Airsoft Arizona
Airsoft Hardware => Accessories & Gear => Topic started by: azsarge on March 29, 2005, 11:41:58 PM
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Sans bullsh*t, let's see what the preferred kit is around these parts! If you don't know what PALS or ALICE means, you are a communist that has been living under a rock for the last decade!
Feel free to NOT post any discussion, this is just a poll. After all, I didn't ask you to explain your answer. . .
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"Civil War re-enactors"! Bwahahahahahaha!
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Since the silence has been broken, who the hell are the other three that voted for ALICE?
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Since the silence has been broken, who the hell are the other three that voted for ALICE?
Tom, Dick, and Harry.
All three die-hard "Three Kings" fans!
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We'll I'm gonna be wearing some fashionable Kevlar.
Good memories... mmmm
Troy Barlow: Hey, would you take those ******* things off?
Walter: I never got to use night-vision.
Troy Barlow: They do not work during the day!
Walter: Yeah, they kinda work.
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PALS rules, ALICE sucks. End of story! :P
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PALS rules, ALICE sucks. End of story! :P
Which is why I am so surprised to see 7 votes for ALICE! :shock:
Unless, that is, someone has cheated...
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Im still kinda attached to my LCE set up just cause weve been through so much together and shes set up just the way I want her.
That said, I voted PALS all the way! I have yet to find a rig that does exactly what i want it too, but ive only tried 3, and the options just keep growing.
Rick
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I can relate to the nostalgia of the LC2. I feel that way about both it and my Issak (or what's left of it) but I think the pals/molle system is the way of the future. Especially considering budget issues, modularity is the way to go. The LC2 just didn't have the kind of flexability that the Pals is developing.
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" Man, i didnt join the army to pull paper out of peoples asses...no sir not what i signed up for."
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" Man, i didnt join the army to pull paper out of peoples asses...no sir not what i signed up for."
So what does that have to do with PALS or ALICE gear?
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We'll I'm gonna be wearing some fashionable Kevlar.
Good memories... mmmm
Troy Barlow: Hey, would you take those ******* things off?
Walter: I never got to use night-vision.
Troy Barlow: They do not work during the day!
Walter: Yeah, they kinda work.
three kings... nevermind im too tired to connect the dots between the gulf war and lbe for you.
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ALICE is good except for that damn ruck frame. I can get the VN era stuff dirt cheap, too.
Want "civil war?" -try that kit from Korea, circa 1950...
Chip
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Actually i'm a socialist, and personally I perfer it be said that I live in a cave.
anyway, WTF is ALICE and PALS anyway?
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PALS is the new ALICE. They are just moddable gear platforms that the military has come out with. ALICE utilizes a utility belt and you connect all of your pouches and crap on to it with metal clips. There are also suspenders that you use to keep them up, but they are pretty uncomfortable.
PALS/MOLLE is the new wave. MOLLE has more pouches to use, and more places for them. In general, MOLLE rigs have full chest moddability :P. MOLLE is superior to ALICE in that it distributes weight much more evenly over a larger area. MOLLE also has quite a bit more pouches and things to keep all your gear in one place.
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Ahh, gear whores.. I'll just stuff my grenades and mags in my jeans and hide my backup under my Iron Maiden sweatshirt (blue color)..
If it's good enuff for a Palestinian Freedom Fighter, it's good enough for me. :P
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If it's good enuff for a Palestinian Freedom Fighter, it's good enough for me. :P[/quote]
You gonna run around in circles, shooting in the air and yelling Allah Akbar?
I am sure you will make a nice target.
FLASH
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It's Allah u Akbar, and I think those kids in Lebanon and Gaza can hold their own pretty well.
The poorest militia seem to make do. Sometimes the best is speed and skill before camo and stealth.
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It's Allah u Akbar, and I think those kids in Lebanon and Gaza can hold their own pretty well.
Heck, I always root for the underdogs. Sometimes the best is speed and skill before camo and stealth.
Someone who knows where their shit is in their rig and practices accessing it quickly is more efficient than someone with mags and grenades in pockets... High speed gear and the user remembering where their sh*t went has saved lives...There is no doubt about it..
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'Course, that don't mean squat here..-We're only playing a game.
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It's Allah u Akbar, and I think those kids in Lebanon and Gaza can hold their own pretty well.
Heck, I always root for the underdogs. Sometimes the best is speed and skill before camo and stealth.
Someone who knows where their s*** is in their rig and practices accessing it quickly is more efficient than someone with mags and grenades in pockets... High speed gear and the user remembering where their sh*t went has saved lives...There is no doubt about it..
that is true with any kit, reguardless of how you carry it. If you practice enough, you get efficient with it.
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'Course, that don't mean squat here..-We're only playing a game.
Ha Ha Ha
Thats why everyone at big OPs uses their jeans to hold mags and frags! :lol:
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Christian, it isn't how much ammo you carry, as how many hits you get with what you have. ;)
If I was on a tight budget, I'd spend on more mags and guns and ammo and use old cheap surplus gear. Cammies and pouches get thrashed anyway.
ALICE stuff is cheap, and effective.
Chip
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Christian, it isn't how much ammo you carry, as how many hits you get with what you have. ;)
If I was on a tight budget, I'd spend on more mags and guns and ammo and use old cheap surplus gear. Cammies and pouches get thrashed anyway.
ALICE stuff is cheap, and effective.
Chip
I only buy what I can afford by selling something I have. THATS my airsoft budget.
About hitting what you can with a few mags, you're right! But it also means you don't need to reload as often. On a good day, I get 10 kills per mag. Times 9 and thats alot of red rags.
With firearms, I'm the same way, but my efficiency goes up substantially. On the crew-served range, I qualed expert with the 249 and had 16 rounds left on the belt. If those little green e-silhouettes were people, thats 36 less people to shoot back at me. If I had even more ammo. . .you get the point!
When it comes down to it, PALS is better in that it allows a more customizeable loadout, that can carry more specific items, with much greater comfort! To carry what I did at Lion Claws with ALICE gear, I'd be one sore MFer come Monday morning. ALICE is a paint in the ass, and it's not that comfortable. It works, but PALS works better.
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We're only playing a game??
When did that start, lol
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We're only playing a game??
When did that start, lol
Thats what makes the differnce in players, Some Airsofters use airsoft guns as training aids for the real deal! We have many types of player here in AA.
Expaintballers,Military,boarder Agents,milsim guys, and tactical shooters..
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We're only playing a game??
When did that start, lol
Thats what makes the differnce in players, Some Airsofters use airsoft guns as training aids for the real deal! We have many types of player here in AA.
Expaintballers,Military,boarder Agents,milsim guys, and tactical shooters..
Exactly, I play cause it gets me in better shape and conditioned for my future service.Although you aren't carrying around the same weight in mags, some of us do carry quite a bit. Some airsofters say they are hardcore, but you can tell the ones who always give 100% and the ones who just give up... ;)
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you can tell the ones who always give 100% and the ones who just give up... ;)
You mean A Co?
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you can tell the ones who always give 100% and the ones who just give up... ;)
You mean A Co?
Yeah, and there are some here in AZ, that is what I was referring more to. Some just play harder than others all the time.
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Yeah, i'm hoping to get into better shape too.
Airsoft makes me happy I never got sucked into paintball.
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that is true with any kit, reguardless of how you carry it. If you practice enough, you get efficient with it.
Very true.
For the entire time that I have been playing airsoft, I have used neither PALS nor ALICE. I have always used the genuine GI issue WWII-Korea era field gear with the bent wire clips that attach through the holes in the bottom of the utility belt. I am probalby the only person I know that has this setup in the field, (and literally not in a musem) :) But for the years that I have been using it, I gave grown used to its style of organization and am able to work very efectively with it. I a can unholster my .45 from my leather flap holster just as quick as my buddy can unbutton and pull his beretta from his leg holster.
Like it was stated, its all individual preference, not universal efficiency. Some PALS setups dont neccitate the ability to carry canteens, Whilst some ALICE setups can limit the amount of mags that one can carry, and both of these necessities are equally indespensible in the field. Its really only about what each person perfers is most suited for themselves.
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that is true with any kit, reguardless of how you carry it. If you practice enough, you get efficient with it.
Very true.
For the entire time that I have been playing airsoft, I have used neither PALS nor ALICE. I have always used the genuine GI issue WWII-Korea era field gear with the bent wire clips that attach through the holes in the bottom of the utility belt. I am probalby the only person I know that has this setup in the field, (and literally not in a musem) :) But for the years that I have been using it, I gave grown used to its style of organization and am able to work very efectively with it. I a can unholster my .45 from my leather flap holster just as quick as my buddy can unbutton and pull his beretta from his leg holster.
Like it was stated, its all individual preference, not universal efficiency. Some PALS setups dont neccitate the ability to carry canteens, Whilst some ALICE setups can limit the amount of mags that one can carry, and both of these necessities are equally indespensible in the field. Its really only about what each person perfers is most suited for themselves.
Its better and more efficient to carry a Camelbak though, it keeps the weight more balanced, and you can fit like, 8 canteens in the space of 3...
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...And it also doesn't hurt when you fall on your Camelbak, Platypus, etc..
Falling on a aluminum/steel old school G.I. canteen puts a dent in yer pelvis.
p.s. M-79, I wish I had one of those old .45 holsters still. :(
Chip
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I know that pain first hand.
I used to carry two of the aluminum ones on my M1 belt, and after a few trips I took off the one on my right side, because it seemed that I using that side to brace my fall.
Its also kind of difficult to sit down with a 12 inch M1 bayonete hanging off of my gear, but I dont really notice it when Im in gameplay. It comes in handy for things like cuting foliage and such. I also once used it as a can opener when I was really hungry at one game.
I love my flap holster, and I would perfer it over anything else. I think a company still makes reproductions for around $30. I have the brown leather model, which has much more rigid stitching and construction. There is also the black leather late WWII and vietnam model.
http://www.ima-usa.com/product_info.php/products_id/700 (http://www.ima-usa.com/product_info.php/products_id/700)
http://www.armynavysales.com/Merchant2/ ... Code=MA126 (http://www.armynavysales.com/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=01&Product_Code=MA126)
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I had a question. I've had a few people say that Malice clips suck. I love the damn things. Does anyone have a reason why they might not be worthy of being used?
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I had a question. I've had a few people say that Malice clips suck. I love the damn things. Does anyone have a reason why they might not be worthy of being used?
I like the idea. I've never used them, but I've seen kits held together by MALICE and I think they're neat.
The only thing I can think of is that they are not permanently attached to the gear. This is offset by the fact that they are dirt cheap and replaceable.
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I had a question. I've had a few people say that Malice clips suck. I love the damn things. Does anyone have a reason why they might not be worthy of being used?
I like the idea. I've never used them, but I've seen kits held together by MALICE and I think they're neat.
The only thing I can think of is that they are not permanently attached to the gear. This is offset by the fact that they are dirt cheap and replaceable.
They are a pain in the ass to use..and sometimes that BLOCK on the end of the clip that is supposed to stay under or above the last row of webbing can get under it and the pouch can move.. Id rather have the paraclete system...or the same kind DBT and BHI uses.
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Ever owned a Paraclete pouch, Andy?
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Ever owned a Paraclete pouch, Andy?
Yep, owned a couple..And I liked the little attachment dealio..I heard Matt call it the "SOF SNAP" once..but I don't see where the snap is.. :roll: They were alot easier to get in and out of the webbing especially with the pull loops and being more flexible than most of the attachment systems I have used(a whole big 4 or so).
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Ever owned a Paraclete pouch, Andy?
Yep, owned a couple..And I liked the little attachment dealio..I heard Matt call it the "SOF SNAP" once..but I don't see where the snap is.. :roll: They were alot easier to get in and out of the webbing especially with the pull loops and being more flexible than most of the attachment systems I have used(a whole big 4 or so).
Paraclete refers to their attachment system as the SOF snap.
FWIW, I dislike the BattleLab attachment system. Well, not so much the design, but rather the plastic they used in the button straps. Too stiff to be woven easily like Eagle and BPGs stuff.
The new TAG system looks neat, I'd love to check out some of their stuff.
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Ever owned a Paraclete pouch, Andy?
Yep, owned a couple..And I liked the little attachment dealio..I heard Matt call it the "SOF SNAP" once..but I don't see where the snap is.. :roll: They were alot easier to get in and out of the webbing especially with the pull loops and being more flexible than most of the attachment systems I have used(a whole big 4 or so).
Paraclete refers to their attachment system as the SOF snap.
FWIW, I dislike the BattleLab attachment system. Well, not so much the design, but rather the plastic they used in the button straps. Too stiff to be woven easily like Eagle and BPGs stuff.
The new TAG system looks neat, I'd love to check out some of their stuff.
I noticed it is really stiff, but then again, you need 14 levels of pouch to kit retention too! ;)
I haven't checked the TAG stuff out, care to fill me in? I found weaving stuff with the BLCS pouches left the straps bent after once or twice..Kinda an upset.. I thought the BHI stuff was a b|tch to weave. :roll:
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Paige from DBT mentioned soething about a new attachment system for BattleLabs upcoming line. Whether or not that means a new design or just new materials I don't know.
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Im partial to the alice only since that is what I used while serving(Yea Showing my age) but Im willing to evolve to the pals gear if it is more comfortable and Usefull. Just learning all the new Jargon is kinda slow after all the years as a civilian!!!!
Falcon
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Im partial to the alice only since that is what I used while serving(Yea Showing my age) but Im willing to evolve to the pals gear if it is more comfortable and Usefull. Just learning all the new Jargon is kinda slow after all the years as a civilian!!!!
Falcon
That's a good attitude to have regarding kit, and will lead to you finding something truly useful, no matter your weapon or playing style.
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i never served...matter of fact my favorite alice pattern is m-56 standard utility equpment. The only people that would have worn that are in thier late 50's or 60s by now and mostly Vietnam veterans. simple, heavy duty canvas, a charming shade of green, no frills, durability like you cant even imagine and historical value all wrapped into one kit. ;) ...its fantastic....
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Yes I did, I own Alice gear, used it for Paintball, who knows, maybe next game I will wear it?
FLASH
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I must say I am quite fond of ALICE. I find it quite aesthetically pleasing and it matches my PASGT vest nicely. I really like the National Guard or Three Kings look. I also have a British web set from WWII that I would love to use had I been able to acquire an airsoft Sten or Bren Gun.
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Why carry so much into the feild? Gimme a Camelback, knive, and plenty of ammo. Having allot stuff on you limits mobility and weighs you down. :) I don't know. I'm coming from a hunters point of veiw. You usually don't need half the junk you bring along in the feild. Trust me, me and my shoulders know. But to each his own.
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ALICE PACKS are just too damn big and bulky. If ya plannin to hump 40 miles in a OP, go ahead and use it. But you can't move in vegitation very well in them, you can't fire from the prone position while wearing it, and sure as heck can't be silent while on the prowl. The "mini-alice" is a better way to go, and the VN era Rucks are much smaller and user-frendly.
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Why carry so much into the feild? Gimme a Camelback, knive, and plenty of ammo. Having allot stuff on you limits mobility and weighs you down. :) I don't know. I'm coming from a hunters point of veiw. You usually don't need half the junk you bring along in the feild. Trust me, me and my shoulders know. But to each his own.
A knife you mean? And I hope it isn't for people....
Really thought, even rubber knives are a no no now unless you KNOW the person EXTREMELY well and you KNOW they can handle being touched and joke about it later. :shock:
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Why carry so much into the feild? Gimme a Camelback, knive, and plenty of ammo. Having allot stuff on you limits mobility and weighs you down. :) I don't know. I'm coming from a hunters point of veiw. You usually don't need half the junk you bring along in the feild. Trust me, me and my shoulders know. But to each his own.
Some of us prefer to build our shoulders, thank you very much ;)
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Last time I checked the only guns that mattered were the ones that threw the lead(or in our case, plastic). :) As for the knife, I should have said leatherman and definitely not for using on people. Seriously though. A knife is great for removing that little twig right in the middle a shooting lane. I have also removed I don't know how many of peices of cholla from my body with one.