you.â€￾ These charges found a ready audience among millions of Arabs and Muslims angry at the United States because of issues ranging from Iraq to Palestine to America’s support for their countries’repressive rulers.


Translation: There is no negotiating. Regardless of what you think about US foreign policy or any other political BS, don't ever think that we could end this by just pulling out of whatever place and being "nice."

I sure hope that nobody responds and quotes that first post.
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« Reply #2 on: July 08, 2005, 12:17:42 AM »
the facts are better than fiction.
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« Reply #3 on: July 08, 2005, 07:59:52 AM »
Good info Greg, however, out of pure curiousity, isn't it Osama Bin Laden, not Usama Bin Ladin?
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« Reply #4 on: July 08, 2005, 10:00:49 AM »
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Good info Greg, however, out of pure curiousity, isn't it Osama Bin Laden, not Usama Bin Ladin?


Either.  

And we can all thank Bill Clinton for this guy still being alive.  

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Re: Why we are fighting the GWOT
« Reply #5 on: July 08, 2005, 10:24:28 AM »
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I don't really feel like getting into a flame war with anyone tonight and I can't believe how stupid even threads about very tragic events can become.


If you don't like getting into "flame wars" if would probably be better if you didn't come into a thread and insult folks for their comments like you did in the  London bombing forum.  References to stupidity (such as you made in this thread), "petty forum squabbles" and "political hard-ons" tend to create or sustain confrontational discussions.  Those kinds of comments are not the kind you should make if avoiding conflict is truly your intent.

Anyhoot...

Let us know why you get to the part where the 9/11 Commission states that there was no tangible link between Saddam/Iraq and 9/11.

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« Reply #6 on: July 08, 2005, 10:30:19 AM »
And why is this thread in General Airsoft?!!!
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« Reply #7 on: July 08, 2005, 11:47:05 AM »
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And why is this thread in General Airsoft?!!!


Fixed. Posting for rank.
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« Reply #8 on: July 08, 2005, 12:11:45 PM »
Lets not kill the thread here though, theres still to be discussed. I have never personally read the 9/11 reports, I thought they didn't release them yet.
I read most of that excerpt, but not all. Did it link Suddam to 9/11?
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« Reply #9 on: July 08, 2005, 02:41:39 PM »
The 9-11 Commission report was released a long time ago. It was in the front of most bookstores for a long time.

I accidentally must have posted this in General Airsoft while I intended to post it in Off-Topic.

Quote from: "-Wraith-"
Good info Greg, however, out of pure curiousity, isn't it Osama Bin Laden, not Usama Bin Ladin?

A footnote from the report:
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Note:Islamic names often do not follow the Western practice of the consistent use of surnames.Given the variety of names we mention,we chose to refer to individuals by the last word in the names by which they are known:Nawaf al Hazmi as Hazmi, for instance,omitting the article “alâ€￾that would be part of their name in their own societies.We generally make an exception for the more familiar English usage of “Binâ€￾as part of a last name,as in Bin Ladin.Further,there is no universally accepted way to transliterate Arabic words and names into English.We have relied on a mix of common sense,the sound of the name in Arabic,and common usage in source materials,the press,or government documents.When we quote from a source document,we use its transliteration,e.g.,“al Qidaâ€￾instead of al Qaeda.



As for the Iraq question, lead, the report says mixed things-
This is pretty much everything that it says about Iraq. I just searched the PDF for the word "Iraq" and these are all of the the significant mentions of it. (ie- not including a single mention of the country in a long list)

1. In parts I've already copied here, it says that Bin Laden doesn't like some of the more secular leaders in the islamic world, which doesn't make a connection sound very likely.

2. from page 61:
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Bin Ladin was also willing to explore possibilities for cooperation with Iraq, even though Iraq’s dictator, Saddam Hussein, had never had an Islamist agenda—save for his opportunistic pose as a defender of the faithful against “Crusadersâ€￾during the Gulf War of 1991.Moreover,Bin Ladin had in fact been sponsoring anti-Saddam Islamists in Iraqi Kurdistan,and sought to attract them into his Islamic army.

To protect his own ties with Iraq,Turabi reportedly brokered an agreement that Bin Ladin would stop supporting activities against Saddam. Bin Ladin apparently honored this pledge,at least for a time,although he continued to aid a group of Islamist extremists operating in part of Iraq (Kurdistan) outside of Baghdad’s control.In the late 1990s,these extremist groups suffered major defeats by Kurdish forces.In 2001,with Bin Ladin’s help they re-formed into an organization called Ansar al Islam.There are indications that by then the Iraqi regime tolerated and may even have helped Ansar al Islam against the common Kurdish enemy.

With the Sudanese regime acting as intermediary,Bin Ladin himself met with a senior Iraqi intelligence officer in Khartoum in late 1994 or early 1995. Bin Ladin is said to have asked for space to establish training camps,as well as assistance in procuring weapons,but there is no evidence that Iraq responded to this request.55As described below,the ensuing years saw additional efforts to establish connections.

[...][Talks about Sudan and Afghanistan until page 66]

There is also evidence that around this time Bin Ladin sent out a number of feelers to the Iraqi regime,offering some cooperation.None are reported to have received a significant response.According to one report,Saddam Hussein’s efforts at this time to rebuild relations with the Saudis and other Middle Eastern regimes led him to stay clear of Bin Ladin.

In mid-1998,the situation reversed;it was Iraq that reportedly took the initiative.In March 1998,after Bin Ladin’s public fatwa against the United States, two al Qaeda members reportedly went to Iraq to meet with Iraqi intelligence.In July,an Iraqi delegation traveled to Afghanistan to meet first with the Taliban and then with Bin Ladin.Sources reported that one,or perhaps both,of these meetings was apparently arranged through Bin Ladin’s Egyptian deputy,Zawahiri,who had ties of his own to the Iraqis.In 1998,Iraq was under intensifying U.S. pressure, which culminated in a series of large air attacks in December.

Similar meetings between Iraqi officials and Bin Ladin or his aides may have occurred in 1999 during a period of some reported strains with the Taliban. According to the reporting,Iraqi officials offered Bin Ladin a safe haven in Iraq. Bin Ladin declined,apparently judging that his circumstances in Afghanistan remained more favorable than the Iraqi alternative. The reports describe friendly contacts and indicate some common themes in both sides’hatred of the United States.But to date we have seen no evidence that these or the earlier contacts ever developed into a collaborative operational relationship.Nor have we seen evidence indicating that Iraq cooperated with al Qaeda in developing or carrying out any attacks against the United States.

3. page 98, after talking about Libya for a bit-
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The lesson then taken from Libya was that terrorism could be stopped by the use of U.S.air power that inflicted pain on the authors or sponsors of terrorist acts.

This lesson was applied, using Tomahawk missiles, early in the Clinton administration.George H.W.Bush was scheduled to visit Kuwait to be honored for his rescue of that country in the Gulf War of 1991.Kuwaiti security services warned Washington that Iraqi agents were planning to assassinate the former president.President Clinton not only ordered precautions to protect Bush but asked about options for a reprisal against Iraq.The Pentagon proposed 12 targets for Tomahawk missiles.Debate in the White House and at the CIA about possible collateral damage pared the list down to three,then to one— Iraqi intelligence headquarters in central Baghdad.The attack was made at night,to minimize civilian casualties.Twenty-three missiles were fired.Other than one civilian casualty, the operation seemed completely successful: the intelligence headquarters was demolished. No further intelligence came in about terrorist acts planned by Iraq.94

The 1986 attack in Libya and the 1993 attack on Iraq symbolized for the military establishment effective use of military power for counterterrorism— limited retaliation with air power,aimed at deterrence.What remained was the hard question of how deterrence could be effective when the adversary was a loose transnational network.

[...][page 100]

When explaining the missile strike against Iraq provoked by the plot to kill President Bush,President Clinton stated:“From the first days of our Revolution,America’s security has depended on the clarity of the message:Don’t tread on us.A firm and commensurate response was essential to protect our sovereignty,to send a message to those who engage in state-sponsored terrorism,to deter further violence against our people,and to affirm the expectation of civilized behavior among nations.â€￾

4. Page 119-
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In addition,the Clinton administration was facing the possibility of major combat operations against Iraq.Since 1996,the UN inspections regime had been increasingly obstructed by Saddam Hussein.The United States was threatening to attack unless unfettered inspections could resume. The Clinton administration eventually launched a large-scale set of air strikes against Iraq, Operation Desert Fox, in December 1998. These military commitments became the context in which the Clinton administration had to consider opening another front of military engagement against a new terrorist threat based in Afghanistan.

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hough intelligence gave no clear indication of what might be afoot,some intelligence reports mentioned chemical weapons,pointing toward work at a camp in southern Afghanistan called Derunta.On November 4,1998,the U.S. Attorney’s Office for the Southern District of New York unsealed its indictment of Bin Ladin,charging him with conspiracy to attack U.S.defense installations.The indictment also charged that al Qaeda had allied itself with Sudan, Iran,and Hezbollah.The original sealed indictment had added that al Qaeda had “reached an understanding with the government of Iraq that al Qaeda would not work against that government and that on particular projects,specifically including weapons development, al Qaeda would work cooperatively with the Government of Iraq.â€￾109This passage led Clarke,who for years had read intelligence reports on Iraqi-Sudanese cooperation on chemical weapons, to speculate to Berger that a large Iraqi presence at chemical facilities in Khartoum was “probably a direct result of the Iraq–Al Qida agreement.â€￾Clarke added that VX precursor traces found near al Shifa were the “exact formula used by Iraq.â€￾110This language about al Qaeda’s “understandingâ€￾with Iraq had been dropped,however,when a superseding indictment was filed in November 1998.

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In February 1999,Allen proposed flying a U-2 mission over Afghanistan to build a baseline of intelligence outside the areas where the tribals had coverage.Clarke was nervous about such a mission because he continued to fear that Bin Ladin might leave for someplace less accessible.He wrote Deputy National Security Advisor Donald Kerrick that one reliable source reported Bin Ladin’s having met with Iraqi officials, who “may have offered him asylum.â€￾Other intelligence sources said that some Taliban leaders,though not Mullah Omar, had urged Bin Ladin to go to Iraq.If Bin Ladin actually moved to Iraq,wrote Clarke,his network would be at Saddam Hussein’s service,and it would be “virtually impossibleâ€￾to find him.Better to get Bin Ladin in Afghanistan,Clarke declared.134Berger suggested sending one U-2 flight,but Clarke opposed even this. It would require Pakistani approval, he wrote; and “Pak[istan’s] intel[ligence service] is in bed withâ€￾Bin Ladin and would warn him that the United States was getting ready for a bombing campaign:“Armed with that knowledge,old wily Usama will likely boogie to Baghdad.â€￾135Though told also by Bruce Riedel of the NSC staff that Saddam Hussein wanted Bin Ladin in Baghdad,Berger conditionally authorized a single U-2 flight.Allen meanwhile had found other ways of getting the information he wanted.So the U-2 flight never occurred.

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Atta’s Alleged Trip to Prague Mohamed Atta is known to have been in Prague on two occasions:in December 1994,when he stayed one night at a transit hotel,and in June 2000,when he was en route to the United States.On the latter occasion, he arrived by bus from Germany, on June 2, and departed for Newark the following day.69

The allegation that Atta met with an Iraqi intelligence officer in Prague in April 2001 originates from the reporting of a single source of the Czech intelligence service.Shortly after 9/11,the source reported having seen Atta meet with Ahmad Khalil Ibrahim Samir al Ani,an Iraqi diplomat,at the Iraqi Embassy in Prague on April 9,2001,at 11:00 A.M. This information was passed to CIA headquarters.

The U.S.legal attaché (“Legatâ€￾) in Prague,the representative of the FBI,met with the Czech service’s source.After the meeting,the assessment of the Legat and the Czech officers present was that they were 70 percent sure that the source was sincere and believed his own story of the meeting.Subsequently,the Czech intelligence service publicly stated that there was a 70 percent probability that the meeting between Atta and Ani had taken place.The Czech Interior Minister also made several statements to the press about his belief that the meeting had occurred, and the story was widely reported.

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10.3 “PHASE TWOâ€￾AND THE QUESTION OF IRAQ

President Bush had wondered immediately after the attack whether Saddam Hussein’s regime might have had a hand in it.Iraq had been an enemy of the United States for 11 years, and was the only place in the world where the United States was engaged in ongoing combat operations.As a former pilot, the President was struck by the apparent sophistication of the operation and some of the piloting,especially Hanjour’s high-speed dive into the Pentagon. He told us he recalled Iraqi support for Palestinian suicide terrorists as well. Speculating about other possible states that could be involved,the President told us he also thought about Iran.

Clarke has written that on the evening of September 12,President Bush told him and some of his staff to explore possible Iraqi links to 9/11.“See if Saddam did this,â€￾Clarke recalls the President telling them.“See if he’s linked in any way.â€￾60While he believed the details of Clarke’s account to be incorrect,President Bush acknowledged that he might well have spoken to Clarke at some point,asking him about Iraq.

Responding to a presidential tasking,Clarke’s office sent a memo to Rice on September 18, titled “Survey of Intelligence Information on Any Iraq Involvement in the September 11 Attacks.â€￾Rice’s chief staffer on Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad,concurred in its conclusion that only some anecdotal evidence linked Iraq to al Qaeda.The memo found no “compelling caseâ€￾that Iraq had either planned or perpetrated the attacks. It passed along a few foreign intelligence reports,including the Czech report alleging an April 2001 Prague meeting between Atta and an Iraqi intelligence officer (discussed in chapter 7) and a Polish report that personnel at the headquarters of Iraqi intelligence in Baghdad were told before September 11 to go on the streets to gauge crowd reaction to an unspecified event.Arguing that the case for links between Iraq and al Qaeda was weak,the memo pointed out that Bin Ladin resented the secularism of Saddam Hussein’s regime.Finally,the memo said,there was no confirmed reporting on Saddam cooperating with Bin Ladin on unconventional weapons.

On the afternoon of 9/11,according to contemporaneous notes,Secretary Rumsfeld instructed General Myers to obtain quickly as much information as possible.The notes indicate that he also told Myers that he was not simply interested in striking empty training sites.He thought the U.S.response should consider a wide range of options and possibilities.The secretary said his instinct was to hit Saddam Hussein at the same time—not only Bin Ladin.Secretary Rumsfeld later explained that at the time,he had been considering either one of them,or perhaps someone else,as the responsible party.

According to Rice,the issue of what,if anything,to do about Iraq was really engaged at Camp David.Briefing papers on Iraq,along with many others,were in briefing materials for the participants.Rice told us the administration was concerned that Iraq would take advantage of the 9/11 attacks.She recalled that in the first Camp David session chaired by the President,Rumsfeld asked what the administration should do about Iraq.Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz made the case for striking Iraq during “this roundâ€￾of the war on terrorism.

A Defense Department paper for the Camp David briefing book on the strategic concept for the war on terrorism specified three priority targets for initial action:al Qaeda,the Taliban,and Iraq.It argued that of the three,al Qaeda and Iraq posed a strategic threat to the United States. Iraq’s long-standing involvement in terrorism was cited,along with its interest in weapons of mass destruction.

Secretary Powell recalled that Wolfowitz—not Rumsfeld—argued that Iraq was ultimately the source of the terrorist problem and should therefore be attacked.66Powell said that Wolfowitz was not able to justify his belief that Iraq was behind 9/11.“Paul was always of the view that Iraq was a problem that had to be dealt with,â€￾Powell told us.“And he saw this as one way of using this event as a way to deal with the Iraq problem.â€￾Powell said that President Bush did not give Wolfowitz’s argument “much weight.â€￾67Though continuing to worry about Iraq in the following week, Powell said, President Bush saw Afghanistan as the priority.

President Bush told Bob Woodward that the decision not to invade Iraq was made at the morning session on September 15.Iraq was not even on the table during the September 15 afternoon session, which dealt solely with Afghanistan.69Rice said that when President Bush called her on Sunday,September 16,he said the focus would be on Afghanistan,although he still wanted plans for Iraq should the country take some action or the administration eventually determine that it had been involved in the 9/11 attacks.

At the September 17 NSC meeting,there was some further discussion of “phase twoâ€￾of the war on terrorism.71President Bush ordered the Defense Department to be ready to deal with Iraq if Baghdad acted against U.S.interests,with plans to include possibly occupying Iraqi oil fields.

Within the Pentagon,Deputy Secretary Wolfowitz continued to press the case for dealing with Iraq.Writing to Rumsfeld on September 17 in a memo headlined “Preventing More Events,â€￾he argued that if there was even a 10 percent chance that Saddam Hussein was behind the 9/11 attack,maximum priority should be placed on eliminating that threat.Wolfowitz contended that the odds were “far moreâ€￾than 1 in 10,citing Saddam’s praise for the attack,his long record of involvement in terrorism,and theories that Ramzi Yousef was an Iraqi agent and Iraq was behind the 1993 attack on the World Trade Center.73The next day,Wolfowitz renewed the argument, writing to Rumsfeld about the interest of Yousef’s co-conspirator in the 1995 Manila air plot in crashing an explosives-laden plane into CIA headquarters,and about information from a foreign government regarding Iraqis’involvement in the attempted hijacking of a Gulf Air flight.Given this background,he wondered why so little thought had been devoted to the danger of suicide pilots,seeing a “failure of imaginationâ€￾and a mind-set that dismissed possibilities.

On September 19,Rumsfeld offered several thoughts for his commanders as they worked on their contingency plans.Though he emphasized the worldwide nature of the conflict,the references to specific enemies or regions named only the Taliban,al Qaeda,and Afghanistan.75Shelton told us the administration reviewed all the Pentagon’s war plans and challenged certain assumptions underlying them,as any prudent organization or leader should do.

General Tommy Franks, the commanding general of Central Command, recalled receiving Rumsfeld’s guidance that each regional commander should assess what these plans meant for his area of responsibility.He knew he would soon be striking the Taliban and al Qaeda in Afghanistan.But,he told us,he now wondered how that action was connected to what might need to be done in Somalia,Yemen,or Iraq.

On September 20,President Bush met with British Prime Minister Tony Blair,and the two leaders discussed the global conflict ahead.When Blair asked about Iraq, the President replied that Iraq was not the immediate problem. Some members of his administration,he commented,had expressed a different view,but he was the one responsible for making the decisions.

Franks told us that he was pushing independently to do more robust planning on military responses in Iraq during the summer before 9/11—a request President Bush denied,arguing that the time was not right.(CENTCOM also began dusting off plans for a full invasion of Iraq during this period,Franks said.) The CENTCOM commander told us he renewed his appeal for further military planning to respond to Iraqi moves shortly after 9/11,both because he personally felt that Iraq and al Qaeda might be engaged in some form of collusion and because he worried that Saddam might take advantage of the attacks to move against his internal enemies in the northern or southern parts of Iraq,where the United States was flying regular missions to enforce Iraqi no-fly zones.Franks said that President Bush again turned down the request.

Having issued directives to guide his administration’s preparations for war,on Thursday,September 20,President Bush addressed the nation before a joint session of Congress.“Tonight,â€￾he said,“we are a country awakened to danger.â€￾80The President blamed al Qaeda for 9/11 and the 1998 embassy bombings and,for the first time,declared that al Qaeda was “responsible for bombing the USS Cole.â€￾81He reiterated the ultimatum that had already been conveyed privately.“The Taliban must act,and act immediately,â€￾he said.“They will hand over the terrorists,or they will share in their fate.â€￾82The President added that America’s quarrel was not with Islam:“The enemy of America is not our many Muslim friends;it is not our many Arab friends.Our enemy is a radical network of terrorists, and every government that supports them.â€￾ Other regimes faced hard choices, he pointed out:“Every nation, in every region,now has a decision to make:Either you are with us,or you are with the terrorists.â€￾

President Bush argued that the new war went beyond Bin Ladin.“Our war on terror begins with al Qaeda,but it does not end there,â€￾he said.“It will not end until every terrorist group of global reach has been found,stopped,and defeated.â€￾The President had a message for the Pentagon:“The hour is coming when America will act,and you will make us proud.â€￾He also had a message for those outside the United States.“This is civilization’s fight,â€￾he said. “We ask every nation to join us.â€￾

President Bush approved military plans to attack Afghanistan in meetings with Central Command’s General Franks and other advisers on September 21 and October 2.Originally titled “Infinite Justice,â€￾the operation’s code word was changed—to avoid the sensibilities of Muslims who associate the power of infinite justice with God alone—to the operational name still used for operations in Afghanistan:“Enduring Freedom.â€￾

The plan had four phases.

<bullet> In Phase One,the United States and its allies would move forces into the region and arrange to operate from or over neighboring countries such as Uzbekistan and Pakistan.This occurred in the weeks following 9/11,aided by overwhelming international sympathy for the United States.

<bullet> In Phase Two,air strikes and Special Operations attacks would hit key al Qaeda and Taliban targets.In an innovative joint effort,CIA and Special Operations forces would be deployed to work together with each major Afghan faction opposed to the Taliban.The Phase Two strikes and raids began on October 7.The basing arrangements contemplated for Phase One were substantially secured—after arduous effort—by the end of that month.

<bullet> In Phase Three,the United States would carry out “decisive operationsâ€￾ using all elements of national power,including ground troops,to topple the Taliban regime and eliminate al Qaeda’s sanctuary in Afghanistan.Mazar-e-Sharif,in northern Afghanistan,fell to a coalition assault by Afghan and U.S.forces on November 9.Four days later the Taliban had fled from Kabul.By early December,all major cities had fallen to the coalition.On December 22,Hamid Karzai,a Pashtun leader from Kandahar, was installed as the chairman of Afghanistan’s interim administration.Afghanistan had been liberated from the rule of the Taliban.

In December 2001,Afghan forces, with limited U.S. support, engaged al Qaeda elements in a cave complex called Tora Bora.In March 2002,the largest engagement of the war was fought,in the mountainous Shah-i-Kot area south of Gardez,against a large force of al Qaeda jihadists.The three-week battle was substantially successful,and almost all remaining al Qaeda forces took refuge in Pakistan’s equally mountainous and lightly governed frontier provinces.As of July 2004,Bin Ladin and Zawahiri are still believed to be at large.

<bullet> In Phase Four,civilian and military operations turned to the indefinite task of what the armed forces call “security and stability operations.â€￾

Within about two months of the start of combat operations,several hundred CIA operatives and Special Forces soldiers,backed by the striking power of U.S. aircraft and a much larger infrastructure of intelligence and support efforts,had combined with Afghan militias and a small number of other coalition soldiers to destroy the Taliban regime and disrupt al Qaeda.They had killed or captured about a quarter of the enemy’s known leaders.Mohammed Atef, al Qaeda’s military commander and a principal figure in the 9/11 plot,had been killed by a U.S.air strike.According to a senior CIA officer who helped devise the overall strategy, the CIA provided intelligence, experience, cash, covert action capabilities,and entrée to tribal allies.In turn,the U.S.military offered combat expertise,firepower,logistics,and communications.86With these initial victories won by the middle of 2002,the global conflict against Islamist terrorism became a different kind of struggle.

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In the twentieth century, strategists focused on the world’s great industrial heartlands.In the twenty-first,the focus is in the opposite direction,toward remote regions and failing states.The United States has had to find ways to extend its reach,straining the limits of its influence.

Every policy decision we make needs to be seen through this lens.If,for example,Iraq becomes a failed state,it will go to the top of the list of places that are breeding grounds for attacks against Americans at home.Similarly,if we are paying insufficient attention to Afghanistan,the rule of the Taliban or warlords and narcotraffickers may reemerge and its countryside could once again offer refuge to al Qaeda,or its successor.

Recommendation:The U.S.government must identify and prioritize actual or potential terrorist sanctuaries. For each, it should have a realistic strategy to keep possible terrorists insecure and on the run, using all elements of national power.We should reach out,listen to, and work with other countries that can help. [This passage is bold in the Report]

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Recommendation:Just as we did in the Cold War,we need to defend our ideals abroad vigorously.America does stand up for its values. The United States defended, and still defends, Muslims against tyrants and criminals in Somalia, Bosnia, Kosovo,Afghanistan, and Iraq.If the United States does not act aggressively to define itself in the Islamic world,the extremists will gladly do the job for us.





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« Reply #10 on: July 09, 2005, 01:17:11 AM »
Hmm, thats really interesting about the names... I never knew that there wasn't a real way of translating Arabic to English. Thanks for the info :)
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