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thoughts on FPS limits.
« on: March 29, 2011, 11:40:40 PM »
does anyone really care for the limits certain feilds put on guns. personally i dont care for them. its a game of realistic tactial situations. as long as youre wearing a full face mask the FPS shouldnt really matter. it does not hurt so bad that you need everyone to have identically performing guns, whats even the point of upgrading/customizing a gun if you wont be able to use it where you like?
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Re: thoughts on FPS limits.
« Reply #1 on: March 29, 2011, 11:56:10 PM »
Quote from: "pkuparker"
does anyone really care for the limits certain feilds put on guns. personally i dont care for them. its a game of realistic tactial situations. as long as youre wearing a full face mask the FPS shouldnt really matter. it does not hurt so bad that you need everyone to have identically performing guns, whats even the point of upgrading/customizing a gun if you wont be able to use it where you like?

you've obviously never been lit up at close range with a hot gun.
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Re: thoughts on FPS limits.
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2011, 12:32:22 AM »
Quote from: "pkuparker"
does anyone really care for the limits certain feilds put on guns. personally i dont care for them. its a game of realistic tactial situations. as long as youre wearing a full face mask the FPS shouldnt really matter. it does not hurt so bad that you need everyone to have identically performing guns, whats even the point of upgrading/customizing a gun if you wont be able to use it where you like?

You are a classic example of my old dick-up war scenario. In essence it is my belief that any play who: A: COnstantly Bitches and moans about field FPS limits being too low B: Try's to host games with an unreasonably high FPS limit, and then takes offence, and a defensive position when called on it, claiming others are "Just pussys" or "its perfectly safe"
Are the winners of dick-off contests with friends.

 IE the ones that saw there buddies getting newer guns, or was sick of being the lowest fps regardless of performance, and thus, not using there noggins, this individual, or the group, summarily engage in an FPS race to see which of the dumb monkeys can outbuy/upgrade/or rig there guns to the highest fps the fastest.

This usually results in the dissolving of the group as personal rivalries and pain come into play, and either as an attempt to gain new players sympathetic to its cause, or to try and justify its actions, the winner of this high FPS dickoff, manages to wander onto the only resource he has left, the forum he ran across in his search to punch holes in the moon, and quickly puts his thoughts into writing, claiming he is the winner, and correct, because his gun shoots the fastest, and since his friends no longer can take it, they must be pussies, and unworthy of attention.

It is at this stage that the specimen decides to seek other players in "real" arenas, and begins to find several locale fields.

BUT, to his immediate dismay, when he looks them up, or arrives to play, they won't allow him to use his super FPS rifle!! And no one gives him the attention his tiny masculinity craves in compensation.

This leads him to assume that the field, like his old friends, is just a bunch of babies and weaklings, and that he is the only true airsofter among us, as only has a rifle that others are unwilling to play with.

And rather than take the time to admit his mistake, man up, and lower his guns fps, he simply stretches out in his arrogance, and lays his manhood from A to Z on the keyboard, and begins a typing FPS war with any who disagree.

That is the life cycle of the dickoff FPS contest airsofter, one of the many situations in todays world where the winner  ends up as a total loser. (If they weren't before, usually 50/50)

I have found this theorem to be true in 8/10 cases.

FPS limits are there as a safeguard, and trust me, you do benefit from them. Also, many fields allow variable FPS, with MED and fire restrictions. And since the main part of a guns accuracy comes from the hopup and barrel, not FPS, within reason, a player doesn't need above a certain fps to reach out and hit his targets. Shredding bushes, and the use of a higher weight pellet are about the only two things that come to mind. 300ish ft is currently the wall, regardless of FPS.

Let me put this too you a different way.

I own a Dragunov SVD DMR. It is shooting the TAC legal limit of 620fps with .20 gram pellets.

At 150ft I can break a glass window, at point blank it can punch through both sides of a two liter plastic soda bottle, and some brands of bicycle tires.

DO you really want me to be allowed to hit you with that at whatever range I please? Seriously?
500Fps embeded a pellet into someones head at a recent vanguard game. (Thank god Ron is ok  =D> )
What the hell do you think 620fps is going to do to you? With semi-auto, I can put several well aimed shots on a target in a matter of seconds, do you really want that coming at you from 5 feet? How tough is your skin compared with a soda bottle?

FPS limits are there to protect you, and all the other players around you. Airsoft is about HONOR, INTEGRITY, and general all around FUN.

Lets not destroy our core principles with a pointless FPS battle. We are there, to collect, show off our kit, and make sure everyone has a good time, thats what its all about.

Not seeing how badly you can hurt your friends with your stupidly upgraded rifle.

Play smarter, and think of the safety of others, and how it pertains to every action you take, and you will go far in this sport.

But more importantly, get out there and have some fun. Safe fun for everyone.
Its what this sport is all about.
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Re: thoughts on FPS limits.
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2011, 12:33:06 AM »
I smell noob cakes.
Stop acting like a tough guy, you honestly DO NOT want to be gettin pegged with a 500 fps automatic at 20 feet. It would hurt. A lot. Maybe if you don't agree with FPS limits you should go and join the red dragon airsoft forum. Apparently with his "melded springs" (done by an Ex-Navy Seal who currently attends MIT) his ak can shoot well over 700 FPS. Lol.
But back to the serious part, there are FPS limits and Engagement ranges (can't think of the proper term) because let's face it, if airsoft hurt to much, no one would wanna play it. I hope my tangent helped.
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Re: thoughts on FPS limits.
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2011, 07:55:54 AM »
Quote from: "pkuparker"
does anyone really care for the limits certain feilds put on guns. personally i dont care for them. its a game of realistic tactial situations. as long as youre wearing a full face mask the FPS shouldnt really matter. it does not hurt so bad that you need everyone to have identically performing guns, whats even the point of upgrading/customizing a gun if you wont be able to use it where you like?


It's just not fun to have to dig bb's out of your skin after a game.  I like the idea of having higher FPS to give games more realistic range, but often people aren't responsible enough with their trigger fingers at close range.  Not to mention that when people hook Li-Po batteries up to their guns, they can end up with 25 balls per second while shooting at 475 FPS, meaning that if they shoot at you at close range and hit skin, you will have some digging to do.  Then, as Exarch stated, airsoft guns can achieve insane velocities with their projectiles.  I've seen a modified AUG replica that was firing well over 1000 FPS with >.20 bb's (I believe they were metal), you should be able to find it on YouTube.    At those speeds, you might as well play with real guns.  Bottom line, it's a matter of safety.
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Re: thoughts on FPS limits.
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2011, 09:04:32 AM »


There are FPS limits in place for good reason. Nil8r had a BB embedded in his head from a handgun.

If you want a more realistic experience, go join the Army. We have plenty of slots.
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Re: thoughts on FPS limits.
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2011, 09:06:30 AM »
This right here, answers the question and speaks for itself.
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Re: thoughts on FPS limits.
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2011, 10:08:12 AM »
i am not saying that i want to use a gun even over 400 fps, that would be ridiculous. my gun is shooting 350 and i am perfectly happy with that. its the fact that the dealers sell guns over their fps limit just so you have to spend more money to downgrade. it would be logical to have an fps limit on the sale of guns so people dont have to buy a new gun and immediately have to downgrade to play in a game. also, i recently went to an arena to play and the limit is 330 fps and my gun was shooting 345, is that really a big difference, enough to let me not play after i just payed 20 bucks? i agree that getting shot with a gun shooting 500 fps would suck ass, im not trying to push it and want these guns to be allowed to play in arenas.
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Re: thoughts on FPS limits.
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2011, 10:21:02 AM »
Quote from: "pkuparker"
i recently went to an arena to play and the limit is 330 fps and my gun was shooting 345, is that really a big difference, enough to let me not play after i just payed 20 bucks?.

Well, if they're going to let the 345fps gun in because it's not much more than 330fps, great.

So, then using the same "it's not that much more" logic, and the notion that you're now allowing a 345 fps gun on the field, you should also allow my 360 fps gun.
So, then using the same "it's not that much more" logic, and the notion that you're now allowing a 360 fps gun on the field, you should also allow my 375 fps gun.
So, then using the same "it's not that much more" logic, and the notion that you're now allowing a 375 fps gun on the field, you should also allow my 390 fps gun.
So, then using the same "it's not that much more" logic, and the notion that you're now allowing a 390 fps gun on the field, you should also allow my 405 fps gun.
So, then using the same "it's not that much more" logic, and the notion that you're now allowing a 405 fps gun on the field, you should also allow my 420 fps gun.
So, then using the same "it's not that much more" logic, and the notion that you're now allowing a 420 fps gun on the field, you should also allow my 435 fps gun.
So, then using the same "it's not that much more" logic, and the notion that you're now allowing a 435 fps gun on the field, you should also allow my 450 fps gun.
So, then using the same "it's not that much more" logic, and the notion that you're now allowing a 450 fps gun on the field, you should also allow my 465 fps gun.
So, then using the same "it's not that much more" logic, and the notion that you're now allowing a 465 fps gun on the field, you should also allow my 480 fps gun.
So, then using the same "it's not that much more" logic, and the notion that you're now allowing a 480 fps gun on the field, you should also allow my 495 fps gun.
So, then using the same "it's not that much more" logic, and the notion that you're now allowing a 495 fps gun on the field, you should also allow my 510 fps gun.

And now that the field is allowing my 510 fps gun... you won't want to play there, because:
Quote from: "pkuparker"
i agree that getting shot with a gun shooting 500 fps would suck ass

Limits have to be "hard" set, so that that kind of logic can't be used.

Also, it's done for insurance reasons. $$$$$$$$ makes the world go round, and in America, you get $$$$$$$$$ from lawsuits, which the insurance companies won't pay out for if the business didn't enforce strict safety rules.
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Re: thoughts on FPS limits.
« Reply #9 on: March 30, 2011, 10:49:04 AM »
The current FPS limits are up there for a reason, even at the current state they are now, airsoft is still dangerous, thus waivers and such. If you do not really care about FPS, join the military, I'm sure a full face mask will protect you fromt whatever comes your way.
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Re: thoughts on FPS limits.
« Reply #10 on: March 30, 2011, 11:35:29 AM »
Quote from: "pkuparker"
also, i recently went to an arena to play and the limit is 330 fps and my gun was shooting 345, is that really a big difference, enough to let me not play after i just payed 20 bucks?

Rules are rules. They state they may not shoot over 330. Not 330-ish, 330.

is 15mph over the posted speed limit really a big difference? is $15 short of a utility bill really a big difference? Responsibility and accountability. At closer ranges these things can do damage. Look at Ronny-Two-Faces new scar, or all the pictures I posted.
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Re: thoughts on FPS limits.
« Reply #11 on: March 30, 2011, 03:35:53 PM »
Come on you really going to give me a ticket???  I was only doing 90-ish in a 75.
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Re: thoughts on FPS limits.
« Reply #12 on: March 30, 2011, 04:35:54 PM »
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Come on you really going to give me a ticket???  I was only doing 90-ish in a 75.

If I was doing 90 in Arizona, I'd be begging for the ticket. That's criminal speeding!
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Re: thoughts on FPS limits.
« Reply #13 on: March 30, 2011, 05:18:11 PM »
Here in yuma we play in a very small place sometimes with  kids or teen's ., we shoot each others from (i guess) 50 or 60ft away, we been doing ok bcuz all the guys i been playing are very good players and great people,  i know some of the guns they use have more than 400 FPS . My guns are for field games, they are shooting more that 400 FPS, but as i said before we have control pulling the triger. So far we have fun and a really good time.

My question is . For this really small place   For shooting each other at 50 - 80 ft away . What should be the FPS for the safety of all of us????

Sorry for the gramma+ is hard writing in the ipod !!!

I just want to know so maybe y can buy a gun that shoot lower FPS

* i know other players get mad bcuz of this FPS topic bcuz they spend a lot of money On gun or springs or gearboxes so they can shoot faster, stronger on the field but somethimes i have people to close and i better call the " safety kill" but sometimes hurt my feelings shoot  my airsoft friends  to close with 400-420 FPS

Even the MP5 i use for this CQB place i feel it between 350-400
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Re: thoughts on FPS limits.
« Reply #14 on: March 30, 2011, 08:15:37 PM »
i asked for your opinions, i didnt ask for you to be douchebags about it. youre acting like im the only person who has wondered this. i just wanted to know why, didnt need the asshole comments.
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