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Offline leakingpen

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« Reply #45 on: September 15, 2004, 01:00:06 PM »
harley, personally, the line, well regulated militia, yeah, that gives the right to regulate.
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« Reply #46 on: September 15, 2004, 01:02:54 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Ruiner</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by leadmagnet</i>
<br />No offense but I find it ridiculous that some of you are even sitting there calling semi-automatic rifles "assault weapons".  They're just friggen semi-automatic rifles for cryin out loud.

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well if i remember correctly this topic is about the 'assult weapons' ban.. which banned certain SEMI-AUTOMATIC weapons.  Lead you know the ASSULT WEAPON ban had nothign to do with full auto right?
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You really don't get it, do ya?  Of course "assault weapon" doesn't refer to a full auto weapon.  We're talking about semi-automatic weapons ergonomically arranged.  Ok, well maybe the flash suppressor is a little more than ergonomics.  

But my point is, why use the left's demagoguery
to describe a simple semi-automatic firearm?

Lead
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« Reply #47 on: September 15, 2004, 01:07:35 PM »
Lead is correct.  Let's do this, when ever referring to deadly semi auto guns refer to them in quotes, "assault weapon" to emphisize the government and media's labeling and not ours.
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« Reply #48 on: September 15, 2004, 01:30:01 PM »
media labeling.  remember that.  the media is in the business to make a buck.  if they cna get people to wacth listen and read by talking about these dangerous weapons (roll eyes) then they will.  people believe the media, and thats dumb to do.
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« Reply #49 on: September 16, 2004, 07:15:48 AM »
Hello Again from the Land of the Sand and Camel.

Ok the Basic issue with any legislation the deals with ANY constitutional Right is that there is some wigle room do the the simple fact that Communication is an inprecise art. What I take "we the people..." to mean is different that what you may take it as. For Example.... <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> harley, personally, the line, well regulated militia, yeah, that gives the right to regulate.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">  Who is to regulate this?? The goverment? The people? who... I  personally DO NOT think that the National Guard is this well regulated militia, yes we (I am a National Guardsman) have our roots in the historic Minutemen, but we have progressed beyond that.  But historicly at the time of the birth of our nation the militia was nothing more than any male over the age of 17 and generally below 35 (remember shorter life expectancy) who could be called to duty when and if needed (IE crippled or handicapped would be unable to serve) for protection of village, city, county, state, or nation. Some "anti-gun" groups would have you believe that the only people Authorized by the 2nd Amendment to "Keep and Bear Arms" is the National Guard, Active Military, and the Police.

   Now a lot HAS changed since then, no longer can a small group of farmers with squirrel rifles overthrow a tyrinical goverment, before ya flip think about it, with out support of another goverment or the UN. Politics have become an International Thing, a rebelion here may effect economies over there, and next thing you know in walks the UN peacekeepers to help bring a "peaceful" solution. Yes at that point the tyranical goverment may, I'll say it again MAY be abolished, but most likely they will create the stagmire you see in places like Bosnia, Somalia, ect.  Notice I didn't even mention Explosives, RPG's, Tanks, Ect above? Those are Items that while weapons that we have been given the constitutional right to own are regulated to the point that most people don't bother, and can't afford to own them (I don't have the 1 mill USD for a M1A1 Abrams myself, do you??)


Now I do believe (based on my understanding of it) that the 2nd ammendment means that every "Citizen" of the USA is allowed to own Arms (which translates to weapons) and Bear (which means use, or display) them when needed. That is one of the laws that our founding fathers believed was the "GOD" given right in odrer to do what was nessicary to ensure your freedom and saftey (ie from robery, murder, or that band of murading natives! And that Opressive Goverment.) Now here is where most people have trouble with the constitution, yes they reconized that these are "GOD" given rights, but they only guaranteed them for US Citizens, so the right to own arms is not afforded to Felons (with our rights restored), immigrants that arn't naturalized, and minors.

That having been said, the next problem is what weapons are we allowed by "god" to keep and bear? Well honestly I don't think there is really a need for everyone to own an M1A1 Abrams, but the constitution didn't specify arms as pistol, rifle, cannon, battleship, ect, it just said arms. So legislation has been passed, and Supreme Court Rulings have been cast defining what "Arms" ment, and because most people see no need for the items that have been regulated the laws have stood todate do to "popular opinion." Unjustly some believe, and to some degree I do agree. Where the "Assult Weapon Ban" comes from is a touchy area, because it is part of an effort by several groups who have admited to wanting to remove all firearms from general public hands, for vairious reasons, thus striping us of an "unalienable right" given by the US constitution. Wiether or not, the AWB and other legislation such as Commiefonia has passed is the first step in confinscation, it still is against our constitutional rights.  

Yes Firearms are stolen and often are later used in crimes, but because I own something that someone else steals does that make me a criminal?? If I steal your car because I like it, then go out and get into an auto accident should you be held liable? I chose to take your car, and I chose to drive in a manner that was not propper, and I got into the accident. Those were all my choices, not yours. There is an Old Saying "All Locks do is keep honest people honest" if someone wants what you have bad enough, they will get to it, sooner or later. So why punish someone who has done nothing wrong for a "potental" crime?

The biggest reason to stand against the AWB renewal is it was (and is)WORTHLESS Legislation that didn't stop anything, criminals still got guns, people (unfort) still got shot in crimes, and the only ones who benifited was the Press. Yes the Media's "assualt weapons" may be used in crimes from time to time, but! They are most often used by law abiding citizens in leagal shooting, target practace, and selfdefense, not the commital of crime!



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« Reply #50 on: September 16, 2004, 07:29:40 AM »
Thanks Kevin, you reiterated everything I and others have tried to explain here.

Please be sure to give everyone a big thank you for all your sacrifices while over there.  We truly appreciate all you guys and gals efforts!
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« Reply #51 on: September 16, 2004, 09:54:36 AM »
Amen to that John!!
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« Reply #52 on: September 16, 2004, 10:09:46 AM »
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<br />  Notice I didn't even mention Explosives, RPG's, Tanks, Ect above? Those are Items that while weapons that we have been given the constitutional right to own are regulated to the point that most people don't bother, and can't afford to own them (I don't have the 1 mill USD for a M1A1 Abrams myself, do you??)
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 We have legislation to like the AWB (or had for that one) and the .50 cal law in california which will supposedly protect us. I'd just like to note that a ten year old kid could make high explosives (granted not terribly safely) with chemicals you can get for the most part at a hardware store. Anyone with a high school chem class and a little bit of research can make a delayed fuse hand grenade. Just like cars, though, no one can really outlaw these chemicals because of practicality. So this whole, "make the streets safer and the world a better place" is a bunch of bull when you can figure out how to make a pipe bomb via the internet or, with a little intuition, from your high-school chem book.
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« Reply #53 on: September 16, 2004, 10:42:18 AM »
http://www.militia-watchdog.org/faq3.htm

heres a good link.  this is where i seperate from teh mainstream here on gun rights.  i believe in requireing someone to prove they can use and store a firearm safely, and a system where someone can lose that right if they abuse it.  the 2nd ammendment was more a states rights thing, not an individual rights thing.
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« Reply #54 on: September 16, 2004, 10:58:24 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by leakingpen</i>
<br />http://www.militia-watchdog.org/faq3.htm

heres a good link.  this is where i seperate from teh mainstream here on gun rights.  i believe in requireing someone to prove they can use and store a firearm safely, and a system where someone can lose that right if they abuse it.  the 2nd ammendment was more a states rights thing, not an individual rights thing.
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""Every state ratifying a new constitution during the Revolutionary War save New Hampshire, Georgia, and New Jersey, noted the necessity for the subordination of military to civil authority, proclaimed the right and obligation of free men to bear arms, and denounced standing armies as a threat to the civil liberties of a free society...[C]onstitutional conventions sought to ensure that the states' military capacities could not become the springboard by which ambitious political authorities could subvert the constitutional order for their own political ends. Establishing the primacy of the state assemblies in military affairs provided the principal means of acheiving that goal."
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« Reply #55 on: September 10, 2004, 03:31:36 PM »
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http://www.banassaultweapons.org
Watch the Flash movie, “The Gun Industry's Vision for America,â€￾
September 13, 2004 is fast approaching.  Unless you take action, on that day the federal assault weapons ban will end.  I am writing to urge you to work for passage of the "Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2003", (H.R. 2038 and S. 1431), a bill that will not only renew, but strengthen, the federal assault weapons ban.

The need to renew the ban is clear.  There is no need for military style, semiautomatic weapons that are designed to kill as many people as possible, as quickly as possible.  Equally clear is the need to strengthen the ban.  Almost immediately after the law's passage in 1994, the gun industry began evading it, manufacturing "sporterized" weapons  just as deadly as their banned counterparts: UZIs, MAC-10s, AK-47s, AR-15s, and others.  The Bushmaster assault rifle used in the Washington, DC-area sniper shootings is just one example of a "sporterized", post-ban assault rifle used to kill and maim.

A new analysis of FBI data has found that from 1998 through 2001, one in five law enforcement officers slain in the line of duty was killed with an assault weapon.  At the same time, terrorist training manuals found in Afghanistan and available on web sites around the world urge terrorists to come to the United States, obtain assault weapons, and then learn how to use them against us.

Mr. President, you have stated that you support the current ban and its goal.  That goal is to ensure that America's law enforcement and the general public are protected from assault weapons.  To accomplish this, federal law must outlaw both pre- and post-ban assault weapons.  I urge you to take a leadership role in working to enact the "Assault Weapons Ban and Law Enforcement Protection Act of 2003."  With your support, we can keep our homes and communities safe from assault weapons.  

Mr. President, you must act now.  Time is running out.




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« Reply #56 on: August 06, 2006, 09:53:40 PM »
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...He said there was just too much demand for the AK-47, which sells for about $300 and the cheaper $150 knockoff, the SKS -- both of which are imported...


Funny how they say the SKS is an AK-47 "knockoff" when the SKS came before the AK... :lol:
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« Reply #57 on: August 06, 2006, 10:16:31 PM »
Read the date of the last post... your only a year late, that's okay ;).
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« Reply #58 on: August 07, 2006, 01:43:13 AM »
Just under 2 years, if I did the math right. ;)
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« Reply #59 on: August 07, 2006, 08:28:40 AM »
Oh well that's even better.
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