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Post by: gixser13 on September 12, 2004, 09:04:37 PM: is that 3nd one up from the bottom a AR47 looks sweet man. I
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Post by: Mr. Joseph on September 12, 2004, 09:05:01 PM: Is that a mock silencer?
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Post by: delta_echo on September 12, 2004, 09:07:09 PM: THE BAN FROM HELL IS OVER, ONE RIGHT RETURNED! YIPPPPPEEEEEEEE! I'm giggling like a little girl. Anyway, very sweet! So if you want to bribe paco, offer him an M16 variant, huh? *Sigh*. Still waiting for a good deal on an SP1. How much did you build your M16A1 (minus grip) with the tulip flash hider for? And, HOLY FRICKEN COW, is that a real M203 (40mm)?
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Post by: gixser13 on September 12, 2004, 09:11:18 PM: SHHHH its a mochup and a 37mm.
never know whos watching
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Post by: yellowmonkey on September 12, 2004, 09:39:11 PM: Ahh, collapasible/ folding stocks and high captivity magazines... the end of the world is here!!! [:D]

Seriously though, THANK GOODNESS. DIE DIRTY AWB, DIE, DIE, DIE!

*Spelling
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Post by: Mr. Joseph on September 12, 2004, 09:59:56 PM: I cant wait to get a high captivity magazine
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Post by: KamikazeSM on September 12, 2004, 10:29:43 PM: <---- slightly jealous

Nice collection you have there!
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Post by: IcePlatinumSky on September 12, 2004, 11:16:51 PM: Very nice I never thought I would be this proud to see someone with such nice guns!!!!
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Post by: Greg on September 12, 2004, 11:34:22 PM: by my watch it isn't midnight yet [;)]

edit: I guess my ak isn't "post-ban" anymore!!!!
Time to get a bayonet lug[:D]

edit again: Scratch that first statement. I'm an idiot. I guess the law expired at midnight eastern time, huh?[B)]
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Post by: SHIFTY1944 on September 12, 2004, 11:46:25 PM: VICTORY FINALLY! AK barrel threaded...check!Folding stock...check! New hi-caps without highway robbery...check!
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Post by: Greg on September 13, 2004, 12:03:35 AM: I just found this on the ATF's FAQ about the ban...
http://www.atf.gov/firearms/saw-faqs.htm (http://www.atf.gov/firearms/saw-faqs.htm)

<blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> Q: Can tribal law enforcement entities now possess SAWs and LCAFDs?

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does this mean that they couldn't have them during the ban?
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Post by: Paco on September 13, 2004, 08:10:53 AM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by USMC-Greg
 by my watch it isn't midnight yet [;)]

edit: I guess my ak isn't "post-ban" anymore!!!!
Time to get a bayonet lug[:D]

edit again: Scratch that first statement. I'm an idiot. I guess the law expired at midnight eastern time, huh?[B)]
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Remember that the federal laws are based on the time in the east coast. Midnight there is 9pm here. The AWB had already expired.
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Post by: Firehead on September 13, 2004, 01:35:12 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mr. Joseph
 I cant wait to get a high captivity magazine
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holding it for ransom, eh? Will AR-15s be cheaper after this or will the continue in their price range?
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Post by: Ruiner on September 13, 2004, 01:35:31 PM: I KNEW something was up when i saw terrorists running to the gun store this morning!!! I saw themc ome out with full auto uzi's and AKs!!!! Well at least thats waht Fox 10 news was saying was gonna happen 2 days ago. ugg... i havent heard a word on normal tv about the ban in months, and this week its been all over it.. and they keep citing terrorists, uzi's and ak's... i just dont get it. I mean twisting the truth is one thing, but outright lieing is a whole diferent ball of wax. Guess ive just been blided by it. I know the general public thinks that the ban was on full auto guns, but the ****ing news... they're usualy a bit more subtle about their lies.

HOORY THE BAN IS DEAD!
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Post by: Paco on September 13, 2004, 01:42:40 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Ruiner
 I KNEW something was up when i saw terrorists running to the gun store this morning!!! I saw themc ome out with full auto uzi's and AKs!!!! Well at least thats waht Fox 10 news was saying was gonna happen 2 days ago. ugg... i havent heard a word on normal tv about the ban in months, and this week its been all over it.. and they keep citing terrorists, uzi's and ak's... i just dont get it. I mean twisting the truth is one thing, but outright lieing is a whole diferent ball of wax. Guess ive just been blided by it. I know the general public thinks that the ban was on full auto guns, but the ****ing news... they're usualy a bit more subtle about their lies.

HOORY THE BAN IS DEAD!
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I guess it must be Fox's "right lean"... [rolleyes]
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Post by: Basher on September 13, 2004, 02:24:27 PM: Reserving my spot for pictures. [:D] I could only afford one, but I'm more than happy with it. 2 standard cap mags (that means 30 rounds), and with a slightly high 25 yard zero, I rang steel at 300 yards all this morning with no holdover. Never done that before. [:D] Will have pics up soon.
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Post by: Paco on September 13, 2004, 03:19:23 PM: Oh, and some bayonet pics, just because I can: [:D]

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/jtb33/DSC01458.jpg)

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/jtb33/DSC01459.jpg)
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Post by: Ruiner on September 13, 2004, 03:28:20 PM: wow paco them thigns are killing machines now! Better be carefull that gun could kill you! Remember.. people dont kill people... guns with bayonet lugs kill people!
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Post by: yellowmonkey on September 13, 2004, 04:28:13 PM: How many people are killed by bayonets attached to firearms each year in the US? That's what I want to know.

What moron bans bayonets?

I mean, I'll bet there wasn't a single person bayoneted in the last 20 years inside the US. Is that in the news often? "12 Killed in School Bayoneting." AFAIK the military doesn't even teach soldiers at basic training how to use a bayonet anymore!

Don't forget the dangerous bayonet lug! You could take a nasty spill if someone left one on the floor, or if you got your finger pinched between the bayonet lug and the barrel!

Wouldn't it be a terrible irony if somebody bayoneted that moron senator woman who keeps talking about how dangerous assault weapons are? The potential possibility of her arriving at my door in a consequence-free environment is the only reason I would ever even buy a bayonet.

[:D] Ok, I'm done now.
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Post by: Mr. Joseph on September 13, 2004, 05:00:59 PM: Do they let you put targets close enough to stab at ben avery?
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Post by: -MAD- SARGE on September 13, 2004, 06:42:38 PM: LoL, Now they will have to make a whole range where all you do is go through a course and bayonet sandbag targets.

And then They will call it a Terrorist Training Camp!
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Post by: SHIFTY1944 on September 13, 2004, 08:20:28 PM: The EVIL rifles are back...the streets are gonna be flooded with them now,look out!
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Post by: Firehead on September 13, 2004, 08:44:14 PM: those damned terrorists are going to have a field day, and buy all the guns(for 170 bucks apperantly!) before us non-terrorist people can buy them!
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Post by: leadmagnet on September 13, 2004, 08:47:37 PM: I like AR's too, Paco. But why so many? Do you have any other kinds of firearms?

Lead
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Post by: Mr. Joseph on September 13, 2004, 08:51:56 PM: Sell all those, and maybe one or two more guns and buy an m16
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Post by: Paco on September 13, 2004, 09:49:17 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by leadmagnet
 I like AR's too, Paco. But why so many? Do you have any other kinds of firearms?

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Because I like to collect. I have *plenty* of different kinds. The AR's pictured represent a small portion of my collection. I had to get another safe. [:D]
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Post by: Basher on September 13, 2004, 10:49:48 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mr. Joseph
 Sell all those, and maybe one or two more guns and buy an m16
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Why? As effective as that three round burst probably is, you don't need it. With a little work, and a lot of practice, you can be just as good in semi, if not better, than you would be on three round burst. Besides, $10-12K would buy you a lot more AR15's with the works than you have any real use for. Or a complete arsenal of various weapons. I'm thinking two AR lowers, one collapsible, one not, and about four or five different uppers, all with the works. Then a few nice shotties, handguns, a number of custom made long range rigs. I like my long range toys. [^]
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Post by: delta_echo on September 14, 2004, 05:39:57 AM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Basher
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mr. Joseph
 Sell all those, and maybe one or two more guns and buy an m16
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Why? As effective as that three round burst probably is, you don't need it. With a little work, and a lot of practice, you can be just as good in semi, if not better, than you would be on three round burst. Besides, $10-12K would buy you a lot more AR15's with the works than you have any real use for. Or a complete arsenal of various weapons. I'm thinking two AR lowers, one collapsible, one not, and about four or five different uppers, all with the works. Then a few nice shotties, handguns, a number of custom made long range rigs. I like my long range toys. [^]
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Of course the M16A1 or M4's are full-auto, not the wimpy three-round bursts[:D].
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Post by: Mr. Joseph on September 14, 2004, 10:36:59 AM: Yea, and Ive heard many times that an M16 can be had out of shotgun news for 6k
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Post by: Basher on September 14, 2004, 02:05:50 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by delta_echo
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Basher
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Mr. Joseph
 Sell all those, and maybe one or two more guns and buy an m16
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Why? As effective as that three round burst probably is, you don't need it. With a little work, and a lot of practice, you can be just as good in semi, if not better, than you would be on three round burst. Besides, $10-12K would buy you a lot more AR15's with the works than you have any real use for. Or a complete arsenal of various weapons. I'm thinking two AR lowers, one collapsible, one not, and about four or five different uppers, all with the works. Then a few nice shotties, handguns, a number of custom made long range rigs. I like my long range toys. [^]
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Of course the M16A1 or M4's are full-auto, not the wimpy three-round bursts[:D].
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This is true. Of course, that's probably going to be one old M16 you'll be getting. Then again, I suppose all transferable Class III's are pretty old. [:o)]

Still, I'd probably go with something a little different than my AR. Like an MP5, AUG, or whatever. I don't really have a need for Class III items. Fun, you bet. But I can still buy a number of fine firearms for 6K. I'll get a Class III eventually, but now is not the time for me. [B)]
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Post by: delta_echo on September 14, 2004, 02:51:38 PM: I agree. If you have the money, its cool to have one or two, but otherwise, I stick to plinking and hunting.
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Post by: SHIFTY1944 on September 14, 2004, 09:30:31 PM: You guys and your AR obsession.I used to own one and honestly I was not impressed...thats why I sold it. Iam just waiting for Ruger to start making the folding stock/A-Team style mini 14 and mini 30s again.Everyone should have one of those in their collection.
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Post by: Paco on September 14, 2004, 10:08:46 PM: Ruger has already said that they will not be making any changes. Ruger is a HUGELY "PC" company and they acutally "conspired" with the anti's to help write/author the AWB. According to Ruger, no mags over 10 rounds for civilians and no more factory folders. [V]
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Post by: Harley on September 14, 2004, 10:40:42 PM: FYI, you can swap out the fire control parts and make any M16 either a full auto, 3 rd burst or one of the new ones that has semi/3rd burst, and full auto capability. So don't speculate that just because it's old or new that it has a specific type of fire control in it.

Ruger sucks!!! I will not buy any more Ruger products. If I didn't love my MarkII pistol and my custom 10/22 so much I'd sell them off for another brand. They won't get anymore of my money though.
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Post by: Mr. Joseph on September 15, 2004, 09:00:28 AM: Of course you can, but can you do that legally?
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Post by: Harley on September 15, 2004, 09:08:51 AM: Joey, re-read my post. I stated "M16", not "AR-15". A machine gun is a machine gun and yes you can do it legally. A machine gun is defined as any firearm that can fire more than one round per pull of the trigger. When you buy a registered machine gun, the paperwork does not stipulate what kind of fire control it has. It's a machine gun.
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Post by: delta_echo on September 15, 2004, 09:15:01 AM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by SHIFTY1944
 You guys and your AR obsession.I used to own one and honestly I was not impressed...thats why I sold it. Iam just waiting for Ruger to start making the folding stock/A-Team style mini 14 and mini 30s again.Everyone should have one of those in their collection.
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I love my M1A more than any other weapon I've shot so far. AR's are good for plinking and thats about it if you ask me. Anyways, here's to the classics[8D]!
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Post by: Harley on September 15, 2004, 10:41:24 AM: I agree Shifty, those Mini14's with the factory folding stock are sexy. I always wanted one. But after finding out that Ruger was a big influence in the high capacity ban so he could try to boost his police sales he'll never get any more of my money. Plus as Paco said, Ruger will never make any more high capaicty mags. So that leaves you with after market mags which can be suspicious as to their quality.
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Post by: SHIFTY1944 on September 15, 2004, 03:11:24 PM: WOW,I did'nt know that...thanks for the info.Thats to bad,the folding mini was the coolest factory production gun ever.A buddy of mine has one and its a sweet shootin' peice.Oh well!
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Post by: Harley on September 15, 2004, 03:19:33 PM: Yeah, everybody got pissed off at S&W when they backed the Clinton ban. Of course that's when it was under English control and not US. Now that it's owned by US interests again they'll get my business. On the other hand, to be back stabbed by Ruger just to increase his lacking police dept sales is unjustifiable.
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Post by: Under_Fire on September 15, 2004, 04:27:43 PM: Will other companies resume production of ruger magazines over 10 rounds?
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Post by: Firehead on September 15, 2004, 04:38:19 PM: didn't know ruger made any magazine higher capacity(EVER) for your 10/22(that are ruger factory). I wish marlin would make some higher capacity mags for my little crap-e .22
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Post by: Basher on September 15, 2004, 06:30:14 PM: I like my AR. I don't plan to get NRA High Power accuracy out of it. But as I stated, its combat accuracy is top notch, and that's what I'm looking for. My Winchester M70 does the accurate stuff for me. [:D]

I had never seen the inside of an AR after an intense range session, however, and I will say that I was quite surprised when I cracked mine open and saw all the carbon everywhere. Gritty crap all over the place. Not too much, but enough to notice, and WAY more than anything else I have has ('cause I don't have any other gas-operated firearms). I expect it would function another good 500+ rounds or so, at an absolute MINIMUM before I started to have problems. I'm quite pleased overall. Now if I can get Dad to upload my pics . . . I suppose I'll have to make an account at hunt101.com.
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Post by: delta_echo on September 15, 2004, 07:47:38 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Harley
 But after finding out that Ruger was a big influence in the high capacity ban so he could try to boost his police sales he'll never get any more of my money. Plus as Paco said, Ruger will never make any more high capaicty mags. So that leaves you with after market mags which can be suspicious as to their quality.
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I'm so sad . . . Ruger? Thanks for the info, that'll definitely influence my decision when buying my next firearm.
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Post by: Basher on September 15, 2004, 09:32:18 PM: (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/Basher308/8dcb9f9a.jpg)

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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/Basher308/e15086b5.jpg)
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(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/Basher308/d4a82df6.jpg)
[:P] Got this one for free!!!

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/Basher308/03c11ae0.jpg)
Sorry, I had to. [;)]
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Post by: Harley on September 16, 2004, 07:39:09 AM: Nice Basher, but where's the bayonet? You can't have an evil bayonet lug and no bayonet? I've got an extra you can have if you want to meet me some time and grab it? Can't have that bayonet lug all naked like that now can we?
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Post by: delta_echo on September 16, 2004, 09:53:56 AM: Might as well make your gun the epitomy of Evil (notice "Evil" is spelled with a capital "E" for emphasis)
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Post by: SHIFTY1944 on September 16, 2004, 05:54:30 PM: Looks like just ANOTHER AR to me.Have fun with it!
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Post by: Basher on September 16, 2004, 06:10:34 PM: For right now, it is. That is, until I can return the piece of junk red dot I got from GunTech at the Fun show and buy an AimPoint. Then it will be just another FANCY AR! [;)]

Even if I do get an AimPoint, I might leave it off for a while. What will make this more than just "ANOTHER AR" will be the nut behind the trigger, ie., me. I want to become as proficient as possible in the time that I have. Good excuse to blow some ammo, ain't it? [:D]
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Post by: Paco on September 12, 2004, 09:01:16 PM: My new "post Sunset" (aka "normal" AR's):

<center>(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v484/jtb33/DSC01457a.jpg)</center>

Still have a few more to build... [:D]