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Offline KenCasper

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« Reply #15 on: July 21, 2004, 11:11:59 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">One, I bought my AR a few months ago. If for some reason a year or so downt the road, the come up with a new AWB, will I still be able to put anything on my gun that I want, in essence, will my gun then be a "pre-ban"?
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This is one of those questions where I would like to say it "won't" happen, but they have already done one such law to prove all of the constitutional lawyers wrong. According to everything I have been told and read about law (which isn't loads, but probally more than most) leagally there no way to pass a law which makes it illeagal to ban something that wasn't illeagal before the law went into effect (hince pre-ban and post-ban models.) But when they passed the Lautenburg (sp?) act back in 98-99 (roughly) they instantly made thousands if not millions of people criminals overnight, several attempts have been made to have the law dismissed over the legality of a law that makes past practices illeagal, but last I heard (before deployment) they have all failed due to "public support of the law."

For those unfamilure with the lovely lautenburg act it makes it a felony for anyone who has EVER been convicted of any domestic violance law, felony or misdaminor, to posses or carry a firearm. This law made instantly several thousand police officers and military members criminals, and most have lost their jobs, and had to change careers.


On a differnet note I'm depressed that I'm stuck in Iraq when Brady finally sunsets. Imagine all the stuff I could have bought [V] Oh well just have to save up!
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« Reply #16 on: July 21, 2004, 01:08:38 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Basher</i>
<br />Joseph, I just sent a paypal payment to a guy by the name of Pete from Legal Transfers LLC on AR15.com for an RRA 6 position unmarked stock set, complete with stock, buffer, tube, wrench, nut, spring, and the other alignment ring (whatever that's called. I'm still learning!)for $77.72 or so shipped. Everyone who's bought one from him has said that it's a top-shelf stock, and the price is a steal for RRA quality. Rock solid with no rattle, and you can get them in black or green. It's the same stock that's on RRA's LAR-15 that the DEA just got a contract for. If you'd like his e-mail address, let me know and I can get it to you. He ships priority, too! [:D]
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You could have bought the same stock right in Gilbert from Calvary Arms.

Joey and everyone else.. when and hopefully if the AWB sunsets, don't expect prices to suddenly drop on EVERYTHING.  Prices of new AR15's will not go down, it's simple economics.  What will happen is NEW high capacity mags will once again be available to the public for purchase, at decent prices too.  Collapsable stocks and deadly flash hiders and bayonet lugs will be OK to have.  But that's about it.  A collapsable stock will be the same price come Sept 15th as it is today, along with any other accessory you want.  There are certain things that can't be imported but that is from other executive laws.  Norinco AK47's and Chinese drum mags will not be available so what's on the market now will be it.
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« Reply #17 on: July 21, 2004, 01:48:45 PM »
Exactly.

Here's Paco's take on the economics of the AWB:

When it sunsets, you will see demand for what were formerly known as "preban" AR-15 uppers increase VERY rapidly and there will be a few months of waiting to get one.  Prices on "preban" uppers will gradually increase until the demand influx subsides towards the end of the year or beginning of 2005 and there is no longer a waiting period to get one.  Prices on former "preban" AR-15 rifles (pre Sept 1994) will drop CONSIDERABLY unless they hold collector value (like Colt SP1's).  A used Olympic Arms AR15 made in 1993 that currently goes for $1400 or so, will be worth about $500-600 on September 14th.  I guarantee that you will see dealers at gun shows try to dump such rifles on unsuspecting buyers under the guise (fallacy) that if a new ban is instituted, this AR15 made in 1993 will still be "preban" insinuating that a new rifle made in 2004 would (for some reason) NOT be grandfathered in.  A lot of dealers have a lot of $$ in "preban" supply and for pure money reasons, they don't want it to expire.  Prices on used 30rd AR mags will drop a *little*, and drop even less (if at all) for USGI 30rd mags.  However, prices on "preban" Glock mags (for example) will drop by about 50-60%.
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« Reply #18 on: July 21, 2004, 03:36:11 PM »
I agree with Paco on pretty much everything except his example of the Olympic Arms AR15 at $500 - $600.  Since new AR's are currently going for $750 - $800, a decent "pre-ban" should demand the same price or slightly lower than new.  $500 - $600 is late 1980's prices and I just don't see that happening.  Now I do know where you can get a pre-ban Olympic Arms AR15 right now for $600, but it's a beater for sure.  If you check the gun auction sites right now you'll see everybody trying to dump their pre-bans.  It's crazy, I haven't seen this many pre-bans for sale since the ban went into effect.
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« Reply #19 on: July 21, 2004, 04:03:09 PM »
well,I could really care less about the price for AR-15 parts or collasable stocks.I just want the price of hi-cap mags to go down some.A 15 rnd mag for my glock 19 costs 100 bux...screw that.If it costs 50 bux,thats fine then at least I can get a 2 for 1 price.10/22 style mags are a complete ripoff right now.A 30 round plastic mag should cost at least 30 bucks,a buck a round would seem fair.

I have a post-ban marlin .22 rifle that only has 10 rounders available for it... would be nice if someone like pro-mag,etc. started making 15 0r 20s for it.Also it will be legal to add +2 extensions to a 10 round mag[:)]
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« Reply #20 on: July 21, 2004, 04:09:11 PM »
You can legally add +2 extensions now, there's nothing wrong with that.
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« Reply #21 on: July 21, 2004, 04:23:45 PM »
Is $20 a good price for NIW USGI 30 round mags with green followers? I don't mean to jack the thread, but I was just wondering. I don't think they could be had much cheaper, even after the ban set. And yes, this price is current. Thanks, guys!
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« Reply #22 on: July 21, 2004, 04:26:02 PM »
here's a little not from Sunset News.

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"We have only a few days remaining before Congress goes away for the August recess.  Then, they're back just one week before the ban expires.  Look for the intensity and desperate nature of the anti-gun propaganda to increase between now and then.   With this relentless barrage, your senators and representative need to hear from you."


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« Reply #23 on: July 21, 2004, 04:42:05 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Harley</i>
<br />I agree with Paco on pretty much everything except his example of the Olympic Arms AR15 at $500 - $600.  Since new AR's are currently going for $750 - $800, a decent "pre-ban" should demand the same price or slightly lower than new.  $500 - $600 is late 1980's prices and I just don't see that happening.  Now I do know where you can get a pre-ban Olympic Arms AR15 right now for $600, but it's a beater for sure.  If you check the gun auction sites right now you'll see everybody trying to dump their pre-bans.  It's crazy, I haven't seen this many pre-bans for sale since the ban went into effect.
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My valuation of the Olympic is based on the fact that they are generally considered to be in the lower tier of Ar-15's price-wise.  You can pick up a brand new Olympic Arms AR15 for $600-650 pretty much anywhere, so one that's over 10 years old and has been well used should be below that price.

Shifty - $100 for a preban Glock mag?  I was basing my 50% drop on the prices I paid for my preban Glock mags (Glock 17).  I paid $60 for each one.  I can see them at $25-30 after the sunset (current price of LEO mags).

John, are you sure it's legal to add the +2 extensions to 10rd "postban" mags right now?  I've heard that that would be "manufacturing" a postban 12rd mag which wouldn't be legal.
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« Reply #24 on: July 21, 2004, 04:54:56 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Paco</i>
<br />John, are you sure it's legal to add the +2 extensions to 10rd "postban" mags right now?  I've heard that that would be "manufacturing" a postban 12rd mag which wouldn't be legal.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Is that kind of like how its illegal to link more than 10 rounds of linked ammunition if they weren't linked together before 1994? [:P]
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« Reply #25 on: July 21, 2004, 06:32:20 PM »
If it was a pre-ban 10 round mag then yes, post-ban no.  If it is a post ban mag I seriously doubt installing a +2 extension would do any good.  All the post ban 10rd mags I've seen have some type of permanent restriction built into them preventing you from loading anything more than 10rds period.
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« Reply #26 on: July 21, 2004, 06:35:45 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Basher</i>
<br />Is $20 a good price for NIW USGI 30 round mags with green followers? I don't mean to jack the thread, but I was just wondering. I don't think they could be had much cheaper, even after the ban set. And yes, this price is current. Thanks, guys!
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Wait till after Sept Basher.  I use to buy NIW GI 30rd mags for less than $5 before the ban.  When the AWB sunsets you should be able to buy used mags for around $5 and NIW for around $10.
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« Reply #27 on: July 22, 2004, 03:25:26 AM »
Harley,I have post-bans,I know its illegal to add a +2 to them.They do fit,Ive tried it.

Paco,I don't know where you got a pre-ban hi cap for a glock for 60 bux.Is it a factory mag?At the gun shows and some gun stores Ive been to they are 80 to 100 bux(factory) depending on the model.I have a scherer brand 15 round that works good...cost 40 bux.
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« Reply #28 on: July 22, 2004, 06:09:09 AM »
Yep, Glock factory mags (2) that I bought from the EE on AR15.com
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« Reply #29 on: July 22, 2004, 07:27:57 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by SHIFTY1944</i>
<br />Harley,I have post-bans,I know its illegal to add a +2 to them.They do fit,Ive tried it.

Paco,I don't know where you got a pre-ban hi cap for a glock for 60 bux.Is it a factory mag?At the gun shows and some gun stores Ive been to they are 80 to 100 bux(factory) depending on the model.I have a scherer brand 15 round that works good...cost 40 bux.
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I'm sure they fit, but do they work and actually add 2 more rounds.  Like I said, most post ban mags I've seen have some kind of permanent restriction built into them to prevent you from making them capabile of adding more rounds.  My FN49 for example has laser cuts on the mag so that if I were to try to remove the indentations that restrict the mag to 10rds, the mag would literally break into 2 pieces.  I'm sure on the Glock mags there is something similar as it was mandated by the ATF that all post ban civilian mags have something similar done to them.

I agree with Paco, I've seen some pre-ban Glock mags for $50 to $60 myself.  Now the 30rd Glock mags can go for $100 and I know where there are some right now at $95.
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