Airsoft Arizona
General Airsoft Arizona => Informational Links => Topic started by: sethb7290 on November 28, 2013, 08:15:18 AM
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Good morning fellow Arizonians. I am holding a screener for Team OAF on December 27th at 0800 at Camelback Mountain. You MUST meet these following requirements period. This will be an all day event, applicants will have the DOR option.
1. SNP (said named person) has served active duty military (no BOOTS please, prefer OIF or OEF vets but open to all combat vets)
2. SNP has served in one of the following MOS fields
a. USSOF
b. Marine or Army Infantry
c. Combat medical fields such as MOS 68W (must have CMB) or MOS 8404 (must have FMF pin)
3. Don't act like a PBF
If you meet all the requirements congratulations! Now for the details.
following billets are currently vacant
-automatic rifleman
-grenadier
-Machine Gunner
gear list applicable to all billets
Items to go into your Main pack (i.e. ALICE, MALICE, or ILBE type rucks)
-day pack
-3 liters of water
-helmet
-iso mat
-extra pair of FROGs or cammies
-3 pairs of socks
-2 pairs of skivvies
-extra boots
-sleeping system (bag and bivy)
Items to be worn
-OD, CB, tan, black, or grey colored t-shirt
-FROG or gen 3 combat trousers in Multicam, ERDL, MARPAT, AOR1, or RG
-footwear doesnt matter as long at it works for you
-PC with full load (mag pouches with magazines, IFAK, and admin pouch are required, anything else is operator discretion)
Physical portion
-full ruck hike around Camelback Mountain
-3 mile ruck run
-MTC drill
-IA drills
-CASEVAC drills
Weapons familiarization portion
-SR drills
-Transition drills
-BR drills
-Gun drills
After the screeners physical and WF portions, I will hold an interview with each applicant. Once that is finished I will call or send an email to SNP once they have passed.
Anyone who qualifies the requirements please PM me on here as I am currently OCONUS at the moment.
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Er, -you know this is airsoft, right?
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Sounds like you don't play for fun, sounds like this one is for keeps.
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Maybe he should just stay in the military. Hard pressed to have those qualifications meet unless they are still serving. I agree with chip it's just Airsoft. Real world tactics don't work that we'll with toy guns.
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Maybe he gets airhard?
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Guys, it's clear that he wants to play with his fellow veterans. There's nothing wrong with that. The standards may be a bit ridiculous for a game with toy guns, but that's his thing. It's his team and he can run it like the boot camp from Full Metal Jacket if he wants to.
Funny thing about airsoft is that no matter how much you train or prepare for something, you're probably gonna get bested at some point by somebody else. Hell, it could be an ordinary guy who's never been in the military. It could be a freight broker, a chef, or a graphic designer. Basically, it's a game and the skills and techniques are in someways similar to those used in the military, but in many ways different. Basically, it's a game, not combat.
Anyways, sorry for the long message on your thread, seth. Best of luck to you on developing your team and hope to meet you on the field sometime.
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there is a comradery/mentality that you develop being military, being in combat. his team is simply looking for people that have that same mindset.
when you have a team built of people that you get along with that share the same experiences, same way of thinking, your team will be more cohesive.
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..Wonder what happened to that all-gay team we saw at Old Fightertown that night?..
Now, THAT'S "UNIT COHESION"..
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..Wonder what happened to that all-gay team we saw at Old Fightertown that night?..
Now, THAT'S "UNIT COHESION"..
Not nice to knock them when there not here to defend themselves!
They can't even up stick for themselves! Stick in themselves... stick up in themselves....... whatever.
Trying my best to not go long, here, but its definitely hard.
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actually, those guys were honest and pretty tactical that night. I heard they are the bar regulars at the Blue Moon.
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You should go check the Blue Moon out, Shaun.. If you belly up to the bar, they'll be happy to push in your stool for you..
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You should go check the Blue Moon out, Shaun.. If you belly up to the bar, they'll be happy to push in your stool for you..
HA. I have heard that place is A hole.
All the bar stools are upside down!
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I have to agree with the rest of the members on the forum, this is still a game played with toy guns any way you look at it, however we can also respect the fact that he wants a strong team cohesion and wants the comradery, or brotherhood I myself have had when I served.
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Although I commend this guy on the requirements for his team, I am coming up with a big fat blank on anyone in Arizona that meets his requirements. Those that know me, know how hard it is to play against me and I was just an Intelligence analyst for over 20 years. Good lord if I had a résumé like that, I could be a god. Beware of this "Army of one" out there on the field. He probably not carry an airsoft gun, just a rubber Rambo knife. 8)
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There are definite benefits to assemble a team with a heavy slant towards real combat experience. While many of the technical dynamics of real combat are vastly different in airsoft, having tactically experienced players grants you many benefits:
1. The players KNOW the value of communication. That's a hard one for johnnie civilian to grasp, it seems.
2. The are probably competent at shooting and moving within a unit.
3. They probably are proficient in small team movement, and battle drills (react to contact, ambush, assault, raid).
4. They have a set of values that the Armed Forces enforce - Integrity being a good start for airsoft.
5. The war stories alone make their company much more interesting than corporate Joe.
Very few civilians seem to understand the concept of "Work hard - play harder".
I agree with Trent. Those are very selective criteria, but I applauded having high standards. If I was closer to OP's TOC, I'd join. Charlie Mike.
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..If only the civilian taxpayers could let us suck off the Govt. teat too while we play airsoft..
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While many of the technical dynamics of real combat are vastly different in airsoft, having tactically experienced players grants you many benefits:
1. The players KNOW the value of communication. That's a hard one for johnnie civilian to grasp, it seems.
2. The are probably competent at shooting and moving within a unit.
3. They probably are proficient in small team movement, and battle drills (react to contact, ambush, assault, raid).
4. They have a set of values that the Armed Forces enforce - Integrity being a good start for airsoft.
5. The war stories alone make their company much more interesting than corporate Joe.
As one, I'm gonna stick up for Joe Six-pack.
1. This isn't one that's hard for us civies to understand. Most of the people that I play with have comms and use them. The distances that we deal with in airsoft (effective range) necessitates that people in units be closer together to provide cover. We're in "outside voice" range of each other at most times.
2. Again, most of the people I play with (and play against) are very good about this. Covering someone who is reloading, providing cover fire, moving with the group, and spreading out in intervals is airsoft 101.
3. Nothing that a few games under your belt won't teach you. Ambushes especially don't translate well from the real world. Again, it's the thing about being in close. Springing an ambush at 40 ft and catching enemies in a crossfire would most likely get the people staging the ambush killed in their own crossfire.
4. This one stung the most. Honesty and honor is THE biggest requirement when playing airsoft. Even us civies know that one. We're all pretty good about being honest and calling hits.
5. I suppose you've got this one. I personally know and play with a lot of vets and consider them friends. I don't like to bring up their service or really talk about it, since I knew (and still know) plenty of vets that don't like to talk about what happened, as it is painful for them to talk about. In a group that has had that shared experience, I guess it's easier to relate. I'm not in that world.
On a side note, us blue collar/corporate Joes do entertain ourselves with banter between games. Plenty of laughs and good conversations to be had.
All that said, I'm still on Seth's side. He can make his team whatever he wants to make it. People may not agree, but that's that. It's his and he can do with it what he wants.
Ghoul (and all the other vets), I hope you don't read what I wrote as bashing. I just disagree that the military necessarily prepares you for airsoft any better than getting out and playing.
Seth, sorry for yet another long post on your thread. I hope your team comes together well. All the best.
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Complaining because you don't meet the criteria of his team is like the fat girl crying because she didn't make the cheerleader tryouts.
That said, most combat vets I've played with over the years, if they had little to no airsoft experience were *almost* as useless as someone with no training at all. Airsoft is a different beast. I have no problem with having high fitness standards, though.
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I get what he is going for... I do. But this is IMO more towards real life training not airsoft. I know combat training groups that are more relaxed
I will give you props if you manage to get more than 1 person to show up.
Good luck to you!
Hooah!