Airsoft Arizona
General Airsoft Arizona => Site Suggestions => Topic started by: kman94 on May 24, 2012, 05:29:39 AM
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I was just thinking, since people never read the rules, why dont we make some sort of quiz or test that would require new members to read over the rules to answer the questions? That way they are almost forced to read over them 1 or 2 times.
Just an idea :)
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I like it.
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How about we just charge everybody $4 to unlock their account for posting to hopefully increase the age group and maturity levels a bit...
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$4 is not a lot of money.
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How about we just charge everybody $4 to unlock their account for posting to hopefully increase the age group and maturity levels a bit...
THIS lol
Or just asf it.
$25 to be able to post for sale threads
as an economist, I disapprove barriers to free trade, but the 1 post sellers with no clue have to go.
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Are you trying to improve the Airsoft Arizona community, or kill it?
If the board needs money, set up a donation section and I'd be happy to donate
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Are you trying to improve the Airsoft Arizona community, or kill it?
If the board needs money, set up a donation section and I'd be happy to donate
I'm confused , how would this kill AA. If anything it would bring it back to the old days. If you had to pay for something your not going to do something stupid to risk losing it are you?
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$1 per post. There will only be rich trolls on here.
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Are you trying to improve the Airsoft Arizona community, or kill it?
If the board needs money, set up a donation section and I'd be happy to donate
I'm confused , how would this kill AA. If anything it would bring it back to the old days. If you had to pay for something your not going to do something stupid to risk losing it are you?
Huh. I dunno.. That IS really tempting...
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Let's just get rid of the 12-15 year olds.
Period.
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Let's just get rid of the 12-15 year olds.
Period.
Yes. Hire a Private Investigator to personally investigate every single person who registers for a username on AA. If they're not 16+ (though I'd prefer 17+), they get black listed till they turn of age. The money to pay for the PIs would come from the 'For Sale' thread entry fees!
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Yeah... I know its impossible. But we sure get some obvious dumbshit little kid posts on here (or drunk/high adults, too).
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LOL! no.
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There used to be an age field that was required to be filled out. But of course members would just lie. You know, that thing called the honor system. Hmm, sounds like airsoft.
Used to be that BS posts got nuke'd too. However with the extent it's gotten to I'd never wish that on the moderators.
Off topic used to be stuff like hiking, off roading and other USEFUL posts.
Young members earned respect, old members never demanded it.
The progression of advancement is a long lost memory.
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How about, instead of just making people pay to post and all that, make something that either requests or if a certain amount of people press it, that it closes it? Would take more thinking it through but the concept seems alright.
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How about we just charge everybody $4 to unlock their account for posting to hopefully increase the age group and maturity levels a bit...
THIS lol
Or just asf it.
$25 to be able to post for sale threads
as an economist, I disapprove barriers to free trade, but the 1 post sellers with no clue have to go.
An option like this has been under consideration.
Are you trying to improve the Airsoft Arizona community, or kill it?
If the board needs money, set up a donation section and I'd be happy to donate
A large community isn't necessarily a good community. See ASF if you need more explanation. Considered the bottom of the barrel by all major airsoft sites but still in the top 5 traffic wise. Why? Because they pamper all the little fucktards that join the site. Oh and they dedicated their entire front page to whoring themselves out to Google.
How about, instead of just making people pay to post and all that, make something that either requests or if a certain amount of people press it, that it closes it? Would take more thinking it through but the concept seems alright.
Because that will take all of two days to start getting abused.
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Well there is a flaw to the theory that it will keep the younger kids out. If kids are stupid enough to spend money on xbox dlc's,ipod games, and even facebook games, What makes you think they wont spend 4 dollars just to post. Any agegroup is prone to make a stupid comment, so why bother just trying to keep one or two "little kids" out. I think you should have a sort of comment voting system where if it is a stupid comment, then people can vote so. And based upon that if they have enough comments voted stupid, they get there posting privelages revoked.
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What's wrong with Xbox DLC? I think a yearly subscription would be one of the better options.
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Nothing, im just stating that if people are willing to spend money on other things they like, how is one to four dollars going to change anything.
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Agreed! $4 bucks is too low a sum in order to have permission to post.
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why just not do the vote system and when it reaches a certain amount of votes it goes to priority level to a mod, they have the final say in the decision and nothing happens without final say. keeps things moderate and not able to be abused as much.
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Thats what i was emplying, just in shorter detail.
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why just not do the vote system and when it reaches a certain amount of votes it goes to priority level to a mod, they have the final say in the decision and nothing happens without final say. keeps things moderate and not able to be abused as much.
Because then you are requiring moderator action anyways and to put it bluntly, moderation isn't a democracy. Not to mention that's basically the point of the report post link.
Plus, I already get half a minimum of half a dozen emails each day of reported posts. I really have no interest in increasing the number. I'll give everyone fair warning though, at the rate things are going I don't expect quite a few people to make it through the summer without being banned.
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While some of these ideas are clever, it never actually gets to the root of the problem. And nothing will ever work to get rid of the problem until people address it for what it actually is. So take it for what it's worth. Oh, and if I appear preachy, I've fallen into this trap just as much as anyone else on this forum.
To put it quite boldly, AA has recently degraded into this pit of sarcasm, rudeness, quick judgement, petty mudslinging and has become a magnet for collusion. I use the word collusion because it's a combination of "conflict" and "illusion." The vast majority of threads start out with a simple intent, only to turn into accusatory fights between "victims" and "offenders." Well, accusing others means making ourselves out to be their victim. For example, we're not responsible for what's going on because we're helpless in the face of what they are doing... or we feel unjustly used by them--wronged, threatened, or disadvantaged. Victims are victimizers. When we make ourselves out to be victims of others, we are accusing them of victimizing us. We are making them appear the guilty ones. In reality, we are victimizing them. When others' behavior offends us, we are finding in it justification or excuse for our own wrongdoing. To us it's proof that we are right because they are wrong. Even when it disadvantages us, we find it useful. There are people who make fools of themselves in public, chronically lose their jobs, even take their lives, just to have proof that someone, possibly everyone they know and perhaps even God, has treated them unfairly. What's even more astounding is that by this blaming attitude we encourage and even provoke the behavior that we find offensive.
On the flip side, there are those who have no sense of respect and are not men in the real sense of the word. Let's face it, 99% of us on here are males, yet few are actual men. What is a man? Not some barbaric guy who beats his chest (the alpha) nor is he some pacifistic emo hoping for world peace. Where are the men that stand up for what is right? Where are the men that are loyal and unwavering? Where are the men that strive to do what is right and be more considerate of others?
The older guys need to be stepping up and encouraging the teens in a positive manner, guiding them in the right direction.
The younger guys need to be more respectful and spend a little more time grooming their character, understanding that they will be doing the same in a short amount of years for the next generation.
I want to see AA as the board people go to and feel a part of something. I want there to be a brotherhood and camraderie that others want to be a part of. But this brotherhood can't exist if we aren't willing to see others for who and what they are: Equals. Wholeness consists in self-forgetfulness. Until people begin to forget themselves and become men, nothing on this board will ever change.
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Maybe to use AA, you would have to have a rubber hose hooked up to the computer. When you act immature it takes you outside and beats your ass.
But seriously. Babying is not something I endorse. look at what it has done to the current generation!
Shall we take bets as to how soon the first "mommy/daddy defense" post shows up on AA?
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I think you guys are forgetting John Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory:
(http://daily-grind.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/greaterinternetfuckwadtheory.jpg)
Like it or not, it's just the nature of the beast. It's been well proven time and time again. People do stupid shit online that they wouldn't do in person because nobody has invented a device that lets you punch someone in the teeth over TCP/IP.
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Maybe to use AA, you would have to have a rubber hose hooked up to the computer. When you act immature it takes you outside and beats your ass.
But seriously. Babying is not something I endorse. look at what it has done to the current generation!
Shall we take bets as to how soon the first "mommy/daddy defense" post shows up on AA?
+1
.....actually, more like ++++++10.
What about separate forums? one for 17 and under, one for 18 and older? Of course, this is still subject somewhat to the honor system of inputting your age, but it's an idea. One forum for all the kiddies to post their nonsensical garbage, and the other for adults to actual discuss the sport of airsoft.
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What about younger players who actually know about what they are talking about? You cant group all younger players into "They have no idea what this sport is"...
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What about younger players who actually know about what they are talking about? You cant group all younger players into "They have no idea what this sport is"...
Us older folks' qualm with the younger side of things isn't necessarily that they don't know what they're talking about, it's more with their attitudes, frivolous posts, and resentment of the adults involved in the sport.
Also, on my previous suggestion, why not limit For Sale ads using that same rule? Your For Sale ad cannot be posted in the 'adult' section of ASAZ (where most of the market/money will be) until you've accumulated say... 30 posts or something? Granted you could technically just post useless responses until you get up the required number of posts, but it would certainly weed out most of the '1 sale post wonders' lurking the For Sale section. I'd bet most of those people wouldn't bother going through the effort just to post their ad on the adult forum.
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Why are you guys so concerned with age yet some of you dont bother to post it in your profile.....kinda hypocritical if you ask me.
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What about younger players who actually know about what they are talking about? You cant group all younger players into "They have no idea what this sport is"...
Us older folks' qualm with the younger side of things isn't necessarily that they don't know what they're talking about, it's more with their attitudes, frivolous posts, and resentment of the adults involved in the sport.
Also, on my previous suggestion, why not limit For Sale ads using that same rule? Your For Sale ad cannot be posted in the 'adult' section of ASAZ (where most of the market/money will be) until you've accumulated say... 30 posts or something? Granted you could technically just post useless responses until you get up the required number of posts, but it would certainly weed out most of the '1 sale post wonders' lurking the For Sale section. I'd bet most of those people wouldn't bother going through the effort just to post their ad on the adult forum.
You're right, they wouldn't go through the effort. Instead they'd just post a for-sale ad on the General Off-Topic Discussion [Adult] board.
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Y'know, somebody has to pay for this site to be here. The old site asked for a 20.00 Paypal donation. For that, you got access to a "AA Member Forum" (No kids in here!).
- I kinda miss that.
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Why are you guys so concerned with age yet some of you dont bother to post it in your profile.....kinda hypocritical if you ask me.
Are you ok? Do you need some tissues, maybe a hug?
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Why are you guys so concerned with age yet some of you dont bother to post it in your profile.....kinda hypocritical if you ask me.
Are you ok? Do you need some tissues, maybe a hug?
This is exactly what this whole topic has turned into being about. What was the true purpose of your reply kman94? I see in no way how that was helpful, constructive, informative, or any of the like. Wasted space, time, energy, and morale.
What did you possibly think you would accomplish by posting this? You've just made a prime example of what this topic is about, and you had the audacity to actually make the post IN THE SAME TOPIC? What is wrong with you? Be respectful, and humble. It will get you farther in life than you could ever know.
THESE KINDS OF POSTS NEED TO STOP!
Along with the "witty meme, think your funny, has nothing to do with anything" picture posts. They are getting out of hand, and I see no need for them. They don't make anybody laugh, they don't make anybody think your cool, they have NO PURPOSE.
Contrary to popular belief, and often proven on these forums, Maturity does not come with age. True, the older person, the more likely they are to be mature, but very often that is not the case. I have seen several people on these forums that have made a truly informative and intuitive response, only to be shot down, insulted, and stomped on by "Older" yet less mature peers.
I don't care how old you are, I don't care how much money you make, I don't care what kind of car you drive, I don't even care if you are the one who bought it. I don't care if your a first time poster, a once in a week/month poster, have over 9,000 posts, were banned or suspended wrongfully, or are a Moderator or Admin. This applies to all, even myself, I'm not above anybody here, You have no right to demand respect, and you have no right to be disrespectful.
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Butthurt, butthurt everywhere.
Thats the real problem. You get a bunch of 20-somethings together and expect them not to give each other shit. Everyone needs to grow thicker skin and realize airsoft is a game. A GAME.
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Butthurt, butthurt everywhere.
Thats the real problem. You get a bunch of 20-somethings together and expect them not to give each other shit. Everyone needs to grow thicker skin and realize airsoft is a game. A GAME.
I agree that people need to be less defensive, and insulted, or "grow thicker skin" as you put it. Babying people solves nothing. But I disagree that it's the real underlying problem on these forums.
Also, when I mentioned the $4 thing at the beginning of this topic, I didn't mean to start an entire 3 page off-topic discussion, and this thread should probably be split.
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Butthurt, butthurt everywhere.
Thats the real problem. You get a bunch of 20-somethings together and expect them not to give each other shit. Everyone needs to grow thicker skin and realize airsoft is a game. A GAME.
I agree that people need to be less defensive, and insulted, or "grow thicker skin" as you put it. Babying people solves nothing. But I disagree that it's the real underlying problem on these forums.
The problem I'm noticing is that Team Phantom decided sometime earlier this week that they're the pinnacle of manliness and has gone on some kind of crusade to get all the girly-men and sissy-boys on this site to pull themselves up by their bootstraps, chop off an extremity just for the experience, and learn how to be A Real Man. So you guys go shave your kevlar beards with chainsaws and bear-knuckle box grizzlies for fun, I'm going to use a razor like a normal human being and watch some fuckin' television. Frankly, men as manly as you all seem to think you are shouldn't whine so loud and so often.
But the real, underlying problem here is that this is the internet, and no matter how hard you try you can't punch someone in the face through the internet, so people say stupid shit with reckless abandon. Case in point: you think I would have said that last paragraph to your face? Fuck no, chances are I would have lost a tooth for my troubles. And the problem with the problem is that you can't rightly take an internet forum off the internet. So the problem is simply the nature of the beast, and completely unavoidable.
And on a personal note, I DO laugh at a good portion of the meme responses, if they're well-placed and relevant, and I know for damn sure I'm not the only one. If this place were straight, dry discussion, it'd be boring as hell. A bit of drama and stupidity spice the pot quite nicely.
Finally, I apologize for opening this can of worms, but I feel it had to be said.
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Well, let the Mods get rid of the kids on here, and on the fields, 18+ ONLY. Let the kids go play at that great, circle-jerk, Romper Room clusterfuck known as Vanguard.
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Actually fresnel you are a laughing stock.
We are sick and tired of these boards being run down by pubescent little bitches such as yourself and started to speak up. What it boils down to still is that you and others like you are the root cause of these issues.
Keep playing at vanguard thinking it's the pinnacle of Airsoft.
I guess that is it. Since Vanguard we have got an influx of people. .. hmm this makes sense.
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So what you're saying is that we should all just sit back and let these boards do their thing without any sort of intervention; that the internet is some anarchistic entity where any form of morals and values are nonexistent?
Tolerance != Acceptance
We have every right to voice our displeasure with the way things are going just as much as the next guy. Going on some sort of personal vendetta against TPA because some of us (3 out of 11) posted in threads this week is childish and ignorant.
You missed my point about being a man completely. It has nothing to do with "kevlar beards" and "bear boxing" as you so decided to put it. It has everything to do with reactionary and incindiary comments, demoralization of character and irresponsible behavior.
You seem to find it inexpedient to argue about whether or not correcting this behavior is beneficial or harmful. What matters is merely that "this is the way things are." In that case, it would surely make political sense to just let things be on AA. Maybe so, but would it make any moral sense?
Case in point? Take a look at almost every reply after my post last night.
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Actually fresnel you are a laughing stock.
We are sick and tired of these boards being run down by pubescent little bitches such as yourself and started to speak up. What it boils down to still is that you and others like you are the root cause of these issues.
Keep playing at vanguard thinking it's the pinnacle of Airsoft.
I guess that is it. Since Vanguard we have got an influx of people. .. hmm this makes sense.
There's two kind of men: talkers and doers. Talkers bicker back and forth, doers go out and get shit done. If you're as big a man as you think you are, go out and make your own goddamn forum where you can be a moderator and run your own quality control. Or are you a sissy girly-man of a talker who's going to sit here and bicker with me until one or both of us gets banned? You three (admittedly, yes, three. I was unaware you had so many members, apologies to the other eight) are the only ones to have voiced any sort of concern on this subject, and as of earlier this week it has been quite loud and, frankly, quite annoying.
Also, nice assumptions. Contrary to the axiom though, they're really only making an ass out of you here. You know literally nothing about me except what information I have put out in public (which may or may not be true, there's really no way to be certain), and yet you've already gathered that I am both a teenager/pre-teen, play at Vanguard, and am "the root of the issue", whatever this issue may be. So have fun with convincing yourself that what you think you know is true.
Beyond this I won't continue, however. I'm just getting rather annoyed by the sweeping generalizations of the entire population of this website below the age of majority, and of everyone who isn't TPA in general. I may not be a minor, but to reference Martin Niemöller, someone has to stand up for the trade unionists.
EDIT: Oh, and Shadow... in your last sentence, what thread are you referring to, exactly?
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Yeah yeah....whatever, flame wars.
Ever since Vanguard opened, Mr & Ms Yuppiepuppie have let little Brogdon Dakota Yuppiepuppie the III play there. From age 10 until now, having just turned twelve, the entitled young scion thinks he must now post on AA, and of course be accepted by all his "bro's" here.
Mommy takes him and his little friends out to Hatfield and such and here we all are.
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KEEP GOING!!!!...I just got done cooking popcorn
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What this thread has turned into:
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What's anything have to do with TPA? Is the concept of like minded people being on the same team not logical?
Come on Fresnel, Doers or talkers? Doers as in hosting free games, promoting the sport and trying to curb trespassing and bad examples of the hobby? Hey, we have our own site. However AA is a collective of teams and players, that's why I'm on here.
Honestly, it would be cool to meet you at a game. You like this game just as I do. However see where I'm coming from.
I've seen hundred of users sign up here, spew hate and worthless advise and insight and then vanish of the face of the earth because they find a new hobby, in the matter of a few months. All that posting for nothing and nothing to add to our community.
We were on these boards before any of us were on the team. Maybe we just happen to want to support a forum that at one time provided camaraderie, useful information and access to a community that promoted our hobby.
Making this a pay site will do nothing in curbing the worthless posts, in fact it will make people feel privileged because they "paid" to do it. The site also used to require so many posts before being able start a new one, that just encouraged more useless posting.
Now it just seems that every other new topic, that's not a classified, is some useless conglomeration of internet banter.
I've played with guys for 5-6 years and you know what? If I wanted to know what band they listen too I'd ask in person.
There is no reason for posts like "fav pony" or "what does your dad drive" other than starting that post because someone has nothing useful to post about airsoft or anything related. Then the responses are .gif's, that SOMEONE ELSE made, to try to be witty.
That's my issue with the current state of AA.
I personally have no issues with age in any form, however it has proven that maturity comes with the territory with little exception.
That still has never deterred me from passing on advise to those I feel deserve it. I encourage anyone willing to vouch or sponsor an underage player. I play 18+ games for a reason, mostly for my own protection. Yet I've seen guys "older" than me acting like asses at national events none the less. However I will never fire at anyone who is younger than probably 16. Just won't do it. That has to do with the mental reasoning ability of someone in that age group, not maturity.
The bases of my whole argument is, yes the internet is what it is but the fact is this is an AIRSOFT forum. It should get back to being an AIRSOFT forum. There's plenty of other sites out there to cater to all the other crap that people are bringing here.
Make sense?
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One thing to remember about TPA is that some of thier guys were playing with the owner of this site when you were still buying springers at walmart.
Back on topic, I do agree that there should be some sort of membership fee, not only to cut down on the number of useless posts but to help the man who pays to keep this site up and running. Do you see any Ad's on this website? There arent any anymore, and that means that the owner is paying out of pocket to host this forum. And I know that he doesnt spend that money so that you can ramble on about ponies, dubstep and your testosterone levels.
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Being 14, with all these negative comments towards my age group, I felt as though i need to voice my opinion. Age doesn't matter as far as maturity goes. I knew plenty of people in the 8th grade that I would be scared of seeing in High School as far as maturity levels are concerned. But, that is not to say I didn't see people who are going way above and beyond what thier current maturity was supposed to be (as determined by adults). There are plenty of adults that aren't as mature as some kids are. Just kicking all kids off or making us pay a price to post would take care of some of the trolls and immaturity, but I wouldn't want to be kicked off just because of something someone in my age group did. Let me try and make a comparasion here: would you want to be fired from your job just because one person in your office got himself fired. I wouldn't think so. Is this the solution you guys want, making a certain age group unwelcome in a sport because of a few of that group. I personally don't like the idea of seperate fourms for age groups because what happens when us kids makes a game at the same field the adults do? Do we get kicked off that field because you think we aren't as mature as you. I don't go to vanguard because I don't trust thier bb's in my gun. I don't want it to break, because I saved up money and bought it. Sure I didn't go to a job to make money, but my parents pay me for my grades, and that is basicly my paycheck. I have to save for a while to get what I want. Just as do all the adults. I am going to stop by saying banning an age group is not a valid option. Find a point system or something similar. If someone gets more than 10 or so negative votes, they get banned for a short time. 10 more votes they get banned for longer. 10 more votes after second ban is a ban for life. It would take care of trolls without just banning someone because you think they are guilty. Thanks for reading my opinion.
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What makes you think you're "entitled" to play with adults?
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Find a point system or something similar. If someone gets more than 10 or so negative votes, they get banned for a short time. 10 more votes they get banned for longer. 10 more votes after second ban is a ban for life. It would take care of trolls without just banning someone because you think they are guilty. Thanks for reading my opinion.
I've always found myself thinking we should have some sort of an upvote/downvote system on comments. Even if it doesn't automatically lead to anything, just the fact that one user racked up -50 or +1200 votes tells you how seriously you should take him.
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got schooled, I withdraw my comment.
Damn highschool govt teacher...
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What makes you think you're "entitled" to play with adults?
I don't think I'm entitled to play with you or other adults, but I think I should at least be givin an oppurtunity to earn adults respect.
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What makes you think you're "entitled" to play with adults?
He technically doesnt even have the right to free speech
;D
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If it applies to illegal aliens and foreigners on vacation, it applies to American citizens. And you're an American citizen at birth. I really don't even know how this misconception got started...
Also, I'm seeing the dark clouds of an age warfare shitstorm on the horizon, and I am NOT liking what's about to happen to this little ship of ours if we try to sail right through the middle of it.
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Simple truth, Meagan. You kids are a liability. Your parents can sue us adults if you get hurt.
I like you, and I hope to see you out with us in your adult years. In the meantime, go play with your own age group. I worked hard for what I own, and I don't intend to see it taken fighting some asshole parent's lawsuit.
I'm all for promoting 18+ games. Time to get real about it.
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Age warfare? The kids arent even allowed to buy firearms, how hard can it be.
To be honest though, people under 18 arent even allowed to purchase an airsoft gun. That being said they shouldnt have had reason to sign up for this forum to begin with. The first time I saw this forum I was 15, saw that the games were 18+ and didnt look at this site again till 3 years later, so as you can imagine I have little sympathy for kids that want to airsoft with adults.
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Age warfare? The kids arent even allowed to buy firearms, how hard can it be.
.........no words, just facepalms all around.
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Age warfare? The kids arent even allowed to buy firearms, how hard can it be.
.........no words, just facepalms all around.
Because? Your 16 I know you can understand sarcasm
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I try to make a positive influence on the younger guys when it comes to airsoft. However, I'm with Chip on playing with them.
It is not worth a PERSONAL liability loss because I want to be a nice guy and let minors join in.
My outlook is 18+ to buy, 18+ to play. Maybe get that same guardian who bought your AEG to bring you to an adult game?
Fair enough with me.
That's not the issue guys, it's the BS that's popping up on here. It's not all young kids mind you, but that happens to be where it's coming from.
So they get targeted first. This site is run by adults and personally I wouldn't blame them if them outright banned anyone under 18 completely.
Again using the argument of 18+ to buy, 18+ to play. I really like AA but I am just tired of seeing it full of BS lately.
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There's a sticky in General Airsoft Discussion titled Legality Of Minors Playing Airsoft.
It was started in 2007 by a guy who worked for a law firm. Its just as true today.
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Liabity or not, there should still be kid friendly games. Obviously there will always be 18+ games, and I am completely ok with them. I really just would still like to play airsoft with older players, be it not at hatfield or other places without a waiver.
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Maybe its time to have 17 and under?
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Age warfare? The kids arent even allowed to buy firearms, how hard can it be.
To be honest though, people under 18 arent even allowed to purchase an airsoft gun. That being said they shouldnt have had reason to sign up for this forum to begin with. The first time I saw this forum I was 15, saw that the games were 18+ and didnt look at this site again till 3 years later, so as you can imagine I have little sympathy for kids that want to airsoft with adults.
Legaly, a minor cannot purchase an airsoft, paintball, or other gun. However, that minors legal gaurdian can purchace the minor an airsoft gun, even though they are under 18. Even their siblings cannot purchace airsoft guns for the minor if the siblings are 18+. That is the legal side. So, in the end, minors cannot purchase an airsoft gun, so all of your arguments are valid. But, if the parents approve, they hopefully do relize that thier children are in potential danger. If they are hurt, it is technically the parents fault and not the shooter, because the shooter is doing what he loves to do and the parents are too ignorant to think that they are putting their kids in danger if they are not wearing the correct safety gear like goggles or eye protection and mouth gaurds.
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Okay, the flaw in that is once the suit papers start flying, anyone with money, real property, or insurance becomes a defendant.
Real World outcome, I've seen it happen.
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What makes you think you're "entitled" to play with adults?
because i got two Bs and one C on my report card. Lol :P
I used to support minors on the forum but now after being here for a little while I disapprove of most of them because of the way some act and report to their mother after they fell and got a boo boo. The thing ive noticed is that alot of kids play for the the thrill and call of duty like amazingness. Not much mil sim. And i notice they come unaware of any gun controll. Finger off the trigger, dont look down the barrel, just dont do stupid stuff. Its just common sence they lack. But hey, there alot of adults who lack alot of common sense..
Ya know, after reading this for a little while. I like the idea of a paid account. I heard from chip it was really good back then. But heres my suggestion make it impossible to sighn up without entering a date of birth. Allow any age so it allows kids to use there real birthdate. If they sighn up under the age of 18+ then they dont get allowed certian privilages. Like posting a topic, posting pictures, ect..shure they can always lie about age but itll help the kids who put it in. It just helps.
But i really like the idea of a paid account gets you into a private forum. Makes it harder for kids to spend money and get theyre parents to use theyre paypal for them..
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What makes you think you're "entitled" to play with adults?
because i got two Bs and one C on my report card. Lol :P
I used to support minors on the forum but now after being here for a little while I disapprove of most of them because of the way some act and report to their mother after they fell and got a boo boo. The thing ive noticed is that alot of kids play for the the thrill and call of duty like amazingness. Not much mil sim. And i notice they come unaware of any gun controll. Finger off the trigger, dont look down the barrel, just dont do stupid stuff. Its just common sence they lack. But hey, there alot of adults who lack alot of common sense..
Ya know, after reading this for a little while. I like the idea of a paid account. I heard from chip it was really good back then. But heres my suggestion make it impossible to sighn up without entering a date of birth. Allow any age so it allows kids to use there real birthdate. If they sighn up under the age of 18+ then they dont get allowed certian privilages. Like posting a topic, posting pictures, ect..shure they can always lie about age but itll help the kids who put it in. It just helps.
But i really like the idea of a paid account gets you into a private forum. Makes it harder for kids to spend money and get theyre parents to use theyre paypal for them..
Im 14 and i play because i would like to join the military after taking ROTC in college. Im very interested in guns and i dont complain, but your point is valid that there is a vast majority of 13-16 year old "Codsofters".
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What makes you think you're "entitled" to play with adults?
because i got two Bs and one C on my report card. Lol :P
I used to support minors on the forum but now after being here for a little while I disapprove of most of them because of the way some act and report to their mother after they fell and got a boo boo. The thing ive noticed is that alot of kids play for the the thrill and call of duty like amazingness. Not much mil sim. And i notice they come unaware of any gun controll. Finger off the trigger, dont look down the barrel, just dont do stupid stuff. Its just common sence they lack. But hey, there alot of adults who lack alot of common sense..
Ya know, after reading this for a little while. I like the idea of a paid account. I heard from chip it was really good back then. But heres my suggestion make it impossible to sighn up without entering a date of birth. Allow any age so it allows kids to use there real birthdate. If they sighn up under the age of 18+ then they dont get allowed certian privilages. Like posting a topic, posting pictures, ect..shure they can always lie about age but itll help the kids who put it in. It just helps.
But i really like the idea of a paid account gets you into a private forum. Makes it harder for kids to spend money and get theyre parents to use theyre paypal for them..
Im 14 and i play because i would like to join the military after taking ROTC in college. Im very interested in guns and i dont complain, but your point is valid that there is a vast majority of 13-16 year old "Codsofters".
I beg to differ On that age.
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And i notice they come unaware of any gun controll. Finger off the trigger, dont look down the barrel, just dont do stupid stuff. Its just common sence they lack. But hey, there alot of adults who lack alot of common sense..
This is a valid point. Kids with no proper firearm experience have no idea how to safely handle an airsoft gun. While it's not real and doesn't pose the same level of danger when improperly handled, one mistake can still lead to disaster, such as a missing eye, imbedded BB, chipped tooth, etc. I can't even begin to count the number of times I've heard the refs at any field (Figthertown, Fort Adobe, and Vanguard) tell the kids, "No firing in the staging area!" or "No blindfiring!" or the WAY too common "KEEP YOUR EYE PROTECTION ON!"
I'll be it, that is more of a problem to be solved at the fields themselves, rather than on the forums. Maybe anyone under 18 must undergo a basic 1 minute safety tutorial by one of the refs before entering the game?
More on topic, requiring the inputting of your age in order to create an account still wouldn't a) Do anything about the people who already have accounts, and b) Stop kids from simply lying about their ages on their profiles.
To the minors who don't support the 18+ only games; that's just the nature of the sport. I suffered through it, many others suffered through it, and you must suffer through it as well. If anything, it will give you that much of a greater appreciation for them when you finally get to that point.
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I am 13 and i have been through hunter/shooting ed classes and am a registered hunter in AZ and New Mexico, and i belive that i am safe around guns including airsoft, paintball, pellet, etc.... I know that some kids younger than me and maybe even my age are not that smart and mature, bu there is a handful of them (including me in my opinion) that arent stupid. Just cause there are people who are doesnt mean all of us should be banned.
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I am 13 and i have been through hunter/shooting ed classes and am a registered hunter in AZ and New Mexico, and i belive that i am safe around guns including airsoft, paintball, pellet, etc.... I know that some kids younger than me and maybe even my age are not that smart and mature, bu there is a handful of them (including me in my opinion) that arent stupid. Just cause there are people who are doesnt mean all of us should be banned.
You would be the rare exception of your age group as far as your experience with firearms, but I am glad to hear that you have some.
You forgot to mention kids older than you as well, however.
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I am 13 and i have been through hunter/shooting ed classes and am a registered hunter in AZ and New Mexico, and i belive that i am safe around guns including airsoft, paintball, pellet, etc.... I know that some kids younger than me and maybe even my age are not that smart and mature, bu there is a handful of them (including me in my opinion) that arent stupid. Just cause there are people who are doesnt mean all of us should be banned.
Same, with some exceptions. My dad raised me to have common sense around firearms in all catagories, although i dont have a hunters liscence or anything super fancy.
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The moment I bought my first airsoft gun, my dad sat me down and taugt me gun saftey. He holds several state titles from shooting compitions, ect., so I make sure to follow all the rules he has set in place when it comes to any type gun, be it paintball, airsoft, or real. I act as mature as I can about the sport, because I am not about to be the one who blows it for everybody. Its just a few simple lines on paper between having an eye, or putting it out (or someone elses for that matter). Rare exceptions are we?
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The moment I bought my first airsoft gun, my dad sat me down and taugt me gun saftey. He holds several state titles from shooting compitions, ect., so I make sure to follow all the rules he has set in place when it comes to any type gun, be it paintball, airsoft, or real. I act as mature as I can about the sport, because I am not about to be the one who blows it for everybody. Its just a few simple lines on paper between having an eye, or putting it out (or someone elses for that matter). Rare exceptions are we?
Everyone knows that on your eighteenth birthday, your pituitary begins secreting a hormone that makes you respectful, responsible, and most importantly, incapable of suing someone else for being injured during an airsoft game. It also has the side effects of making cigarettes not cause cancer and making you incapable of causing a car crash.
I thought everyone knew this, honestly.
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Everyone knows that on your eighteenth birthday, your pituitary begins secreting a hormone that makes you respectful, responsible, and most importantly, incapable of suing someone else for being injured during an airsoft game. It also has the side effects of making cigarettes not cause cancer and making you incapable of causing a car crash.
I thought everyone knew this, honestly.
Wow it all makes sense now.
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if u want to charge people go ahead but if u are going to charge per post at least make it a donation to ron and his family. they need it more than we need money for our used guns and gear. he and his familys losing their business and going thru kemo and stress from hospital bills and and finances to keep himself in good health and to pull thru this sucessfully. pay it foward and give the money to someone in need or donate it to an animal sheltar. they need it more than you do, and your new vest, or AEG that u just have to have will still be there, dont be selfish and do some good.
You are about a month late.
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I have a better Idea. Donate it to our schools, so they can teach this upcoming generation some grammar and spelling.
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I think perspective can easily resolve this issue, but getting both sides to see the other side's point of view is what seems to be the problem here. A little bit of understanding could probably be given by the older users, but I think I share their sentiments with the phrase, "Give an inch and take a mile". A lot of the older users don't wake up in the morning and think to themselves, "Who's coffee should I shit in today?", but their tolerance for what seems to be the standard for what younger posters deem acceptable is understandably low. It wasn't something that happened overnight, we didn't all just gather at 4 Peaks one night in hooded robes decide to just turn the crotchety old man switch on and just piss all over your corn flakes. This current crop of new, young players certainly isn't the first and won't be the last group that this board has to deal with. The problem as I see it, is that a lot of the newer players don't seem to be learning the norms as it is practiced by the older AA community at large. Don't get me wrong, this isn't to say that there is an expectation that all new players will learn and integrate into the community (regardless of age), but it looks to me that we are getting lower and lower numbers of new players who seem to ingratiate themselves with the currently established AA community. The concern here is that the new generation is "doing it wrong" and that they will pass this on to other new players if no one speaks up about it. Granted, how an older generation AAer speaks up about it could be a little more diplomatic, but again experience has shown that diplomacy will be met with either apathy or outright hostility. It is an uphill battle for you new guys, because you also have to deal with all the bad experiences from the earlier groups of new people that have burned into the memories of the older guys. Initiative should be taken on both sides to engage in more civil discourse, but as it stands, you new guys definitely do have to step up, it is not fair that you are being lumped in with past groups of new guys, but that is just the way it is. Don't act like you're rocking an extra chromosome all the time and things will get better.
On a side note about the "Grammar Nazi" remarks, it is true that it can be seen as a sign of OCD when someone nitpicks a post for even minor grammatical infraction, but the perception here is that if you don't take the time to review your post before you hit the post button, then you probably didn't put much thought into your post to begin with. Why should we read something that only took you the time it takes to type it up on your smartphone and post it? I wasn't timing how long it took me to make this post, but I've read it over several times before hitting post. This all goes back to xaviermace's comment about not treating this message board as a real time chat room, you are not under the gun whenever you post here, so stop treating it like that.
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That was very well put deathbydanish....
Since I've been on a couple of other forums including a car forum for my car, SHOforum.com, I can say from experience that AA is much more tolerant of n00bs and plain stupidity than SHOforum. The admins on SHOforum are very banhappy, and kids either smart up, get banned, or get ridiculed off of the forum. This leads to a very mature environment, although with it being an auto forum there aren't going to be many kids under 16....
Before I joined up on AA, or even SHOforum for that matter, I spent hours just reading stickied posts or using the search engine to get a feel of the forum and identify the admins of the forum as well as the guys who knew what they were talking about. I initially only made an account to RSVP for stuff, because most of the information I need can be found with a quick search.
I wonder if part of the reason many of the younger kids treat the forum as a chat site is because of social media sites like Facebook. I'm still relatively young at 20, but I didn't have a Facebook til 17, and FB is not a forum. And this forum is not Facebook.
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Quote from Fresnel [/quote] Everyone knows that on your eighteenth birthday, your pituitary begins secreting a hormone that makes you respectful, responsible, and most importantly, incapable of suing someone else for being injured during an airsoft game. It also has the side effects of making cigarettes not cause cancer and making you incapable of causing a car crash.I thought everyone knew this, honestly.
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For sure, for sure :)
Just for S**ts and Giggles review Google 'Maturation of the Prefrontal Cortex', may explain some things related to several things that go on here, and even in the field with some Airsofters, I do expect this will surprise some of the forum members...
Just the medical $.02
Also as I belong to forums that have members around the world it seems that when people are not able to play with their toys outside, cabin fever sets in and sometimes attitudes tend to set in with the boredom of cabin fever...
I also note that those forums that one pays to belong to are much more positive and less sniping, makes it really nice, IMHO :)
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+1 on the cabin fever for sure. I know I'm going crazy with my gear sitting on a shelf collecting dust. Can't wait for next weekend's Fightertown game.....