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Gear Box re-assembly
« on: November 07, 2005, 09:38:48 PM »
In my undending journey to figure out how the **** to work on my guns, I have taken apart a gear box.....
That wasn't the hard part, getting it back together now is.
I can't seem to get all the parts to line back up when I'm putting the two sides back together.

If it isn't the trigger, it's something else...

Anyway, wondering if anyone had some tips for the re assembly?
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« Reply #1 on: November 07, 2005, 10:06:04 PM »
Dental picks... they help move stuff around when closing it up.

A large set of hex wrenchs and screw drivers.

Then just, practice and experiance.
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« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2005, 10:13:51 PM »
got the tools to assemble and dis assemble...it's how I got into this mess in the first place :(

But the dental picks, good call...much smaller and easier to push things around as I'm closing the case up.  I had been using a small (but large compared to pick) screwdriver to try before.

I'll go give it another shot, I think I'm over my urge to throw it in the trash and buy a new one :)
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« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2005, 12:10:30 PM »
Another thing you may want to try is to take the spring out and try to put it together without it in - just to give you some practice and a better idea of what might be slipping out of place and giving you a hard time.  The dental picks that Dust mentioned will help a lot too.
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Re: Gear Box re-assembly
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2005, 12:39:55 PM »
Quote from: "RangerBob"
In my undending journey to figure out how the **** to work on my guns, I have taken apart a gear box.....
That wasn't the hard part, getting it back together now is.
I can't seem to get all the parts to line back up when I'm putting the two sides back together.

If it isn't the trigger, it's something else...

Anyway, wondering if anyone had some tips for the re assembly?


  I'd recommend a lot of British perseverance.  ;)

  Seriously.  Someone mentioned dental picks, which do come in extremely handy.  Various allen's and screwdrivers and also good.  Then it's just a matter of taking it apart and putting it back together enough to get the hang of it.
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« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2005, 02:24:35 PM »
Sometimes it helps to have an extra hand. Check this guide out at AirsoftPlayers.com:
http://www.airsoftplayers.com/mechbox/tutorial.asp

Read the last couple of paragraphs for putting the mechbox back together.
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« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2005, 04:15:52 PM »
Very helpful link Hawk, thanks much.
As far as British perseverance...I've Irish perseverance, no I didnt fire bomb anything but these friggin cats are going to die one day...
An annoying bit of metal thats kicking my ass I can deal with, a cat jumping onto afore mentioned annoying bit of metal....Both got thrown.
Ah well, only missing one thing...little spring on the safety majig.
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« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2005, 05:01:18 PM »
What you need is an extra pair of hands, at least for the first few times that you put the gun back together. The things that get in my way most of the time are as follows, the gears and misaligned, the anti-reversal latch is misaligned, or the trigger assembly is screwed up. Just don't get frustrated, or else you are bound to lose something.
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« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2005, 09:30:23 PM »
The way I find is most easy is to hold the spring bushing down with a screw driver, and at the same time I have my other hand on the other portion of the gearbox, holding down the cylinder. As you put the two halves together, put your index finger through the cylinder slot, and use that finger to hold down the cylinder when you have the two halves nearly together.

In some boxes, (I find this most common in ics mp5 boxes) the integral bushing for the anti reversal latch is sometimes cast from the factory with a slightly larger bore diameter. This creates significant slop in the anti reversal latch, and when its under tension from the spring, it almost always tends to come out of place just when you are trying to get the box together.

When you do get the two halves together, check all of the axles, and anti reversal latch to make sure that they are where they should be. If they all seem to be lining up, but somthing that you still cannot see is preventing the closure of the halves, then it could be the slide rails on either side of the piston. Somtimes the spring will cause the piston to rotate slightly when you are assembling the box, and these rails will not line up with the rails in the two halves. This can easily be dealt with by either rotating the cylinder by hand, or taking a small screw driver, pushing it between the two halves and using the tip to rotate the piston one way or another.

Also, when Im getting things back together, I almost always tap on places that might have missalignment issues. Just turn you ordinary screw driver around and give a couple of sharp taps whith the back of the handle where you think may be causing the problem, and it should just pop together after a few tries. It almost always works for me, and sometimes you actually need to do it just to make sure that everything is seated right.
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« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2005, 12:03:01 PM »
Awesome post Ganef.
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« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2005, 01:01:01 PM »
+1 on the awesome post.

Might recommend Paco gets these photos and instructions from you and places them on the site permanently.


I found yours to be more useful than the link hawk had provided, as you took so many pictures you could have probably done away with any words.

Really appreciate every ones help on this.

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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2005, 04:08:44 PM »
+2 for that post!  Definitely worth at least 10 post!!!
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« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2005, 05:01:25 PM »
Cool!

I like the high resolution, it really brings out the detail!

Also, Always remember, before you take the two halves of the gearbox apart, hold back the nozzle with you thumb, and unlock the anti reversal latch with a small allen wrench, or a piece of bent wire.
I noticed in the pictures (kind of makes me cringe a little) that the tappet plate was being bent upwards due to still being partially held back by the anti reversal latch. Ive forgot to do this a coulpe times myself, and to say the least it probably accounts for 99% of broken tappet plates. When I was first starting out, I know I broke at least one on my first time opening my gearbox. But sometimes even now I can get aheasd of myself, and forget to take the step. :)

Anyways, Great tutorial! Its really alot of help for guys just getting started with the basics of upgrading, and the advanced tech alike!
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