Airsoft Arizona
General Airsoft Arizona => General Airsoft Discussion => Topic started by: dajini on December 19, 2004, 03:38:50 PM
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I haven't posted in a long time, so I'll reintroduce myself. I'm 12 years old, and in the past, oh say six months, have been looking to get into airsoft (and not the springer wars... I mean AEGs). I am EXTREMELY safe around guns, and my dad and I go shooting a lot so I have a lot of gun experience. I play paintball, but a while ago I wanted to get into airsoft since it just seemed like it would be more fun... well, I mainly wanted to get into airsoft because it was more realistic and I heard it hurt less than paintball.
Now I haven't got an airsoft gun yet, but I am looking into it. Now here is my problem: who do I play with? None of my friends play airsoft, either because they don't have money for guns, their parents wont let them, or it just doesn't interest them. So I searched on the web and found airsoft arizona... I've been browsing the forums for a long time since then. Now I know AA hosts games a lot, but by looking at the pictures and the videos these seem more "serious" with lots of tactical gear and things like that. I only have money for an AEG, magazines, BB's, camo's, and a belt with magazine pouches on it. Not until I get a job will I have enough money for all the vests and fancy tactical equipment.
So I'm looking for a less "serious" group of airsofters that host games a lot (once every one or two months is fine to me) and is fine with letting a 12 year old play with them(my dad would come with me and stay the whole time, he would never leave). I do not mean this in an offending way to AA, its just I don't have the money to get all the tactical gear for the more serious games they seem to play. But by less serious I don't mean white t-shirt and blue jeans. I mean camos, magazine pouches, but not all the serious tactical stuff in the AA games. I'm not really doing a good job of describing what I mean, but I'm sure you will get the basics of what I'm trying to say.
Thanks in advance :)
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Um where exactly do you live because if you're in Tucson you may be able to play with my group so long as you follow all the rules and stuff. And you are mature for your age.
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I live on the very edge of Chandler, the edge next to Phoenix.
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Well, you don't have to have "fancy gear" to play with AA. However, you do need goggles and the other required things found in the AA Rules & CoC: http://www.airsoftarizona.com/rules.htm.
As far as your age, I know that people under 18 can attend unofficial AA games. However, you're a bit young. Though you are mature for your age from what I can see. You can't be a member of AA until you're 16 and sponsored (see rules for the details) or 18, but you can join some of the Phoenix area teams that don't have high age requirements.
Hope this helped :)
Note: You may have to have your dad fill out the waiver before even attending a non-official AA game, and might even have to be there while you play. Can someone clarify this?
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I thought you don't have to be an AA member to play at the AA games... (well, I guess some games are members only right?). As far as I can tell on the rules, it's okay for me to go to an AA game as long as my dad signs the wavier and stays the whole time. I asked the age requirement question a couple of months ago and people said that I can come as long as my dad stays, so now I'm confused. Some people are saying that I have to be a member, others are saying I can go if my dad stays, others say my dad has to play with me for me to go (doubt he would want to trying airsofting). I would like some more input on what the actual answer is to this.
Also, if someone could point me to one of the "less serious" airsoft groups that live close to Chandler, I would be very thankful.
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You can go to a NON-Official AA game because you don't have to be a member to go. However, the hosts of the game may have different requirements (i.e. everyone under 18 has to wear full face masks). I'm not clear on whether your dad has to be there for those games.
Now, you cannot go to an Official AA game because you are not 16 or 18, and you aren't a member. You may spectate (watch) these games, but you still have to have the waiver.
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Alright I get it now. But a question: what is the difference between an official AA game and a non-official AA game?
Thanks.
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An official game is usualy an Op (Operation).
It's for members only, usualy sponsors send in prizes for raffles etc. etc.
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Hey dajini,
In my opinion you sound mature enough to participate in an AirsoftArizona game. I think you would be okay in an AirsoftArizona game as long as you got an AEG and some B.D.U.s and I would not worry to much if you don't have a vest. It can always wait (even though it helps quite a bit.) [smilie=armata_pdt_12.gif]
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Yea, well we all have to wait though =/ Only three more years. Or, if someone is kind enough to sponsor me, one.
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But a question: what is the difference between an official AA game and a non-official AA game?
An official game is usualy an Op (Operation).
It's for members only, usualy sponsors send in prizes for raffles etc. etc.
Wraith your partly right. The only game that had sponsors and prizes was Op: Cold Burn and that was not an official AA game; it was sponsored by AA and used the same set of rules. That game also had a registration fee. Official AA games are put on by certain members of the community for the other members using the rules posted on this site.
Just keep looking around. You bound to find someone or some group putting together a small game somewhere. And if you can't find one you can always try to organize you own game. But remember - play safe, play responsibly!
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I've never been to any of AA's games, I was just going based on what I've seen from other teams.
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Its cool man, just trying to clarify things a bit more for everybody.
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hey danji, im in the same boat you are, cept im a little older, 14. I have a friend and his dad that are into airsoft but not real big maybe we can set up a place to just go play every once in a while
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Same here, except that don't have even enough money to buy an AEG, vest, etc.. I been interested in airsoft since I was your age.
I'm now 14 and didn't have the money or the time to really get into airsoft because of previous obligations like Speedskating, photography, panitball, poke'mon (now I have to sell all my !@#$ cards! ](*,) ) etc.
Well now that I've done my research and have played airsoft, I like it a lot more than anything and hope to get my own AEG sometime in the next year! But for now all i got is a springer and a mini :| .
I really wasn't going to let the cat out of the bag but... I'm starting my own airsoft club because there are a lot of guys that live in my area and only have springers and minis, but they still want to play airsoft... I had to do something! So far i have a place to play (private land and I have permssion), still working on a web and the rules (I'm using REAL firearm safety rules, like laser rule, etc.).... I hope to have the first game sometime late Jan. and early Feb.
Wish me luck and I'll wish you luck!
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Killerplushtoy: Yeah, that would be pretty cool. Maybe we should try to set up a "younger" airsoft club or a group of airsoft players that can't really afford all that gear. I could probably at least get an AEG for my birthday (already have my Christmas list set up), or if not, I could just get a spring and play at the "younger" games, if we do make a younger club. Maybe cmptrdewd could join too, since he says he knows a lot of people that are like us.
By the way cmptrdewd, if you don't know PHP or HTML, I could make the website. I know some HTML (not a lot) but enough to make an OK website.
EDIT: I worded that a little too confusing. What I was meaning to say is we should start an airsoft group of younger people who can't really afford all that fancy stuff. It would most likely be a mix of springers/non-expensive AEG's, at least from what I've read.
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You guys can always get together and do your own Airsoft gaming. AA is more milsim and more adult oriented. 16 years old minimum age with an adult sponsor or one of your parents attending the game with you. What ever you do, play safe, always wear protective goggles and it wouldn't hurt to wear full face paintball masks to keep you from losing a tooth. It has happened in the past.
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Another question: a "non-official" AA game would be pretty much any game other than an "official" AA game, right?
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Another question: a "non-official" AA game would be pretty much any game other than an "official" AA game, right?
Correct.
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Yeah we should do that, that would be awesome, but would u rather do like milsim stuff or just like skirmishes, id prefer milsim
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Killerplushtoy: Yeah, that would be pretty cool. Maybe we should try to set up a "younger" airsoft club or a group of airsoft players that can't really afford all that gear. I could probably at least get an AEG for my birthday (already have my Christmas list set up), or if not, I could just get a spring and play at the "younger" games, if we do make a younger club. Maybe cmptrdewd could join too, since he says he knows a lot of people that are like us.
By the way cmptrdewd, if you don't know PHP or HTML, I could make the website. I know some HTML (not a lot) but enough to make an OK website.
EDIT: I worded that a little too confusing. What I was meaning to say is we should start an airsoft group of younger people who can't really afford all that fancy stuff. It would most likely be a mix of springers/non-expensive AEG's, at least from what I've read.
Making a "can't afford stuff" club was my plan starting out since there are a lot of people that only have springers. But they are not looking to get seriously into airsoft like me. Once I get the cash and get old enough I hope to join airsoftaz and do more serious tactics, movement, milsim, etc.
I know HTML pretty well and I have frontpage and so far my web looks pretty good. Thanks for the offer though!
I would love to come join you guys! You live in Chanler (please exsue my spelling :oops: ) right? I live in the North Phoenix area, like Deer Valley. Soooo if you plan a game that is within a 30 min. drive from my house, I'll come down!
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I'd be fine with both milsim and just regular skirmishes. Both seem fine to me :)
BTW cmptr... (forgot the rest of the name, sorry :oops: )
I'm pretty much looking to do the same thing as you. Once I get old enough and have the money for better equipment, I would join AA and go to the games. But until then we should try organizing "lighter" games for the people that are like us. I'll probably get a cheap AEG for my B-Day (January 28), probably an MP5 (don't want something too expensive), then I'll be set gun wise for the games.
Let me know the web address when you get it up! :)
Thanks.
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dajini: I'll make a new topic as soon as web is done so everyone sees it!
For now my "group" will do lighter games like you said.
And don't worry about the name, it's just computer w/o the vowels and then dewd pronouced "dude" and put it together, cmptrdewd!
I know your not stupid, just giving you an easy way of remembering! [smilie=armata_pdt_18.gif]
P.S. don't you like the new emoticons! [smilie=armata_pdt_12.gif]
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Cmptrdewd(AH HAH I got it!)- About when do you expect the webpage to be up? And about when do you think the "lighter" group we're trying to make would have it's first game?
Yes and you got it right... I live in Chandler!
(and yes these new emoticons are awesome!) [smilie=armata_pdt_42.gif] [smilie=armata_pdt_35.gif] [smilie=armata_pdt_41.gif] [smilie=armata_pdt_40.gif] [smilie=armata_pdt_18.gif]
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Cmptrdewd(AH HAH I got it!)- About when do you expect the webpage to be up? And about when do you think the "lighter" group we're trying to make would have it's first game?
Yes and you got it right... I live in Chandler!
Well progress on the site is slow... you can blame that on my sister since she always hogging computer. [smilie=armata_pdt_02.gif] I'm using my laptop right now, but I only have frontpage on computer. I hope to get done by mid Jan. I also hope to plan the first game somewhere around late Jan./early Feb.
Chandler is a far ways from my place and it would be hard for me to plan around an hours drive to make a game... but we'll see! [smilie=armata_pdt_20.gif]
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Alright sounds good. I should probably have a gun by then... but I never know...
Around how many people do you know that would be able to come to the first game? You said you knew a lot of people who had springers and low level guns. Also, what kind of gun do you have?
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Well, I do know a lot of people who own low level guns, but I don't know how many would show up for sure. If I had to make a guess I would say anywhere from 4 players up to 30! When I get the web up I will ask people that have low end guns to e-mail me so I can get a number. Until then I have really no way of telling how many will actually show up for a game.
As of now I have a mini electric MP5 with extra-cap scope and a Beratta springer. Lame loadout, but it will have to do for now.
I pretty sure that I will have two extra clips and tac. holster for Beratta by the first game.
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Oh and dajini, your going to turn 13 on Jan. 2, right?
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Actually that was a mistake with the forum... I really turn 13 on January 28. Since the 8 in 28 was next to a ), it made 28)
But wow... up to 30 people! That's gonna (if they all come) be a lot of people!
On the lame loadout thing... well, at least you got a springer... my only airsoft gun is a cheap mini MP5 I got a long time ago for target shooting. Also made a great grasshopper "hunting" gun too :) But on my birthday I'm asking for a TM MP5, two extra high caps, 3400 BB's, and two mag pouches (one for loaded mags, the other as a magazine "dump"). I'm not sure if I will get it all for free though... I will probably have to use some of my Christmas money for it.
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OK because I'm going to have a 13 year old age limit! I'll have to plan in Feb. then! But that's ok, I'd let you come any way, just say your 13! [smilie=armata_pdt_29.gif]
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Alright sounds good... where could we host the first game that is close to both of us? Hmmmmmm.... *goes into deep thought*
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Well let me think... :-k
We could find some state trust land somewhere....
I'll done some research!
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Just a suggestion: where ever you decide to play, notify the sherrif or local police that you will be playing AIRSOFT in that area. It goes a long way to helping your credibility with law enforcement and helps to keep airsoft legal for all involved.
Just a suggestion.
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Just a suggestion: where ever you decide to play, notify the sherrif or local police that you will be playing AIRSOFT in that area. It goes a long way to helping your credibility with law enforcement and helps to keep airsoft legal for all involved.
Just a suggestion.
I'm sorry, but THAT IS A BIG FAT HAIRY BAD IDEA! My dad has been part of the police for 10 years, he says if you tell the police they will just say NO because they can! They will not put out an all-points-bulletin just because some kids are are playing airsoft! As long as you play on state trust land or private land (given permission from the owner of course), they will not bother you and if the cops do show up they will just tell you to be careful! Telling the cops or sherrif will not do you any good! Trust me, I tryed it! The police department just gave me a lecture! As long as you are wearing eye protection and playing away from houses of public parks, they won't make a big deal of it!
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Just a suggestion: where ever you decide to play, notify the sherrif or local police that you will be playing AIRSOFT in that area. It goes a long way to helping your credibility with law enforcement and helps to keep airsoft legal for all involved.
Just a suggestion.
I'm sorry, but THAT IS A BIG FAT HAIRY BAD IDEA! My dad has been part of the police for 10 years, he says if you tell the police they will just say NO because they can! They will not put out an all-points-bulletin just because some kids are are playing airsoft! As long as you play on state trust land or private land (given permission from the owner of course), they will not bother you and if the cops do show up they will just tell you to be careful! Telling the cops or sherrif will not do you any good! Trust me, I tryed it! The police department just gave me a lecture! As long as you are wearing eye protection and playing away from houses of public parks, they won't make a big deal of it!
mmm....i love proving people wrong....
yes, its a VERY good idea. In prescott we properly informed the authorities and were treaty nicely, and were allowed to play airsoft. you are MORE likely to get kicked out of the area if you don't inform them. mmmm.....
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Yeah not to sound mean but I think it's better that we notify the police before we organize a game. I mean airsoft already has a bad reputation, we don't wanna make it any worse.
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Just a suggestion: where ever you decide to play, notify the sherrif or local police that you will be playing AIRSOFT in that area. It goes a long way to helping your credibility with law enforcement and helps to keep airsoft legal for all involved.
Just a suggestion.
I'm sorry, but THAT IS A BIG FAT HAIRY BAD IDEA! My dad has been part of the police for 10 years, he says if you tell the police they will just say NO because they can! They will not put out an all-points-bulletin just because some kids are are playing airsoft! As long as you play on state trust land or private land (given permission from the owner of course), they will not bother you and if the cops do show up they will just tell you to be careful! Telling the cops or sherrif will not do you any good! Trust me, I tryed it! The police department just gave me a lecture! As long as you are wearing eye protection and playing away from houses of public parks, they won't make a big deal of it!
mmm....i love proving people wrong....
yes, its a VERY good idea. In prescott we properly informed the authorities and were treaty nicely, and were allowed to play airsoft. you are MORE likely to get kicked out of the area if you don't inform them. mmmm.....
That might be well and good in your little town of mayberry but here in the BIG city the police don't want to hear about it! If you don't believe me, just ask any police here in Phoenix! O and stop being a smart@$$, Firehead! Your not police officer to my knowledge!
Yeah not to sound mean but I think it's better that we notify the police before we organize a game. I mean airsoft already has a bad reputation, we don't wanna make it any worse.
Go ahead and contact them! They will just lecture you! I have been apporched by the police before when I was playing airsoft! Some hiker say there where "some kids playing with guns"! The police showed up and we were scared to death! One guy went over to explain what was going on. The police let us off with "be careful", "watch for people around" and let us countinue playing!
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That might be well and good in your little town of mayberry but here in the BIG city the police don't want to hear about it! If you don't believe me, just ask any police here in Phoenix! O and stop being a smart@$$, Firehead! Your not police officer to my knowledge!
Yeah not to sound mean but I think it's better that we notify the police before we organize a game. I mean airsoft already has a bad reputation, we don't wanna make it any worse.
Go ahead and contact them! They will just lecture you! I have been apporched by the police before when I was playing airsoft! Some hiker say there where "some kids playing with guns"! The police showed up and we were scared to death! One guy went over to explain what was going on. The police let us off with "be careful", "watch for people around" and let us countinue playing!
You're not a police officer to my knowledge. Do you truly think that because your dad is a police officer, he knows everything? I'm sure that he does not. Besides, if you don't want the cops ruining your game because there are "some kids playing with guns", tell them that you'll be there ahead of time. Some might just take note that there are kids playing a game of airsoft out there. Shit, I'd rather be lectured over the phone then lectured during my playing time.
And this "be careful" and "watch for people around" you is exactly what you need to do. You might not want to hear it, but it's the truth.
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I was thankful they let us off with "be careful"! When I called the phoenixpd they said NOT to play airsoft, PERIOD! If all you want to be stupid, that's fine! [smilie=armata_pdt_19.gif]
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That might be well and good in your little town of mayberry but here in the BIG city the police don't want to hear about it! If you don't believe me, just ask any police here in Phoenix! O and stop being a smart@$$, Firehead! Your not police officer to my knowledge!
i have been on this earth longer than you have. and i've been in the big city, just recently i have moved into tim-buck-too. i'm not a little redneck, dont try to sound bigger than you are. and for most people my age i'm decently versed in the law.
where do you play that hikers complain of "kids playing with guns"? if one complained, you are playing in a bad area. playing on state land isnt always the best idea, but when you do it, contact the authorities. You are MUCH more likely to get in some kind of trouble if you dont contact them. what would you do if a police officer ended up killing one of you becuase you "accidentally" pointed a realistic looking weapon at them?
you know why they probably say no to you guys? becuase your kids, and police officers for the most part, arent exactly friendly to kids. When someone like mikey, paco(is jason right?), or John(harley) informs, they do it in a much more adult tone, i'm sure of it.
damn kids....
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If your planning on playing with in the city limits, I feel that is a bad idea and an accident waiting to happen. Everything you've just said cmptrdewd is why minors get a bad rap. I dont want my fun to be ruined by the fact a 14 yr. old kid was shot by a police officer, who was playing airsoft in town. So listen and listen very carefully. Airsoft is not your local water gun fight and it must be taken seriously. If you cant handle that, then maybe you should take up some other hobby.
Play out of the city limits, notify the authorities and let them know what you plan on doing.
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Take it from me, all people -18.. I'm 17 and at 16, I had some MAJOR runin with the cops having to do with airsoft, and those are what I told AA about and the majority still think I'm a moron, which they have a huge right to. Just take it from me, a guy that learns on a trial and error basis, don't play in the city, 'less theres a damn good excuse.
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Well cmptrdewd, at AA we're suppost to be nice, and not call people names etc. Firehead knows what he's talking about and so do the rest of us.
To my knowledge, when an AA game is made, the police are notifyed. Do you think an organization such as this one would last if one of us were hurt by a police officer? A member of my family can tell you the seriousness of the situation due to my cousin being shot out of a tree, and killed because he pointed a clear plastic toy gun at a cop thinking they were playing cops & robbers (he was little).
Notify the police, or as Firehead said, find another sport.
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As AA has already stated, when they play they notify law enforcement, when SATAC has an event we notify law enforcement (Tucson area, and it ain't no hick town y'all ;) ), and as far as I know whenever SWAIRTAC goes out they also notify law enforcement. None of us have ever had any trouble due to this fact and the fact that we all try to locate secluded areas to play.
However not being aware of this is what has caused alot of problems for Airsoft in California and New Jersey.
Take it how you will.
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Hello gentlemen, this would be cmptrdewd's dad. If you would like to contact the police prior to a game, go for it. In my 11 years as a Phoennix Police Officer, (and no I don't know everything), a call about an airsoft game would be met with a don't do it. Not only that but, the info would never get to the street officer for that beat anyway. Maybe other cities would treat this situation differently, but as for Phoenix it would cause more trouble than it would help. If you see the Police, put down your airsoft and tell them you are playing a game, not a problem. Have fun and take care...
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If you play within the city limits, it's illegal. Discharging a firearm inside the city limits in Arizona is against the law, and in many cases that includes BB guns or airsoft guns. If you contact the police in Phoenix, they will tell you you can't play airsoft inside the city limits because it's illegal. If you plan to play outside the city limits, get permision and contact the law enforcement agency that has jurisdiction in the area. If you have permission to play on private land, then you should be okay. Yes, not every officer will know, but at least somebody will.
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Still cmptrdewd... I would rather take the chance of asking them and them saying "no" and giving us a hard time rather than pulling their guns on us and maybe shooting one of us while we play without permission. It's WAY, WAY, WAY, WAY better to be safe than sorry. I still hold my opinion that we should tell the police before we go play airsoft somewhere... and I'm sorry but if you cant follow that common sense rule than I don't wanna come to any games hosted by you :( Not in a mean way I just think it's better to be safe than sorry. I don't plan on getting shot by the cops anytime soon :D I dunno I've always been the more cautious type rather than the risk taker... you live much safer that way. Maybe not as fun as being a daredevil and a risk taker and things like that, but it's safe.
Plus I really don't want our younger airsoft group being branded as those stupid little kids messing up airsofts reputation. I'd rather have our group be regarded as the mature, sensible airsofters.
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I think the issue with a "don't do it" response would be would a minor calls in and asks. I don't live in Phoenix, and the departments vary in their stance towards the sport. However, tomarrow I will go and ask my neighbor ( Mohave Valley Sheriff ) about that. I really don't think he's going to agree with that statement.
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Well cmptrdewd, at AA we're suppost to be nice, and not call people names etc. Firehead knows what he's talking about and so do the rest of us.
To my knowledge, when an AA game is made, the police are notifyed. Do you think an organization such as this one would last if one of us were hurt by a police officer? A member of my family can tell you the seriousness of the situation due to my cousin being shot out of a tree, and killed because he pointed a clear plastic toy gun at a cop thinking they were playing cops & robbers (he was little).
Notify the police, or as Firehead said, find another sport.
Ok, your right. We shouldn't call people names on these forums.
I apologize to Firehead and make this apology under my own will.
I still hold belief to the statement my dad made above.
I hold safety in my highest priority and thought it was a good idea to contact Law Enforcement until I did. I called the PPD and I asked in a professional tone "Where would be a legal place to play airsoft?" The man on the phone asked, "What is Airsoft?" I continued with, "They are replaca guns that shoot 6mm plastic BB's-" I was cut off with, "there will be no firing of firearms within city limit's!"
Then I asked my dad and some other officers on this issue. They all gave the same responce this my dad gave above. I have a plot of private land near my house that my dad has played airsoft with me on more than one occation and I have expressed permission from the owner to play there.
If you think I have no regaurd to safety or the law why don't you pick a bone with a few seniors know that have "springer wars" at a public park! And if that's not bad enough they play at night! As said before, safety is my number one priority and still believe it will not help to contact law enforcement!
P.S. Sorry for bad spelling
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Yeah, also in my trial and error ways, that works well too. He even called dispatch and said we could play till' 12 am. (at the wash).
(responding to cptr's dads response)
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It is probably, as someone mentioned before, because it sounds like a minor asking where to play airsoft. They hear a minor's voice and immediatley they think "NOPE NOPE NO WAY!! MINORS ARE DANGEROUS AND RECKLESS AND STUPID! NEVER! NOPE!". But if an adult called I'm sure they would answer it seriously.
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Still cmptrdewd... I would rather take the chance of asking them and them saying "no" and giving us a hard time rather than pulling their guns on us and maybe shooting one of us while we play without permission. It's WAY, WAY, WAY, WAY better to be safe than sorry. I still hold my opinion that we should tell the police before we go play airsoft somewhere... and I'm sorry but if you cant follow that common sense rule than I don't wanna come to any games hosted by you :( Not in a mean way I just think it's better to be safe than sorry. I don't plan on getting shot by the cops anytime soon :D I dunno I've always been the more cautious type rather than the risk taker... you live much safer that way. Maybe not as fun as being a daredevil and a risk taker and things like that, but it's safe.
Plus I really don't want our younger airsoft group being branded as those stupid little kids messing up airsofts reputation. I'd rather have our group be regarded as the mature, sensible airsofters.
Apparently you guys don't understand that if you were going to contact the PPD, the street officers wouldn't hear about the game and there would still be a risk of some one getting shot! I have told what I think as well as police officers own opinion. I most likely not walk away from this without a bad rep. I will no longer reply on this subject.
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It sounds to me as if you aproached the subject wrong. The legality of airsoft relies alot on how you present it and what you call it. Lets use an example of paintball that is well known:
Paintball Gun
Paintball Marker
Which do you think the police are gonna be lighter on? Also, when you call, don't just ask them a spot to do it since, it is illegal to fire it off within city limits unless on your property etc. etc. Call and say something like "Hi, I, and a group of my friends have a sport like paintball we'd like to play that has a low velocity, doesn't break the skin, and we will use all safety procautions etc and play outside of city limits, is this okay (or may I have permission).
EDIT: As you dad stated, the officers on patrol may not know about it, but police officers are to report in, where they are, what they are doing, the reason they're going to a call etc. Chances are, someone will be notifyed and will tell the officer what the people are doing and maybe just to check it out just to be safe.
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I personally dont believe it is wise or safe to play airsoft within the city limits, in any public area. I want to play in an area that is secluded and where I only have to stop my game once in awhile due to a hiker. Where then we hold fire and explain whats going on to the person and define the area where we are operating in. I will not take any chances playing in a public park or a private lot, where passerbys can see me and possibly recieve stray rounds. The more people that you play around the less safe you are. Thats the heart of the issue.
Yes if you called a local city police department they probally dont want to hear it. You shouldn't be playing in town anyways. You are asking too much from others to be able to distinguish you playing a game, instead of having real fire arms. I dont like adding exponential variables to the equation. Too many things can get out of hand and go wrong. This is the issue, to me.
When we play, we play out of town and let the proper authorities know. One example, if a hiker from a distance saw one of our players and ran back to call the police, they would know the area we are in and can respond to the call accordingly, if they respond at all.
I have a neighbor who is a police officer. As I was telling him about airsoft he was joking to his friend about using my airsoft gun to ambush him in our apartment complex. I said something to the fact that the police would show up and he said "ah it would give the swat team something to do." As hes on a swat team himself. These are some things that I would like seen avoided by using common sense. This is all I hope for.
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I personally dont believe it is wise or safe to play airsoft within the city limits, in any public area. I want to play in an area that is secluded and where I only have to stop my game once in awhile due to a hiker. Where then we hold fire and explain whats going on to the person and define the area where we are operating in. I will not take any chances playing in a public park or a private lot, where passerbys can see me and possibly recieve stray rounds. The more people that you play around the less safe you are. Thats the heart of the issue.
Yes if you called a local city police department they probally dont want to hear it. You shouldn't be playing in town anyways. You are asking too much from others to be able to distinguish you playing a game, instead of having real fire arms. I dont like adding exponential variables to the equation. Too many things can get out of hand and go wrong. This is the issue, to me.
When we play, we play out of town and let the proper authorities know. One example, if a hiker from a distance saw one of our players and ran back to call the police, they would know the area we are in and can respond to the call accordingly, if they respond at all.
I have a neighbor who is a police officer. As I was telling him about airsoft he was joking to his friend about using my airsoft gun to ambush him in our apartment complex. I said something to the fact that the police would show up and he said "ah it would give the swat team something to do." As hes on a swat team himself. These are some things that I would like seen avoided by using common sense. This is all I hope for.
Sarge I agree. We seem to have a misunderstanding here. I may not have ben clear myself.
If you play in city limits of course the PD (Phoenix PD in this case) is going to tell you no because it is illegal as stated before to play within city limits. If you are going to play in the county then you contact the county sherif NOT the city Police. You will most likely not get the same responce from the county sherrif as you will from the city police.
Besides it's best to CYA, even if you get told no.
City Police and County Sherrif are different agencies.
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But seriously... the last thing us minors need is a bad reputation. I mean, whenever people hear "minor" and "airsoft" together they immdiatley think troublemakers, shooting their neighbors, shooting their friends without eye protection, playing in public, shooting passerbys. What really bugs me is when people think that ALL minors are like that. While most are, some of us are actually sensible, gun-safe (is that even a word?), and smart. I just hate it when people talk about "minors messing up airsoft's reputation" or, from paintball, "minors messing up paintball's reputation". It bugs me that just because we are young and minors, we immediatley have a bad reputation before anyone gets to know us.
Cmptrdewd, the last thing we need is having a hiker see us, calling the cops saying "0mg oh n03s t3h min3rssz sh00ting 3ach 0th3r hurryze@!!@111eleven1one!!one!" and the cops knowing they haven't heard any reports of people saying they are gonna play airsoft and calling the police out there. Like I said before, I still hold by my opinion that we should call the cops before we go play somewhere. The last thing us minors need is an even worse reputation :(