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Post by: Legs on December 15, 2003, 03:38:29 PM: Most of us might not be very willing to post our collections in detail on a public forum!!
Nice to have this new forum, though. Good show, Jason!
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Post by: CADD on December 15, 2003, 03:40:01 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Legs
 Most of us might not be very willing to post our collections in detail on a public forum!!
Nice to have this new forum, though. Good show, Jason!
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ok so only the legal stuff then. lol
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Post by: Paco on December 15, 2003, 06:23:54 PM: Sounds like someone's got the tin foil hat on! [:p]

Normally, I wouldn't think it would be an issue because you'd REALLY have to be crazy (or have some big balls) to try to rob(?) someone's house who has a lot of weapons - lol!
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Post by: Harley on December 15, 2003, 08:24:48 PM: Heck I don't mind posting. You have to get by my two very large and hungry Rotties first. [;)]

Benelli M1 Tactical with 7 shot extension
Winchester Custom .308 with Hart Barrel and Leupold VariX 4 scope
Bushmaster Mforgery with Aimpoint comp MX red dot
Imbel FN FAL carbine 7.62x51
US M2 .30cal Carbine Inland build
Custom Ruger 10/22 heavy barrel, Fajen stock
Arriving this week: Maadi ARM AK47
Pre-Ban Tec-9 9mm
Smith & Wesson SW99 .45acp
Colt Government Series 70 .38 Super
Ruger Mark I .22
Soon to be added: Post May Dealer sample Thompson M1 .45acp sub-machinegun! [:)]
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Post by: busta_cap on December 15, 2003, 08:35:48 PM: Note to self: Never venture withing 100yards of Harleys House while he's cleaning his guns. [xx(]
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Post by: TheCrow on December 15, 2003, 09:08:34 PM: The stuff I'm allowed to list:

S&W M4586 .45 ACP
Steyr M9 9mmP
Century L1A1 7.62mmN
Franchi LAW12 12ga
Maddi MISR-10 7.62mmS
Savage M64F .22LR
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Post by: Paco on December 15, 2003, 09:31:19 PM: Heckler & Koch USP 9mm Full Size
SIG Sauer P226 9mm
SIG Sauer P220 .45ACP
Glock 17C
Polytech M14S .308 (preban)
Ruger 10/22 w/bull barrel + Hogue stock
Rock River Arms M4gery (.223/5.56) w/KAC RAS + Aimpoint
DPMS AR-15 7.62x39 16" BBL
DPMS/Eagle Arms (Armalite) AR-15 (.223/5.56) 16" BBL
DPMS/RRA M4gery .22LR w/Aimpoint
Remington 700 PSS BDL .308 w/H-S Precision stock and Hvy BBL (Currently in transit via UPS)
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Post by: Mr. Joseph on December 15, 2003, 10:29:01 PM: Sig/Hammerli Trailside .22LR Pistol
Mossberg 12G (buying it tommarow)
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Post by: Legs on December 16, 2003, 12:23:13 AM: EDITED
(Back in tin foil hat mode...)
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Post by: Greg on December 16, 2003, 12:34:25 AM: After all those posts I feel really inadequate. I've currently got a Remington 710 chambered in 30-06. I'm gonna buy myself a 12 gauge and an AR-15 as soon as I have a bit more money. How much is a kidney worth on the black market?
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Post by: Legs on December 16, 2003, 01:00:44 AM: You don't need an arsenal...just a chambered round.
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Post by: CADD on December 16, 2003, 07:55:39 AM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by USMC-Greg
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lol [}:)][}:)]
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Post by: Holland on December 16, 2003, 09:10:24 AM: HK USPc in.45. I like it a lot the trigger takes some getting use to though.
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Post by: Paco on December 16, 2003, 09:42:17 AM: I haven't had my USP for long, but I don't like their proprietary closed rail system.
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Post by: azsarge on December 16, 2003, 11:30:59 AM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by busta_cap
 Note to self: Never venture withing 100yards of Harleys House while he's cleaning his guns. [xx(]
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Don't come within 100 yards of my house either...ever![:P]
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Post by: Legs on December 16, 2003, 12:01:50 PM: I am also very leary of the USP rail system. There is not enough (BY FAR) contact between the slide rails and the frame nubs. It hasn't failed yet, but I'd be happier with full rails. I have it for training purposes and I have come to like it quite a bit, but it's no SIG.
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Post by: Raven1 on December 16, 2003, 01:47:26 PM: Does Christian's Raggedy Ol Jeep back firing count as a weapon? How about at least in the "starter pistol" category At Least! HA!!
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Post by: azsarge on December 16, 2003, 03:44:13 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Raven1
 Does Christian's Raggedy Ol Jeep back firing count as a weapon? How about at least in the "starter pistol" category At Least! HA!!
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Hey! Just because it falls apart around me and makes all sort of noises over 50 does not qualify it as raggedy. And so what if I put 100 MPH tape to good use on the exterior? It adds character. [^]

Oh, and BTW, stand clear to the rear when I start that Ol Baby up! He ain't lyin', kids!
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Post by: SHIFTY1944 on December 16, 2003, 08:54:14 PM: I have a list on my profile page but hey why not
Glock 19 9mm/3.5 pound trigger
Marlin 795 .22LR,muzzlelite bullpup stock
Romanian WASR-10 AK-47 7.62x39
Mossberg 500 12 ga. 8-shot,20" barrel,syn. stock
Russian Mosin-Nagant M44,7.62x54
Czech VZ24 8mm mauser,choate syn. stock
Olympic AR-15 .223
Not to mention others that have been sold and traded in the past [:P]
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Post by: Harley on December 17, 2003, 07:09:18 AM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">
Not to mention others that have been sold and traded in the past [:P]
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Heck we'd need to create a whole new thread just for traded/sold guns. I could fill a book with my own, here's a taste.

HK MP5SD3 Navy lower, suppressed full-auto
MK760 9mm machine gun, (copy of the S&W 76)
USAS12 shotgun
4 X Armalite AR-180
Colt Delta HBAR AR-15 pre-ban
Colt SP1 AR-15 pre-ban
Bushmaster CAR15 pre-ban
Hungarian AK47 pre-ban underfolder
2 X Bushmaster AR-15
2 X American Spirit Arms AR-15
DPMS AR-15 Panther Special
Olympic Arms OA-96
SV 1911 in 40S&W
American 180 .22 semi-auto rifle
5 x Colt 1911 .45 automatics in varous models
4 x EAA Witness pistols in 9x21, 40S&W in various models
S&W 4006
Ruger Mark II
Ruger .44 carbine
G.I. M1 Carbine
Universal M1 Carbine
4 X Ruger Vaquero's in various calibers and barrel lengths
Remington 11/87 12ga
Remington 1100 12ga
Franchi Double barrel O/U 12ga
Beretta 390 semi auto 20ga
Kmart 12ga O/U
Charter Arms .38 special
Llama .380 auto
Walther PPKS .380 auto
Beretta 92 9mm
Polytech M14
Norinco NHM91 AK47
Cobray M11/9 9mm
Mossberg 500 12ga
Marlin 99 carbine
Spanish Mauser in .308
6 x various .22 caliber rifles (semi,bolt,and pump)
H&R .32cal break action revolver
Italian Carcano carbine 6mm Norma
Marlin 3030 lever action
Remington 700bdl 30.06
Remington 700adl 22.250
Ruger 77 heavy barrel 22.250
Winchester heavy barrel .243
Remington 700bdl .270

Here's a few more:

Ruger Mini14
Ruger Mini30
2X Ruger 10/22
Ruger 77/22
S&W Model 625 .45acp
S&W Model 66 .38spl
Marlin 1898 .444 Marlin
Taurus PT99 .380
Browning BDA .380
Bersa Thunder .380
Jennings .25acp
RPB MAC10/45 Open Bolt pre-ban
Winchester Model 1400 12ga
Winchester Model 12 12ga pump
US M1 Garand
Ruger Security 6 .357

I think that's almost it, maybe a handful more that I can't recall right now.

This is going back 28 years and what I can remember... there's more though. My head is hurting right now. [:(]
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Post by: HavHav on December 17, 2003, 07:10:45 AM: Wow. You guys got some nice collections. SD3? Beautiful.
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Post by: Raven1 on December 17, 2003, 09:51:05 AM: Nice Harley! I can barely remember to last week let alone 10 years!

Christian, that Jeep's gets ya where you're going in your own unique "style!" I lOVE IT!!!! (In French Accent)
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Post by: azsarge on December 17, 2003, 12:06:59 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Harley
[brHK MP5SD3 Navy lower, suppressed full-auto
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Also known as the SD6 in the airsoft world. (For reasons that are still beyond me)[:P]

I had the chance to fire an SD2 with SEF group a long while ago. Fun Times![}:)]
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Post by: Screwloose on December 17, 2003, 02:12:08 PM: Wow I feel so simple now.
Glock 26
Glock 19
Beretta 9000s
Kel-Tec Sub2000 glock 9mm style
Remington 870
AR-15
Various old 6 guns.
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Post by: azsarge on December 17, 2003, 02:59:47 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Screwloose
 Wow I feel so simple now.
Glock 26
Glock 19
Beretta 9000s
Kel-Tec Sub2000 glock 9mm style
Remington 870
AR-15
Various old 6 guns.

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A well thought-out collection, Frank. All you need is a 1911[;)]
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Post by: Mr. Joseph on December 17, 2003, 03:57:14 PM: Hey harley, how much did you pay for a suppressed full auto mp5, and how much was taxes on that?
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Post by: Basher on December 17, 2003, 04:04:00 PM: Oh, why not.

Winchester M70 in .308 (soon to have a Leupy VariX-III 4.5-14x40AO)
Remington 1100 in 20g (I LOVE this thing!)
Beretta M96 .40S&W
S&W 422 .22LR (Pre-ban, LOL).

Soon to have a Savage MkII LV .22LR with Bushnell 4.12x40AO provided the seller gets his driver's license copy to my FFL in the near future (ie., this year, literally)! Probably got lost in the mail. [:(]
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Post by: Paco on December 17, 2003, 06:01:07 PM: Mr. Joseph, the federal tax stamp on all Class III/NFA items (excepting AOW items) are $200 regardless of how much you pay for it.
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Post by: Harley on December 17, 2003, 06:31:22 PM: The MP5 was 10K before sales tax. The transfer tax on that beast was $400, double tax stamp since it was suppressed, $200 for the gun, $200 for the suppressor.
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Post by: Harley on December 17, 2003, 06:50:09 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by azsarge
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[brHK MP5SD3 Navy lower, suppressed full-auto
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Also known as the SD6 in the airsoft world. (For reasons that are still beyond me)[:P]

I had the chance to fire an SD2 with SEF group a long while ago. Fun Times![}:)]
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For the same unknown reason why Marui labels their M4 as an A1 when in fact it's an A3.
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Post by: Raith on December 17, 2003, 06:58:19 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Harley
 For the same unknown reason why Marui labels their M4 as an A1 when in fact it's an A3.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

The real weapon that the Marui M4A1 is replicating does have a military nomenclature of M4A1. The flattop, full auto capable M16 Rifle is an M16A3, but the flattop, full auto M4 Carbine is an M4A1. I don't know why there isn't consistency in these other than because the M4A1 was the first revision. (hence A1, I guess)

We create a firearms forum and here we are talking about airsoft in it. [:P]

EDIT: Furthermore, (As I understand it, anyways) the suffix designations (A1, A2, etc) are descriptive of the trigger group, and to a lesser extent, the sights. M16A1s have the older style sights (A1 style) and full auto capability. M16A2s have the newer sights and 3 round burst. A3s have full auto and a flattop. A4s have 3 round burst and a flattop. What lots of people seem to do is link the looks of the weapon to its designation, which you can't really do in this case. There are many A1s still around, but likely they "look" like A2s with a swapped out upper, round handguards, etc.
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Post by: Harley on December 17, 2003, 08:28:13 PM: I'll have to debate you on that one Matt. I'm sure I've seen them designated as A1, A2, and A3 by the upper receiver style. More to follow.
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Post by: azsarge on December 18, 2003, 12:32:16 AM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Harley
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[brHK MP5SD3 Navy lower, suppressed full-auto
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Also known as the SD6 in the airsoft world. (For reasons that are still beyond me)[:P]

I had the chance to fire an SD2 with SEF group a long while ago. Fun Times![}:)]
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For the same unknown reason why Marui labels their M4 as an A1 when in fact it's an A3.
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The Marui gun is indeed an M4A1. There is no rifle in US inventory with the designation M4A2/A3/etc. Now, mind you, civilian designations are different, and are SOMETIMES indicative of the trigger group (lower), but the Military does it differently. It goes in sequence, whatver changes are made are labled as the next sequential number (ie, the next M4 variant, no matter the changes, will be the M4A2). Civilian variants are all screwed up numerically, with M4gery's, M15's, AR15's, SR16's, uppers, lowers, pre-ban, post-ban, and all kinds of god-awful legal restrictions on firearms. It all makes for one FUBAR designation system. It cannot be done systematically, nor objectively. There are too many variables.

As far as weapons are concerned, I could care less about civilian firearm designations. If it's Military I will call it by what it is (M4A1, M16A4, etc). If I buy as a civvie, its JUST an AR15.

Now, about that Marui. The traits of Safe/Semi/Full lower, flattop upper reciever, etc denote it as an M4A1. The 14.5 inch, notched, 1/7 twist barrel, double heat shield forward handgrip is what makes it an M4. The original M4 (non A1, referred to as the Model 720) had these same characteristics, but with a fixed carry handle (most of the time), and A2 style sights. The Model 720 was sometimes referred to as the M16A2 Carbine, due to it's similarities, one of which was the shared reciever. Of course the M16A2 has a 3-round burst limiter, as did the Original M4 (Model 720). The later model, the M4A1, had full auto capability. Some versions of the M4 was fitted with a flattop reciever, but was made standard for A1 variants. Hell, I have even seen 733's with flat-tops. Oh, and there was a Model 723 that used the M16A1 reciever, but not many existed, so I won't go into that. My point is that all rifles have thier own designations. Some are similar, but some aren't. The M4A1 designation is somethng marui got right.

Now, while I'm at it (fell free to correct me):
MP5 A1-safe/semi/full trigger group. No stock.
MP5 A2-safe/semi/full. Fixed stock.
MP5 A3-safe/semi/full. Collapsible stock.
MP5 A4-safe/semi/3 rd/full. No Stock.
MP5 A5-safe/semi/3 rd/full. Fixed Stock
MP5 A6-safe/semi/3 rd/full. Collapsible stock.

The SD series corresponds with these. No difference if the A1-A3 is labled as SEF, instead of the pictoral labels. The airsoft designations are completely screwed up, and I cannot for the life of me figure out what the heck they were thinking. Also, due to the lack of 3 rd burst MP5 weapons in airsoft, nothing over A3 (or SD3) exists [in airsoft], despite the incorrect AEG lables. As far as I know, the designations are the same for all MP5 weapons, whether they are in civilian or military use. This excludes the MP5 SF, which is Single Fire (not Special Forces). An MP5 Navy is simply a A2 or A3 with a special Flash Hider (and other small, mainly internal, differences). Now, I could be wrong, or be excluding something. This info is the result of my thirst for the truth, and is a result of hours of cross-referencing my numbers. It's not just from one book or website. John, you owned one. Whats your input?

I know better than to argue with someone about civilian firearms (especially YOU, John!), but military hardware has always interested me. I am pretty sure the info presented here is sound. Feel free to correct me if it is anything but.

Cheers, and I'm out!
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Post by: Harley on December 18, 2003, 07:06:47 AM: Well there you got then. Anything after an M16A1E2 is beyond what I've had actual experience with so thanks for the history lesson Christian.
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Post by: Raith on December 18, 2003, 10:29:52 AM: Yes, Christian should be right. He puts it much more elegantly than I did.

Another Marui misnomer is the M733. Colt calls it an RO733, and the military designation probably isn't M733 anyways. And I think a 733 would've had A1 style sights and no brass deflector. (IIRC) So the Marui M733 might be closer to a 933, but I don't quite remember.

There are so many designations that can differ between what the manufacturer names their stuff, what the military calls it, and what the "civilian" market calls it that its hard to keep track of what is what.

This is all a bit too type A for most people, I'm sure. [:P]
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Post by: Raven1 on December 18, 2003, 11:32:05 AM: The adult butterfly tastes with it's hind feet!
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Post by: Harley on December 18, 2003, 12:44:57 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Raven1
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And that just in from our Discovery Channel friends. [:)]
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Post by: SHIFTY1944 on December 18, 2003, 09:53:17 PM: C'mon lets not get airsoft and real steel mixed up in this area.This is a FIREARMS only area.
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Post by: Harley on December 18, 2003, 10:06:13 PM: Now now shifty, every day is an oportunity to learn something new. In this example we learned a lot from both the Real Steel world and the Airsoft world. Never pass up an opportunity to learn something, it may just save your life.

Now, who else has some "what do you have" items to list???
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Post by: ocmsrzr on December 19, 2003, 12:07:44 AM: Can anyone play this game? lol
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Post by: SHIFTY1944 on December 21, 2003, 02:27:05 AM: Now that everyone has posted their list of toys...we need to set up a real steel shoot day.Whos with me?
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Post by: TheCrow on December 21, 2003, 09:07:50 AM: Harley already posted one. The shoot was yesterday.
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Post by: busta_cap on December 21, 2003, 10:26:57 AM: Haha Shifty, thats what you get for not checking the active topics thoroughly. Well on a side note, that really sucks.
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Post by: Basher on December 21, 2003, 05:35:15 PM: Well, how about scheduling one for January? I'll be 18 by then, and more than happy to go out to the range for a while. I'll need to zero my new Leupy! [:D]
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Post by: Harley on December 22, 2003, 07:57:44 AM: There will be lots of shoots coming up Basher. Paco has a new web site he's working on dedicated to Everything real steel related in AZ. I'll let him fill you guys in on the rest.
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Post by: SHIFTY1944 on December 22, 2003, 04:34:46 PM: Busta,haha to you.Whens the last time you went shooting?I have been almost every weekend since halloween! I would have went but I was in mexico.So put that in your pipe and smoke it!
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Post by: Paco on December 22, 2003, 05:05:35 PM: I just picked up my Remington 700 PSS BDL today. Wow... I love it. I'm itching to shoot it, but it's probably going to be a couple weeks before I get the chance. [:(] I have just been B-U-S-Y lately. I bought my USP a couple weeks ago and STILL haven't shot that one yet. Doh.

Pics of the M700 on the way!
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Post by: busta_cap on December 22, 2003, 06:18:17 PM: [B)]
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Post by: Harley on December 23, 2003, 07:06:29 AM: Don't feel bad Paco, if I went through that list of guns I've sold/traded, you'd laugh at how many of them I never got to shoot. Some of them I owned for quite a while too! Heck I just took that .308 I bought off Panco out to the range for the first time this past weekend and I bought that back in March I think.
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Post by: Paco on December 23, 2003, 08:18:33 AM: My new Remington 700 PSS BDL in .308. I have a Leupold base on it with Leupold rings. The scope on it in the pics is a 3-12 x 50 Simmons (ick) while I am waiting for my Springfield Armory one to arrive. It's dressed in a H-S Precision kevalr stock with a hinged floorplate and palm swell (just like on the M-24 but without the adjustable stock). I also picked up a 10x42 Tasco Super Sniper Scope (30mm tube) in a trade.

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Post by: CADD on December 23, 2003, 09:08:06 AM: paco how much was that beauty?
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Post by: Harley on December 23, 2003, 09:20:38 AM: Nice.
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Post by: Paco on December 23, 2003, 09:59:23 AM: Well, I have been on a quest for a while to get a "precision" rifle. Ideally, I would've loved to buy a Remington M24 (which is a Remington 700 with a 5R barrel) but I didn't have the $5-8K to spare. I didn't want to spend a lot - under 1K with everything, but I wanted something that was out-of-the-box accurate, upgradeable and looked "tactical". I also wanted it to be chambered in .308, and I already have an M14S; I wanted a bolt gun. After some recomendations and research, I decided that a Remington 700 VSS, PSS, P or LTR was for me, or a Savage 10FP or Tikka T3. I couldn't really find any Tikka's to my liking, so I skipped that. They weren't too upgradeable - well not like the Remington's anyway. The Savage 10FP was only about $450 brand new, and came with a great trigger and crappy stock. I wanted a different stock anyway, so that wasn't a big deal to me, and the price was appealing. It came in a 20" barrel version or 24" barrel version. I knew that I wanted the 24" barrel on a bolt action - it seemed to look the best and was the best compromise between accuracy and portability. Then, I read about all the stuff that goes into changing out a stock, and how when you put a new one on, you have to tighten the scres to an "exact" strength (usually 65 lbs) and then there was the "bedding" of the stock - glass, aluminum, etc... too much for me to want to deal with, so I figured I'd better look for one with the stock on it that I want. Despite the good price, that nixed the Savage 10FP, so I started looking for a Remington. I wanted a 5R, but those are VERY rare for civilians and aren't cheap, so I gave up on that one. Now a new Remington was in the lineup. Remington no longer made the "PSS" model - they converted it to the "P" model, changed it to an "ADL" stock (no hinged floorplate), and lengthened the barrel to 26" with no option for a shorter one. The VSS was the exact same as the "P" except for the color of the stock. Both had nice H-S Precision stocks, but the VSS one was grey and the P one was black. I wanted black, but I also didn't want a 26" barrel, so I looked at the LTR model. It only has a 20" barrel, but has the same stock except in BDL config, as the "P" model. Still, not what I wanted. I figured that I'd have to try to find the no-longer-made "PSS" series. Remington marketed the PSS (when they made it) ONLY to law enforcement, so it wouldn't be TOO easy to find the one I wanted. To make a long story short, I found a few PSS's, but found one in particular that had all the features I wanted and at a decent price. I got it from a guy in Michigan who used it in matches very little, and it had been in his safe for over 8 years. I snatched it up (even came with the original box). It had all the features I wanted - the H-S Precision stock, palm swell, BDL (hinged floorplate) config, three sling studs, .308, 24" barrel (crowned), and he even had the rifle parkerized rather than blued! The barrel was a medium profile barrel (like on the M40), and he had some trigger work done. All in all, it weighs 10 lbs (which was the limit for the shooting matches he used it in), had only about 100 rounds through it (8 years ago) and looks pretty much brand new. I threw on a BHI buttstock pouch and cheek rest and the Harris bipod. The trigger is NICE and the action is very smooth. I can't wait to fire it.
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Post by: Raven1 on December 23, 2003, 10:52:39 AM: The Moral of the stories kiddies is that patience IS A Virtue!! Know what you want and don't let anything stop you,, this is what I love about this country, if you have the money you can do just about anything,,,
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Post by: Legs on December 23, 2003, 09:56:27 PM: A nice bolt gun is a wonderful thing, yes. Let us know how it shoots. My Robinson Carbine ate 635 rounds last Saturday. Two "failure to feed" hiccups technically, though an adjustment to the gas regulator cleared that up. No jams and after John gave the sights some loving the accuracy is great. We fired off the last 235 rounds as fast as I could swap out the mags and it rocked. That torture test told me eveything I needed to know about the gun. It's staying put and holds a sweet spot in my heart now. Best rifle I've owned yet, and that, my friends, is a freaking long list. Kudos to Robinson. I am proud to be shooting a reliable American made rifle at long last.
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Post by: Pancho on December 23, 2003, 11:17:38 PM: Jason....we have to go shooting, you and I. My Ruger and I are needing some competition ;)
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Post by: Pancho on December 23, 2003, 11:19:44 PM: John, how do you like that Winchester???
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Post by: Harley on December 24, 2003, 06:47:28 AM: It's NICE... I'll meet you and Jason at the range for some prarie dog shooting!
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Post by: Paco on December 24, 2003, 07:30:42 AM: I'll be at Ben Avery the morning of the 26th from about 7am until about 9am, trying out a few of my new toys. [:)]
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Post by: Pancho on December 24, 2003, 08:25:13 AM: I got meetings in the morning and work later (no rest for the weary)....I'll have to catch up w/ you two another time, but it will be great fun! If we can coordinate something w/ a week or two advanced notice, then I can alter my schedule for you two. :)
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Post by: Harley on December 24, 2003, 01:08:46 PM: Frank there's a shoot at the Casa Grande range on January 3rd that I was planning on going to. See if you can make it.
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Post by: Ninja on December 24, 2003, 01:15:04 PM: Hmm...quite a rivalry developing. The Ruger, the Remington, and the Winchester...
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Post by: Pancho on December 24, 2003, 01:39:04 PM: Bart, all are equally as good...it is in whose hands the weapon is, that makes all the difference... :)
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Post by: Pancho on December 24, 2003, 01:41:35 PM: What time on the 3rd, John? Saturday is "game day" for me, but if it is early enough, I can try to squeeze it in!
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Post by: Harley on December 24, 2003, 01:47:09 PM: It starts at 6 am although the sun won't be until 7:30. You could squeeze in a couple hours before the game.
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Post by: Pancho on December 24, 2003, 01:53:22 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by azsarge
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Harley
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by azsarge
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Harley
[brHK MP5SD3 Navy lower, suppressed full-auto
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Also known as the SD6 in the airsoft world. (For reasons that are still beyond me)[:P]

I had the chance to fire an SD2 with SEF group a long while ago. Fun Times![}:)]
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For the same unknown reason why Marui labels their M4 as an A1 when in fact it's an A3.
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The Marui gun is indeed an M4A1. There is no rifle in US inventory with the designation M4A2/A3/etc.

blah blah blah blah

As far as weapons are concerned, I could care less about civilian firearm designations. If it's Military I will call it by what it is (M4A1, M16A4, etc). If I buy as a civvie, its JUST an AR15.

blah blah blah blah

Now, while I'm at it (fell free to correct me):
MP5 A1-safe/semi/full trigger group. No stock.
MP5 A2-safe/semi/full. Fixed stock.
MP5 A3-safe/semi/full. Collapsible stock.
MP5 A4-safe/semi/3 rd/full. No Stock.
MP5 A5-safe/semi/3 rd/full. Fixed Stock
MP5 A6-safe/semi/3 rd/full. Collapsible stock.

blah blah blah blah

Feel free to correct me if it is anything but.

Cheers, and I'm out!
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I can't wait to get my hands on the new M4A6z42 with the XY24/7:365 Day/Night scope that is going to be chambered in .455 Nitro Express.

[:D]
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Post by: Paco on December 24, 2003, 04:29:39 PM: Uh, lol... okay...

Ruger vs Remington vs Winchester huh? I can honestly say that I don't think I will EVER be able to shoot up to the potential that the rifle I just bought, has - unfortunately. I guess that can be a good thing, or a bad thing, as I'll never "outgrow" it.
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Post by: Legs on December 26, 2003, 12:10:57 AM: Jason, that is perhaps the best attitude you can possibly have regarding shooting when you own a quality firearm. I have never "outshot" my weapons, and practicing to "be able to do so" has given me nearly 20 years of enjoyment!
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Post by: azsarge on December 27, 2003, 06:58:34 PM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Pancho
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by azsarge
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Harley
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by azsarge
 <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Harley
[brHK MP5SD3 Navy lower, suppressed full-auto
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Also known as the SD6 in the airsoft world. (For reasons that are still beyond me)[:P]

I had the chance to fire an SD2 with SEF group a long while ago. Fun Times![}:)]
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

For the same unknown reason why Marui labels their M4 as an A1 when in fact it's an A3.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote">

The Marui gun is indeed an M4A1. There is no rifle in US inventory with the designation M4A2/A3/etc.

blah blah blah blah

As far as weapons are concerned, I could care less about civilian firearm designations. If it's Military I will call it by what it is (M4A1, M16A4, etc). If I buy as a civvie, its JUST an AR15.

blah blah blah blah

Now, while I'm at it (fell free to correct me):
MP5 A1-safe/semi/full trigger group. No stock.
MP5 A2-safe/semi/full. Fixed stock.
MP5 A3-safe/semi/full. Collapsible stock.
MP5 A4-safe/semi/3 rd/full. No Stock.
MP5 A5-safe/semi/3 rd/full. Fixed Stock
MP5 A6-safe/semi/3 rd/full. Collapsible stock.

blah blah blah blah

Feel free to correct me if it is anything but.

Cheers, and I'm out!
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I can't wait to get my hands on the new M4A6z42 with the XY24/7:365 Day/Night scope that is going to be chambered in .455 Nitro Express.

[:D]
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Hey, at least now you know![}:)] If that's too much for you, don't read it.
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Post by: Harley on January 14, 2004, 06:33:57 AM: <blockquote id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Legs
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(Back in tin foil hat mode...)
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LOL
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Post by: CADD on December 15, 2003, 02:53:15 PM: I am curious what all in real steal is owned by this sites members.

For me I only have my Benelli 12GA Nova pump right now.

The rest of my collection is in my fathers posetion in New York and will be willed to me once he does the world a favor of leaving it.

Of THAT collection is is an assortment of about 40-45 hand guns, 3 rifles and 2 shot guns. I will try to recollect what they were.