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« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2004, 01:53:43 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by USMC-Greg</i>
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<br />Maybe this will shed some light on the topic.  I recently found this video on a website given to me by a friend of mine.  Keep in mind this page is pro-humanitarian and the person who edited the video edits out [writhes on the ground] "lying next to his gun" just to make his case that much stronger but nonetheless the soldiers clearly broke the law.  I'm not saying I wouldn't have done the same thing, but at some point you have to draw the line.

WARNING:  SEMI-GRAPHIC  http://www.informationclearinghouse.inf ... le5365.htm
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WTF!?! [:(!]

The editing was so horribly obvious..

If that was right off CNN, then why does the top of the page read "NEWS YOU WONT FIND ON CNN." Funny how some people can be so far left that they think CNN is part of "The Right-Wing Consipiracy." I mean.. It's CNN for god's sakes! CNN!
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I wrote a 42-page term paper for a Humanities class regarding media bias in the Middle East Conflict (Israle, Palestine).  CNN is bad, but there are much worse.  And I'm not talking about painfully obvious sources like the one above, I mean mainstream media, like NPR, CNN, MSNBC, and surprise... The New York Times.  Sometimes it's subtle, but sometimes it turns my stomach.  The Right has something to do with it too, but being a Right Winger, it doesn't bother me AS BAD as some of the liberal banter.  More times than not, the left takes the side of utterly bashing the right, and even the left itself.  It sometimes is so bad it's humorous!  

Bleeding hearts are just funny creatures, I have come to accept that.

EDIT:  Make that PREDICTABLE creatures...
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« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2004, 09:03:38 AM »
the thing to remember is that while most reporters and journalists are rather liberal, the managers and editors are overwhelmingly conservative.  so when you see a liberal bend, it tends to be subtle becuase the reporters are trying to get it past the conservatives in charge.  (bumpersticker that i was going to put on my car once i got one, and couldt find where id put it when i did, the media is only as liberal as the conservatives that own it).  hosetly, cnn is rather middle of the road.  msnbc slightly left, and npr was rather left until about 9 months ago.  but fox (or, as some like to call it, faux) is so far right its not funny.  yeah, there are biases in the media that shouldnt be there, but cmon, you have only to look at the media coverage of the 2000 election to erase any thoughts of a liberal bias throughout the media.

back somewhat ON topic (sorry)  yeah, i flipped that.  the apache has a limited range of ammo, since the x113 also runs through the x173 cannons, giving the warthog a larger amount of options.  unless theyve started making du for the x113 system (all web searches say nay)  those were propbaly the dual purpose explosive.  

and something i meant to add on the firing on the wounded man bit, through the wonderful zoom lense of the camera, its pretty obvious hes not going to fire.  not that teh soldier can see that, or the camerman share that info...
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« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2004, 09:05:26 AM »
The Right has something to do with it too, but being a Right Winger, it doesn't bother me AS BAD as some of the liberal banter. More times than not, the left takes the side of utterly bashing the right, and even the left itself. It sometimes is so bad it's humorous
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ever watch fox or listen to rush?  it goes both ways.  i know more than a few liberals who listen to rush for entertainment value.  same with hannity and colmes
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« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2004, 12:02:26 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by leakingpen</i>
<br />The Right has something to do with it too, but being a Right Winger, it doesn't bother me AS BAD as some of the liberal banter. More times than not, the left takes the side of utterly bashing the right, and even the left itself. It sometimes is so bad it's humorous
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ever watch fox or listen to rush?  it goes both ways.  i know more than a few liberals who listen to rush for entertainment value.  same with hannity and colmes


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Yeah, but like I said, the Right wing banter doesn't bother me.  Not to say that the lefty stuff does, it's just more "interesting" to watch.  Hannity and Colmes, Joe Scarborough, and all the rest.  Frankly, I am surprised that these4 guys can get away with some of this stuff.  But I would be a fool to try and tell you I didn't love every bit!
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« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2004, 12:36:47 PM »
have you read franken's latest?  its a rather moderate look at the media.  i expected it to be a lot more left leaning than it is.  gives some interesting perspectives into the media.
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« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2004, 02:10:31 PM »
told my mother about this vid and sadly she made reference to it sounding like a video game - that pissed me off....
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« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2004, 02:30:00 PM »
well, it does.  the thought of death and killing is an unreal thought to most people.  Back in the 40's, people would refer to the tales of the war as sounding like a pulp book.  Or a comic book.  Look at the reaction of people who visit a slaughterhouse.  Death is anathema to most of todays society.  The ability to speak of death and KILLING! in normal reasoned tones seems strange and unreal to most people.
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« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2004, 08:35:29 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by leakingpen</i>
<br />well, it does.  the thought of death and killing is an unreal thought to most people.  Back in the 40's, people would refer to the tales of the war as sounding like a pulp book.  Or a comic book.  Look at the reaction of people who visit a slaughterhouse.  Death is anathema to most of todays society.  The ability to speak of death and KILLING! in normal reasoned tones seems strange and unreal to most people.

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I have logged hunreds if not htousands of hours over the years playing halo, ghost recon, rainbow six, splinter cell, soldier of fortune etc etc ... I know own a shotgun - yeah i know childs play to most of all the collections i see posted in here but a real steel none the less!

I have similar backgrounds to the steroetypes that shoot the hell out of ours schools but id be damned before i considereddoing such... and in no way have i ever corelated the games i play to real life.....  those who do are either already sick and twisted beyond help or never played one themself.....
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« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2004, 11:55:27 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by CADD</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by leakingpen</i>
<br />well, it does.  the thought of death and killing is an unreal thought to most people.  Back in the 40's, people would refer to the tales of the war as sounding like a pulp book.  Or a comic book.  Look at the reaction of people who visit a slaughterhouse.  Death is anathema to most of todays society.  The ability to speak of death and KILLING! in normal reasoned tones seems strange and unreal to most people.

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I have logged hunreds if not htousands of hours over the years playing halo, ghost recon, rainbow six, splinter cell, soldier of fortune etc etc ... I know own a shotgun - yeah i know childs play to most of all the collections i see posted in here but a real steel none the less!

I have similar backgrounds to the steroetypes that shoot the hell out of ours schools but id be damned before i considereddoing such... and in no way have i ever corelated the games i play to real life.....  those who do are either already sick and twisted beyond help or never played one themself.....


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I understand where you are coming from.  I think he reference howver, was due to the video screen, and the voice chatter.  Some people just don't get it, and that's fine.  I have heard alot of servicemembers relate combat to a video game.  Wire-guided missiles, radar screens, UAVs, you name it.  When looking through an electronic scope at a tank downrange, it plays alot like the games of today.  More times than not, references such as the one you describe are due to the level of violence in video games.  That's my understanding anyway.
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« Reply #39 on: January 19, 2004, 09:24:19 AM »
what i mean is that when you listen to the pilots talk, they are talking about death and killing in a matter of fact way.  that seems unreal to most people.
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« Reply #40 on: January 19, 2004, 09:32:59 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by leakingpen</i>
<br />what i mean is that when you listen to the pilots talk, they are talking about death and killing in a matter of fact way.  that seems unreal to most people.
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Boy, you "lefties" [;)] are tough to please...  you didn't like the video with the soldier shooting the wounded Iraqi soldier reaching for his gun, and then laughing in the background (presumably) and now you don't like it done in a "matter of fact" manner.  How do you want it referred to?
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« Reply #41 on: January 19, 2004, 11:28:20 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by leakingpen</i>
<br />what i mean is that when you listen to the pilots talk, they are talking about death and killing in a matter of fact way.  that seems unreal to most people.
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Um.. They are professionals. As Paco said- how should they talk about it? Not only that, but remember that they are talking to eachother over the plane's vox intercom. Therefore they have to speak clearly.
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« Reply #42 on: January 19, 2004, 12:37:48 PM »
leakingpen. There is not much we can do about those terrorists dieing anyways. They are already dead! If you love them so much, feel free to join them. Also, when someone is killed, there is no nice or mean way to do it. You either kill someone or you dont. Simple as that. If you want our guys and gals in Afghanistan and Iraq to be blasted apart, tell them that. I am sure they would love to hear. And you know the only reason you are allowed to say what you think? Is because you live in America. Land of the free. Although sometimes it doesnt seem like it, you really can do pretty much whatever you want.
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« Reply #43 on: January 19, 2004, 09:37:13 PM »
I say we change his name from "leakingpen" to "bleedingheart"!  That would clear things up a bit.
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