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Offline Harley

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« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2004, 07:58:52 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Basher</i>
<br />Geesh, I'd keepthe SXT if it were me. Those Safety Slugs sure do cost a lot, and frankly, if I were old enough to CCW, I'd darn well like to practice with what I'd be betting my life on. At something like $12 for 6-8 rounds, I'll stick with the premium lines. Those Hydr-Shoks would be an exceptable replacement.
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You do know what Glasier Safety slugs are for correct?  If not.. they're designed to put down your target without shooting through him/her and shooting someone behind them, in the next room, in the next house.  That's called a shoot through, and when you're firing your gun at someone in your home the last thing you need to worry about is shooting your next door neighbor or one of your kids in the next room because your bullet didn't stop after hitting your target.  Hell even Black Talons with their excellent expansion capabilities will shoot through some people depending on their body mass.
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« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2004, 07:45:44 PM »
Harley, yes, I know what the Glaser's are for. [:D] I'm speaking in general terms regarding CCW carry. Right now, I don't have a family (wife, kids, etc.), so I didn't bother to think about harming a child or family member. And if they're inmy house, I'd probably be using a shotgun anyway. [:D]
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« Reply #32 on: May 19, 2004, 01:14:49 PM »
A couple people PM'ed me to ask what the Winchester Ranger SXT's (formerly known as "Black Talon" ammo) looked like, so I figured I may as well post the pics for all to see:


Ranger SXT .45ACP



From left to right:  Winchester Ranger SXT .45ACP, Remington Golden Saber .45ACP, WWB HP .40SW, WWB SP .40SW, WWB FMJ .40SW.
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« Reply #33 on: May 19, 2004, 01:19:12 PM »
You've got that one on the far right listed as a JHP.  Isn't that a Truncated ball round?
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« Reply #34 on: May 19, 2004, 01:44:39 PM »
I had some golden sabers in 9mm, wasn't impressed with them at all (of course, they were the 147 grain version).
Bought my father a ruger p89 for his birthday, and he went down and bought the equipment to load 9mm on his reloader.
We bought some hornady 124 GR Hollow Point/XTP and loaded them a touch hot. These things are devastating in tests we ran.
Thats what sits in my pistol for home defense/carry.
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« Reply #35 on: May 19, 2004, 02:43:19 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Harley</i>
<br />You've got that one on the far right listed as a JHP.  Isn't that a Truncated ball round?
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Good question.  I'm pretty sure the box said "JHP", but I'll check it again when I get home.
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« Reply #36 on: May 19, 2004, 02:59:26 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Paco</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Harley</i>
<br />You've got that one on the far right listed as a JHP.  Isn't that a Truncated ball round?
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Good question.  I'm pretty sure the box said "JHP", but I'll check it again when I get home.
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Unless the picture is disceiving that bullet doesn't have a hole in the center.
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« Reply #37 on: May 19, 2004, 06:58:54 PM »
Okay, I checked and I was wrong.  The one on the far right is WWB FMJ .40SW.
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« Reply #38 on: May 20, 2004, 01:25:19 AM »
So many bad guys are wearing vests these days that I try to keep on hand something that will punch through one like a .223, not that hand guns don't have their place.
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« Reply #39 on: May 20, 2004, 07:18:10 AM »
Well if the .40 pistol in my night stand doesn't do the job, I'll grab my Benelli loaded with 12ga 00 buck shot and finish the job.  If that can't do, then I'll fall back on either the AK, the AR, or perhaps the FAL.  Or should I start at the other end and work my way down?
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« Reply #40 on: May 20, 2004, 07:22:58 AM »
Comparison of Ranger SXT and Black Talon.

The original Black Talons have six "pointed" petals upon mushrooming...Winchester pulled these after bad publicity regarding doctors getting their gloves cut when operating
on people who were shot...

Winchester then "dulled" the points and called the new "and
improved" Black Talons the SXT.

Get an XST and a Black Talon, shoot both into jugs of water (4 gallons should stop the bullet) and you'll see they are the same, minus the pointed petals.


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« Reply #41 on: May 20, 2004, 07:56:50 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Harley</i>
<br />Well if the .40 pistol in my night stand doesn't do the job, I'll grab my Benelli loaded with 12ga 00 buck shot and finish the job.  If that can't do, then I'll fall back on either the AK, the AR, or perhaps the FAL.  Or should I start at the other end and work my way down?
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I have a fairly wide range of selections myself.  Heh, the only problem is that if the first weapon doesn't do the job, it is unlikely that you're going to be able to move up to another firearm.  I certainly envy your collection however.
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« Reply #42 on: May 20, 2004, 08:23:38 AM »
Note to those reluctant to use .223 for home defense due to high velocity and penetration capability of that round;

http://www.ammo-oracle.com/body.htm#556indoor

"Virtually any kind of ammo, with the exception of light bird shot, will easily penetrate typical wall construction (two layers of wall-board separated by 3 to 4 inches of space).  Testing has shown, however, that after penetrating a typical interior wall, a 5.56mm projectile will have less wounding potential than most common handgun or buckshot loads.  This is true because the low mass of the bullet sheds velocity quickly, and velocity is its key wounding component.  This doesn't mean that 5.56mm ammo isn't still potentially deadly, but that the severity of an injury is likely to be less from a 5.56mm bullet than from a 9mm, .40, .45, or #00 buckshot round.  This, along with the ability to penetrate ballistic vests, is the reason that many SWAT teams are transitioning away from the 9mm MP5, selecting 5.56mm carbines instead."
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« Reply #43 on: May 20, 2004, 09:06:41 AM »
Just use frangible ammo for home defense if you want to use an AR.
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« Reply #44 on: May 20, 2004, 09:09:23 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Harley</i>
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Get an XST and a Black Talon, shoot both into jugs of water (4 gallons should stop the bullet)
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Really?  If I line up 4 jugs filled with water (in gallon milk containers) and fire a .45 HP bullet through all four, that will stop the bullet in the last jug?  If that's true, I might just have to try that next time I got shooting in the desert.  Any idea how many it would take to stop just a .22LR bullet from a P22?
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