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KJW Para Ordnance P14.45 REVIEW & Discussion
« on: December 23, 2004, 01:37:34 PM »
OK here is the review guys:

KJW Para Ordnance 14.45 Review

First off, I'd like to thank Jungletoy for supplying with this gun(eventhough I had to pay for it).

This is a review of the ABS version P14, not the full metal.

Introduction
Most HK and US retailers are carrying both the ABS and FMV p14's now. A great place to get either version would be jungletoy, whether online or at a retail store. I purchased mine from Dusty at the Tempe,AZ JungleToy store. When I first brought the box home it came with a can of Super Green Gas and 3750rnds of Infinity .2g BB's, perfect for testing my new piece. It came in a nice box that has a Photoshopped picture of the P14, a knife and a few .45 rounds laying on some eggcrate foam.  Upon opening the box I was suprised that the plastic finished looked so realistic. Now onto the box's contents; which included the Pistol itself, one magazine, A barrel key/tool, loading tube with mag attachment, loading tube rod, a "Manual" & 100 KJW bb's. Now lets move onto the specifics of the gun...


Loading/ Capacity
First I noticed that the mag is a double stack design. This is not a mistake, but a replication because the real P14 has a wider frame to accomodate a double stack .45 magazine also. Loading the magazine can be a bit diffucult at times, there a few ways to go about it. The first way would be to use the included tool. Simply align it with the top of the magazine while holding it down with your thumb in one hand, and load the bb's into the metal tube with the other. Once full, take the plastic rod included and press down firmly until it can no longer be pushed any farther.  I would suggest only loading 25 rounds instead of the 28 its supposed to hold to ensure better feeding.(Infact, my mag will only hold 25 with the spring fully compressed.) Filling the mag with gas is as simple as any other Gas gun. Just invert, fill for about 2-4 seconds and your good to go. As far as what type of gas to use, I would suggest Green gas or a 50/50 green gas/red gas mixture; as Dustergas(134A)couldn't even rack the slide back on the P14. All KJW P14 mags come with preinstalled high flow valves so you won't have to worry about buying aftermarket valves for your mags.

Asthetics & Looks
In order to provide a more detailed review we'll do this with each piece of the gun:

   Slide & Frame
   The slide & frame that come with the gun is made of a composite   material(really just ABS plastic). The only markings on this gun and its sister FMV are the words;    KJWORKS MADE IN TAIWAN Engraved into the right side of the frame towards the front of the gun. The lightweight material of the slide make its cyclic rate    EXTREMELY fast which will be discussed in the performance section of the review better.

   Slide Stop
   Made of metal, this piece can be a trick to reach without bringing the gun down and pointing towards your side a little. Once you get the hang of it, you can rotate    the pistol in your hand slightly, hit the mag catch, reload, hit it again, and have another mag loaded without fumbling or having to reach to the mag catch
    
   Hammer & Safety System
   Both are made out of metal and work together on the gun. First off, this gun uses a hammer type system which means if you dont cock the gun, you cant put the    thumb safety on. Also, if you have your gun cocked, then decock it, you wont release all the gas in the mag because the hammer gets "locked" in the 2nd position.    The second type of safety on this gun is integrated into the rear frame, which means if you dont have a tight enough grip on your gun, or if the trigger gets    snagged, that it wont fire.

   Trigger
   The trigger on the ABS para is , unfortunately, plasticI am unsure whether it is on the FMV or not). It is Skeletonized just like the hammer and boasts an adjustment    screw, however, I would not suggest tightening it much because after too many turns it causes the gun not to fire sometimes.
   
   Magazine Catch
   Pretty simple right? Well its plastic, however has something unique about it. First, its free fall which means the mag will fall out once you press the button. Second,    it seems to "push" the mag out of the magwell no matter what angle the pistol is at. Infact, I can press the mag release while the pistol is upside down and then    rotate it back and the mag will just drop to the floor- although this is not a good idea.

   Outer Barrel
   When I purchased the gun It came with a plastic orange barrel which looked horrible on such a beautiful gun, so I purchased one of the only 3 or so Metal barrels    left in AZ for the KJW p14. These are VERY rare and hard to come by, so if you get the chance to pick one up, do it! It was easy to change the barrels, just    dissasemble the gun, take out the chamber, unscrew the barrel, screw on the new one, and put it all back together.


Build Quality
Shaking the gun reveals a small rattle only heard in dead silence. Upon further inspection I saw that the Ejection port cover rattes against the slide somewhat but its not noticeable unless running or shaking the gun. IN which if you are running, I dont think you will even hear it. One thing I did notice when releasing the slide too slowly was that it would "catch" at one spot. I took off the slide and noticed a that the slide had a little bump in one spot, easily fixed with sand paper. It was then I decided to lube the slide, frame & hammer assembly. To dissasemble the gun you first have to remove the barrel cap by either using the supplied key and twisting or holding down the recoil spring cap and twisting Counter Clock Wise. Just hold down the recoil spring cap while dissasembling because its under pressure. Metal parts not mentioned are the internals such as the inner barrel, chamber, sear, hammer, magazine, recoil spring, recoil spring cap, recoil spring guide and rear sights.

Performance
So after opening her up I loaded a full mag, gassed it up and took to the backyard to test out the P14. I set up a 5x8 target taped to a box about 10m away and ligned up the sights, squeezed the trigger and....completely missed. Well not quite, I hadn't cocked the slide, just the hammer so nothing came out. I continued to take another shot and hit the 10 ring which is about 3/4 in diamater, pretty impressive. I emptied an entire mag onto the target and got 9 hits in the 10 ring, 6 in the 9 ring, 2 in the 8, 2 in the other rings and the rest were off of the target and onto other parts of the paper. I gassed up another mag and then another and another. After becoming more comfortable where the bb's were hitting, I could easily dumb 3/4 of the mag in the 10 ring from across my yard. The "recoil" or kick on the ABS P14 is quite impressive, actually its sometimes hard to notice because the slide cycles so fast. I emptied an entire 25 round in mag in exactly 5 seconds, but thats only how fast I can pull the trigger. Still thats an awesome cyclic rate for any GBB. If you want an accurate, cheap sidearm, id suggest the P14 from KJW anyday.

Thats it for now, as far as pictures of the gun/targets/ etc I still have to take them. I dont have a digicam at the moment but ill get them up asap. I'll update the review as soon as I have used it in the field.
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« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2004, 02:16:11 PM »
Did you get the metal or ABS version?  I am going to get one before LC4 to replace my SV Infinity.
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« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2004, 02:37:29 PM »
Ive used the metal version but I got the ABS due to the fact that my rifle is a pain in the a$$ to carry around due to its weight. However I do have someone in the process of CNC machining me the following parts out of aluminum: Outer barrel with Inner threads, thread converter for that outer barrel to use 14mm - accessories, slide with full trades, and frame. I also got the metal silver barrel from JT when I got it! Thanks Dusty :P
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« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2004, 03:10:36 PM »
I have an ABS version and its one of the only GBBs I have had fall apart on me.  The safety mechanism simply fell off the gun.  I loved it before that happened tho, great range, awesome cyclic rate.  Good gun besides that. Rick
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« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2004, 03:13:32 PM »
I never noticed this until a few days ago, while farting aorund with my friends 1911: They use a hammer mechanism, instead of the normal mechinism used by most gbbs.

(for you simpletons ;), the hammer system allows you to "uncock" your pistol, without it going off)
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« Reply #5 on: December 23, 2004, 03:35:35 PM »
Yep I noticed that too Ian, its cool cause when you "decock" your pistol it will lock so the hammer cant be pushed forward unless its cocked again. As long as you take care of your GBB"s they will last a long time. Rick, You can just order a new safety mech from WGC or UNcompany. All the WA p14 parts are compatible with the KJW version. I saw a guy a while back who had put a metal slide and/or frame on his KJW and it looked great.
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« Reply #6 on: December 23, 2004, 03:38:01 PM »
so i can put a "fat" traded slide for a WA on mine?
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« Reply #7 on: December 23, 2004, 03:50:11 PM »
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« Reply #8 on: December 23, 2004, 04:25:59 PM »
Oh I fixed the gun, but I just was  dissapointed on the fact it fell apart like that. Thanks though, Rick
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« Reply #9 on: December 23, 2004, 04:32:54 PM »
Oh alright...Kinda wierd..How long have you had it?
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« Reply #10 on: December 23, 2004, 05:33:16 PM »
3 months maybe?  Im not sure how it happened, I opened the drawer that I keep the guns in, and the safety was off and some pins were out of place.
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« Reply #11 on: December 23, 2004, 05:37:46 PM »
Thats pretty strange. Maybe someone else used it?
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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2004, 06:41:42 PM »
Have you guys seen these G.B.B yet?
http://www.orangeairsoft.com/
Pricey but they are cool. They are all fited with firing pins.
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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2004, 07:04:50 PM »
Umm... The KSC USPC has been out for a long time pal...
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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2004, 08:51:56 PM »
If you enter the site busta you will see they customize KSC GBBs --> http://www.orangeairsoft.com/orangeairsoft/
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