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Offline RickEJ6

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« on: February 11, 2004, 09:43:16 PM »
It is possible that something is missing when you reassembled the gun, or that the piston seal is torn.  The lack of a hop up unit would also cause a dramatic loss in power. Rick
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« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2004, 01:47:36 AM »
You probably broke it. I put a bigger spring on my hfc glock... lasted a little while at good power.. then one time when I released the slide, it didn't latch and the spring pushed the slide forward with so much force that the back end broke and the slide came off.
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« Reply #2 on: February 12, 2004, 06:38:49 AM »
it has no hop up, and when i returned the original spring, it fires like it did before.  gone back and forth several times, more powerful spring =less power each time.  im completely confused.
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« Reply #3 on: February 12, 2004, 07:05:41 AM »
The new spring probably can't compress as much as the original spring due to the wire diameter size difference.  You have a lot to learn grasshopper.
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« Reply #4 on: February 12, 2004, 07:36:16 AM »
Well, In order for the gun to cock itself the spring must compress into the fully back position. Rick
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« Reply #5 on: February 12, 2004, 08:45:53 AM »
There are still major differences in tensile strength and other dynamics that I can't explain.  Basically you can't go to the hardware store and buy a spring to put in you gun, it's not the same as a spring specifically deigned for a gun whether that be a real firearm or an AEG or even a... gag... springer.
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« Reply #6 on: February 12, 2004, 11:23:11 AM »
its not just a matter of force, its a matter of speed of return of force.  i got it.  so teh larger spring isnt decompressing as fast, so even though its storing and returning more energy, by the time its returned all the energy, the bb's already left the barrel.  yes no?

(hmm, now im rethinking the springs for my claymore design too...)
thanks harley!
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« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2004, 11:38:46 AM »
Pretty much.
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« Reply #8 on: February 12, 2004, 03:51:51 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by leakingpen</i>
<br />its not just a matter of force, its a matter of speed of return of force.  i got it.  so teh larger spring isnt decompressing as fast, so even though its storing and returning more energy, by the time its returned all the energy, the bb's already left the barrel.  yes no?

(hmm, now im rethinking the springs for my claymore design too...)
thanks harley!
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

How you got that from
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Harley</i><br />There are still major differences in tensile strength and other dynamics that I can't explain. Basically you can't go to the hardware store and buy a spring to put in you gun, it's not the same as a spring specifically deigned for a gun whether that be a real firearm or an AEG or even a... gag... springer.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
is beyone me!

You are correct, however.  I tried the same thing when I was a young lad with springer rifles.  In addition to the "force dynamics"[:P], it also has something to do with the tolerances of the cylinder/piston.  With the stock spring, there is a nice, steady force behind the piston.  When you add some MOAS (mother of all springs) in there, it just doesn't happen.

If you insist upon "improving" springers, the way to go is a nylon spacer.  Get one that is about 1/4" long, and just a bit bigger around than the spring guide.  Put it on the guide BEFORE the spring, and reassemble.  Stretching the spring will work for about 5 shots, and after that the spring loses any decent power it had before.

I can't believe I just typed that much about nardly springers.
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quick question, and please no razzing.
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2004, 09:15:16 PM »
okay, so i bought a **** load of cheap a$$ springers as a lot off ebay for various reasons, one being to look more at how airsoft guns in general work.  im trying to upgrade one of them, just for the fun of it.  i picked up a replacement spring from teh hardware store, same id and od, a little longer, so i chopped a bit off so its the same length. only difference is a larger wire diameter, so its a lot tougher and has a higher k constant.  fits into place perfectly, is a lot tougher to cock (as it should be) but...  fires half the distance with no force whatsoever.

am i missing something here?
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