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Offline KamikazeSM

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« on: September 10, 2004, 04:14:06 PM »
I just checked out that site that Gixser posted, and man, is that new ban proposal scary (the "AWB & LEPA 2003").  I would like to sit back and hope that everything goes well and that it doesn't get passed, but for those of you have been into firearms for much longer than I, what can I do to fight something like this?  

Previously, I always saw the AWB and anti-gun measures as a nebulous "bad", but for some reason reading through the anti-gun propaganda really drove home to me how this isn's just a fight for someone else's rights to firearms, but rather that its a fight for mine and fellow Americans, not only for our gun rights, but for our freedom as well.  For those of you younger guys who have never really examined this issue in your own personal context, I urge you to fight for your own liberties and examine the propaganda for yourself and see through the lies, so that you can see what's really at stake here.
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« Reply #1 on: September 10, 2004, 04:28:31 PM »
propaganda and lies are the only thing the anti guns guy have to fight us with



Welcome to the fight KamikazeSM
To see the lies Is to see the truth
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« Reply #2 on: September 10, 2004, 04:35:01 PM »
Since when did the 'semi-automatic 30 bullet weapon' kill that man's son? He could have just as easily been killed with a knife, or a shovel, or a peice of glass..
Why are we blaming the tools used to do the killings, and not the killers?
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« Reply #3 on: September 10, 2004, 05:01:24 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by gixser13</i>
<br />At the same time(1998-2001 ed. cochise), terrorist training manuals found in Afghanistan and available on web sites around the world urge terrorists to come to the United States, obtain assault weapons, and then learn how to use them against us.
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Good thing they're banned...oh wait [V]
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« Reply #4 on: September 10, 2004, 05:04:29 PM »
while i am completely neutral on this whole issue (i dont come from a gun family, and i have never used anything besides a 9mm, .22, and a 30-30), i do think that they take a lot of the stuff to far.  this is what got me.

A new analysis of FBI data has found that from 1998 through 2001, one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty was killed with an assault weapon.

FOr some reason, I think thats BS.  More than anything, most cops are killed with their own damn glock!  And if they are killed with assault weapons, those are the ones that are bought on the black market that the AS Ban couldn't stop anyways.
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« Reply #5 on: September 10, 2004, 05:45:44 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by KamikazeSM</i>
<br />for those of you have been into firearms for much longer than I, what can I do to fight something like this?  

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Join the NRA. Sounds simple, buts its the first thing to do. Those 4-5 million votes represented by NRA members sway politicians minds. Second, write your congressman. Sounds old fashioned and quaint but the very fact that you took time to do it can help sway opinion. Thirdly, let your friends and family know what time of bullcrap this really is. Get some real info on crime rates and gun usage. Influence those in your "sphere of influence". Those are just my thoughts.
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« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2004, 06:02:56 PM »
What?! They said you can buy an AK47 for $169, where did they find that deal? Must be another twisted fact (or straight out lie) spread to the unsuspecting masses.
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« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2004, 06:20:01 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Under_Fire</i>
<br />What?! They said you can buy an AK47 for $169, where did they find that deal? Must be another twisted fact (or straight out lie) spread to the unsuspecting masses.
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I wouldn't buy an airsoft gun ever again, if i was able to get an AK-47 for 169 bucks. And what kind of moron buys a 170 dollar pair of "sneakers"!
Alot of assualt weapons don't do as much damage as some regular weaponry. Load a shotgun with slugs, that is just as dangerous as owning an SKS, in my opinion. Why don't they talk about pistols? Pistols are stolen every day, then gangsters turn around and sell them for 50 bucks. That, in my opinon is more of a problem.
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« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2004, 06:22:13 PM »
I'm sure they were talking about illegal guns. Not off-the shelf ones. I've been offered mac-10's & ar-15's for under $300
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« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2004, 06:25:12 PM »
Hmmmm. Selling pistols for $50, what does that remind you of? The Clinton "buy back" program, of course! What a great play on ideas. Since the US government is "buying them back" doesn't that carry the connotation that they were US Government Property in the first place? I love how politicians twist and/or redefine words! Just shows how slick Willy really was!
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« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2004, 06:32:54 PM »
Heres an article from a link on that sight. I find it quite humorous as their main "witness" shows himself to be hypocrytical just in the article!

Demand drives sale of assault-style weapons#65532;

By Mary Beth Schneider
mary.beth.schneider@indystar.com
August 19, 2004
Don Davis has been telling TV audiences for years how he loves to sell guns -- but even he thinks the semiautomatic rifle used to kill an Indianapolis officer Wednesday and wound four others should be outlawed.
"They're terrible," said Davis, owner of Don's Guns, 3807 Lafayette Road.
And, he added, "I sell them like crazy."
In 1993, Davis said he would stop selling the weapons, which have military features allowing rapid, accurate firing. He burned 44 AK-47s in a pit to make his point.
Four years later, he began selling them again. He said politicians bowed to pressure from groups like the National Rifle Association to keep the weapons legal.
He said there was just too much demand for the AK-47, which sells for about $300 and the cheaper $150 knockoff, the SKS -- both of which are imported.
Police say an SKS was used to kill Patrolman Timothy "Jake" Laird early Wednesday.
"They're all legal, and we sell them every day to 18-year-olds," Davis said. "Isn't that terrible?"
Davis said they aren't used for hunting.
But they are used in crimes -- including the slayings of law-enforcement officers.
A study by the Violence Policy Center, a national nonprofit educational foundation based in Washington, found 41 officers, including three in Indiana, were killed in the line of duty from 1998 through 2001 with assault-style weapons such as the AK-47 and SKS.
Wendy Osborne, an FBI special agent for the Indianapolis office, said rifles were used to kill 10 of the 52 officers slain nationwide in 2003 and five of the 32 officers slain this year as of July 31.
Statistics on how often the semiautomatic rifles are used in crimes couldn't be obtained from the FBI or the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
But Mike Vergon, acting resident agent in charge of the Indianapolis ATF field office, said they are frequently used in crimes.
The assault-style weapons are banned in Gary and East Chicago. State Rep. Vernon Smith, D-Gary, said he sponsored the ordinance in the 1980s that outlawed them in Gary and has been trying for 12 years to persuade the Indiana General Assembly to follow that lead.
He doubts this latest shooting alone will change minds.
"The NRA and the gun proponents are a strong force," he said. "Unfortunately, it will take these tragic events, and maybe somebody shooting in the Statehouse, to make people understand we don't need to make these types of weapons available."
State Sen. Bob Meeks, R-LaGrange, served 25 years as an Indiana State Police trooper, retiring in 1981.
In his first reaction to the news of the shootings, he said he thought the AK-47 already was illegal in Indiana.
"It ought to be illegal," he said, referring to any assault-style weapon that can pierce an officer's bullet-proof vest. "I don't see any good reason to have one of them."
But Meeks said lawmakers shouldn't overreact by rushing laws onto the books.
He's a gun advocate who owns an M-1 rifle. Last session, he co-sponsored a bill, passed overwhelmingly and signed into law by Gov. Joe Kernan, to protect gun owners from being sued if their weapons are stolen and used in a crime.
Davis, for one, doesn't think Laird's killing will spur lawmakers to ban the weapons.
"Nah," he said. "They'll talk about it a couple of days. The next day they'll be talking about something else."
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« Reply #11 on: September 10, 2004, 07:18:17 PM »
Don Davis is a real POS.  He is no friend to gun owners.  The man sells gold-plated Ravens...makes you wonder who he makes most of his money from.
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« Reply #12 on: September 10, 2004, 07:25:10 PM »
Did you see the part in the "Gun industry's Vision of America" where they said you could get an AK-47 (thiers had a nice banana clip too) for $169?
Where...? Becuase if I can find one for that cheap, I want to go buy it.

I'm certianly glad to see that the gun industry has a vision of affordable firearms for the future. [:)]
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« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2004, 10:42:17 PM »
hey, wouldnt it be ironic if we all showed up to their head quarters and stabbed them to death?   i think that would be worthwhile.  ok but really, i dont understand why someones right to feel unthreatened by me owning a gun should override my right to own one.  it's  really silly.  jesus.
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« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2004, 10:53:20 PM »
More people have been killed for there religious belief and Race by the sword then guns , Doctors kill more people per year then guns,dogs kill more people per year then guns,Drunk Drivers kill more people per year then guns,(not talking wars talking about here in the US OF A ) Do you see my point here.
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