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Lapua Rounds
« on: September 08, 2010, 02:44:13 PM »
I know the the lapua rounds are specifically made for sniping. But my question is what makes is so much different than a tradtional round. Comparing them side by side they look the same. Is it the powder that is used or a slightly different shape. I also know that a lapua round stays supersonic longer thus giving it greater kinetic energy on impact. Maybe someone can shed some light for me
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Re: Lapua Rounds
« Reply #1 on: September 08, 2010, 03:00:33 PM »
Quote from: "Pick"
I know the the lapua rounds are specifically made for sniping. But my question is what makes is so much different than a tradtional round. Comparing them side by side they look the same. Is it the powder that is used or a slightly different shape. I also know that a lapua round stays supersonic longer thus giving it greater kinetic energy on impact. Maybe someone can shed some light for me

powder, bullet, loading data, loading method, primer, casing
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Re: Lapua Rounds
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2010, 03:21:43 PM »
The shape of the .338 round is more aerodynamic (slightly) to allow it to remain above supersonic levels for longer than normal rifle rounds. There is much more time and energy going into the QC of each bullet also, as compared to normal mass produced rounds (hence the term "chambered for five dollar bills").
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Re: Lapua Rounds
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2010, 03:30:17 PM »
Ah thanks
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Re: Lapua Rounds
« Reply #4 on: September 09, 2010, 08:51:44 PM »
Lapua is the Company in Finland that designed the rounds, Im assuming your talking about the .338 lapua used in tactical rifles for long range precision shooting rifles like the Accuracy international and Sako brand rifles (the 2 most prominent .338 rilfes i would say).

the .338 is based off of a .416 Rigby which was necked down for a .338 inc bullet hence the name, Best example would be like a .22-250 or .243 which is a .22 bullet or .243 bullet on the case of a .308, both primarly hunting rounds, the .22-250 being an excellent varmint killer, .308 is a huge overkill for something like coyote, but a .22 with enough force behind it is perfect.

There was a lot of work put into the .338 because the current main anti personnel round was the .308 which is capable of hitting things 1,000 + yards away (you can hit 1,000+ yards with a .223) however hitting a live target and a stationary target are 2 different things. From what i can gather a lot of people were using the .50 BMG, although it can take down a target fine, the round was developed for the browning machine gun not a precision rifle, however it was adapted to the rifle platform it is still not meant to be an anti personnel round.

Here are the balistics of the .50 bmg
Bullet weight/type   Velocity                   Energy
647 gr (41.9 g) Speer   3,044 ft/s (928 m/s)   13,144 ft·lbf (17,821 J)
655 gr (42.4 g) ADI   3,029 ft/s (923 m/s)   13,350 ft·lbf (18,100 J)
700 gr (45 g) Barnes   2,978 ft/s (908 m/s)   13,971 ft·lbf (18,942 J)
750 gr (49 g) Lapua   2,618 ft/s (798 m/s)   11,419 ft·lbf (15,482 J)
800 gr (52 g) Barnes   2,895 ft/s (882 m/s)   14,895 ft·lbf (20,195 J)

And the .338 lapua
Bullet weight/type   Velocity                   Energy
12.96 g (200.0 gr)    1,019 m/s (3,340 ft/s)   6,734 J (4,967 ft·lbf)
16.20 g (250.0 gr)    897 m/s (2,940 ft/s)   6,516 J (4,806 ft·lbf)
16.20 g (250.0 gr)    910 m/s (3,000 ft/s)   6,634 J (4,893 ft·lbf)
19.44 g (300.0 gr)        826 m/s (2,710 ft/s)   6,632 J (4,892 ft·lbf)
19.44 g (300.0 gr)    837 m/s (2,750 ft/s)   6,810 J (5,020 ft·lbf)

the .50bmg has nearly 4 times the energy as the .338, you dont need that much energy to kill a human, and the .338 delivers enough force while being much more suitable for long range precision shooting.

just the amount of material in the rounds makes them expensive, add to that the fact they they arent heavily produced for the civilan market and you get very high prices on raw ammo, and very hefty price tags on reloading materials. As mentioned before even the lower quality remington stuff can be $5-$7 per round, at the moment .338 is more expensive than .50 bmg, you can get federal .50 bmg for $2-3 a round.
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Re: Lapua Rounds
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2010, 06:37:26 PM »
It was originally based off the .416 Rigby but that cartridge could not handle the very high chamber pressures of the intended round, it is now its own baby.

Here is the data from the Laupa site.
http://www.lapua.com/fileadmin/user_upload/Taulukot/338LapuaMagSpecialPurposeMetricImperial.jpg
And a quick read on the history of the round.
http://www.lapua.com/index.php?id=889
Photo comparison.
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_nQ7ZkXOTctE/SO_XAa1f_7I/AAAAAAAACTc/hP_tsQbQeoQ/s1600-h/quickcc-bullets%5B1%5D.gif
And finaly the rifle that will be at my FNFFL this week.
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=193738764
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Re: Lapua Rounds
« Reply #6 on: October 20, 2010, 05:56:37 PM »
REM 700P MLR .338LM, HS Precision stock, REM DBM, 26" Barrel, Warne +20MOA Base, Warne rings, Leupold Mark 4 4.5-14x50 MilDot(Because it has 100MOA of available elevation).



Now I just need the aforementioned ammunition.
(I am patiently awaiting the ammunition for this rifle to arrive at my humble abode)
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Re: Lapua Rounds
« Reply #7 on: October 22, 2010, 04:17:43 PM »
very nice, do you plan on keeping the HS stock? or going to something like a McMillan or AICS? post what groupings you get when you go fire it, and you better set that up at +1000 yards!

very nice rifle
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Re: Lapua Rounds
« Reply #8 on: October 22, 2010, 07:31:13 PM »
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very nice, do you plan on keeping the HS stock? or going to something like a McMillan or AICS? post what groupings you get when you go fire it, and you better set that up at +1000 yards!

very nice rifle

Probably a McRee Prcision. The goal is a mile.
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Re: Lapua Rounds
« Reply #9 on: October 22, 2010, 07:49:41 PM »
If your going for a mile i assume your reloading? where are you getting your supplies from?
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Re: Lapua Rounds
« Reply #10 on: October 22, 2010, 07:55:36 PM »
300gr factory match ammo is more than capable of hitting a mile in this caliber.
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Re: Lapua Rounds
« Reply #11 on: October 22, 2010, 09:01:39 PM »
^ not eaisly and not with that glass, reloading allows you to custom tune the perfect round for your action, as every one will inherently shoot different, as well as the cost benefits over time with such an expensive round.

http://www.snipershide.com/forum/ubbthr ... =13&page=1

Theres a great series on hand loading for long range shooting, which goes into ridiculous detail to make the round absoltley perfect, which will make a difference at 1700 yards
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Re: Lapua Rounds
« Reply #12 on: October 22, 2010, 10:32:23 PM »
The glass is actually one of the better choices due to it having 100 MOA of available elevation, that, coupled with the +20 MOA base gives around 70 MOA from mechanical center on the scope. Most people think that a scope having a higher magnification is better only due to them being big.  The internal workings of most don't, however, allow for enough elevation. Now if you want to spend $3000+ on an optic that has a 35+mm tube, USO/SB, that is fine, but is it going to perform $2000+ dollars better than the Mark 4 on this rifle, I don't happen to think so.  Hiting an 18" plate at 1800 is quite doable as the rifle sits right now. My primary reason for wanting the McRee Precision chassis is weight. The HS is so light that this thing is going to kick like a f'ing mule.  

By the way do you have personal experience with making these kinds of shots? The group I shoot with is always looking for more folks.
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Re: Lapua Rounds
« Reply #13 on: October 23, 2010, 11:37:05 PM »
Ive shot AT a target over 1,000 yards away a few times with friends rifles (and stress the word AT). I had an FN TSR XP w/ a USO SN-3 1.8-10x. I got into it really hastily and shouldn't have (for example, when i bought the scope i had to have someone explain what the parallax adjustment was), after going shooting with it maybe 3 times all last year (was at ASU) I sold them over the summer, however i would like to get back into it, really like the the FN A3-g, however will probably try and get a Remington 700 LTR.
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Re: Lapua Rounds
« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2010, 09:06:26 AM »
The FN is very similar to the Rem SPS Tactical. Both are good platforms from which to build. You were on the right track by buying a good rifle and a great optic. Why did you sell them?
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