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H&K guns
« on: December 03, 2012, 09:50:36 PM »
So I just saw this vid...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYhb80uAJrM&feature=g-high

...and was wondering, what brands are considered "licensed" by H&K? As far as I know, JG and cyma guns are soon-to-be gone from the US market (correct me if I'm wrong). What will we be seeing in the future? Sorry I just don't know much about this.
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Re: H&K guns
« Reply #1 on: December 03, 2012, 10:09:37 PM »
Umarex licenses H&K, their guns are rebranded from some of the major manufacturers (G&G, for example). Basically, a company can't call their gun an "MP5", but can copy the looks all day long.

CYMA's and JG's are still around (http://www.evike.com/index.php?cPath=21_672_700).
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Re: H&K guns
« Reply #2 on: December 03, 2012, 10:13:32 PM »
I see tons of Cymas all the time. Im sure there are JGs too but I have not seen very many recently. VFC has alot of HK guns in their arsenal, KWA does alot with them too with the g36 and the mp7 etc. Ares also seems to have alot of the g36s licensed. I have seen some of those cheap brand plastic gearbox guns have HK trades, I believe that Umarex does the whole licensing thing so whatever is licensed through umarex and is a HK gun will probably have trades on them.

Simple search on evike with H&K in the search bar brought up tons of licensed guns
http://www.evike.com/advanced_search_result.php?search_in_description=1&keywords=H%26K

What will we see in the future? probably any gun H&K creates will somehow be made into an airsoft varient.
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Re: H&K guns
« Reply #3 on: December 03, 2012, 10:17:26 PM »
Whoops, put that in present-tense. Meant to say soon-to-be gone.
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Re: H&K guns
« Reply #4 on: December 03, 2012, 10:22:48 PM »
Whoops, put that in present-tense. Meant to say soon-to-be gone.

Most likely not. There's a ton of companies that could sue over manufacturers/importers bringing in airsoft guns. I'm pretty sure Glock is the only company that has a patent on their gun's overall looks. Simply calling it something different and not having trades on the gun makes them legal. Not a lawyer, but pretty sure.
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Re: H&K guns
« Reply #5 on: December 04, 2012, 06:58:32 AM »
Whoops, put that in present-tense. Meant to say soon-to-be gone.

Most likely not. There's a ton of companies that could sue over manufacturers/importers bringing in airsoft guns. I'm pretty sure Glock is the only company that has a patent on their gun's overall looks. Simply calling it something different and not having trades on the gun makes them legal. Not a lawyer, but pretty sure.
No, Trade Dress is a universal thing. It's also why Apple sued Samsung. If you can prove a newer product looks just like your older product, you can sue them for essentially riding your coattails and sullying your brand name by selling cheap copies that look identical.

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Re: H&K guns
« Reply #6 on: December 04, 2012, 07:42:11 AM »
Whoops, put that in present-tense. Meant to say soon-to-be gone.

Most likely not. There's a ton of companies that could sue over manufacturers/importers bringing in airsoft guns. I'm pretty sure Glock is the only company that has a patent on their gun's overall looks. Simply calling it something different and not having trades on the gun makes them legal. Not a lawyer, but pretty sure.
No, Trade Dress is a universal thing. It's also why Apple sued Samsung. If you can prove a newer product looks just like your older product, you can sue them for essentially riding your coattails and sullying your brand name by selling cheap copies that look identical.

Thanks, Fresnel. As I said, not a lawyer and wasn't really feeling too well when I made that post. Good night sleep and I'm good as new.

That being said, then it seems like the cheap mp5 market is going to get pretty small soon. Oh well, there's a ton on the used market. Just got to wonder about a ton of other guns that might end up in court cause the real steel company wants in on the very lucrative airsoft market.
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Re: H&K guns
« Reply #7 on: December 04, 2012, 11:38:22 AM »
Whoops, put that in present-tense. Meant to say soon-to-be gone.

Most likely not. There's a ton of companies that could sue over manufacturers/importers bringing in airsoft guns. I'm pretty sure Glock is the only company that has a patent on their gun's overall looks. Simply calling it something different and not having trades on the gun makes them legal. Not a lawyer, but pretty sure.
No, Trade Dress is a universal thing. It's also why Apple sued Samsung. If you can prove a newer product looks just like your older product, you can sue them for essentially riding your coattails and sullying your brand name by selling cheap copies that look identical.

Thanks, Fresnel. As I said, not a lawyer and wasn't really feeling too well when I made that post. Good night sleep and I'm good as new.

That being said, then it seems like the cheap mp5 market is going to get pretty small soon. Oh well, there's a ton on the used market. Just got to wonder about a ton of other guns that might end up in court cause the real steel company wants in on the very lucrative airsoft market.

Source for said lawsuit &/or the impending lack of H&K weapons?

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Re: H&K guns
« Reply #8 on: December 04, 2012, 11:51:16 AM »
Whoops, put that in present-tense. Meant to say soon-to-be gone.

Most likely not. There's a ton of companies that could sue over manufacturers/importers bringing in airsoft guns. I'm pretty sure Glock is the only company that has a patent on their gun's overall looks. Simply calling it something different and not having trades on the gun makes them legal. Not a lawyer, but pretty sure.
No, Trade Dress is a universal thing. It's also why Apple sued Samsung. If you can prove a newer product looks just like your older product, you can sue them for essentially riding your coattails and sullying your brand name by selling cheap copies that look identical.

Thanks, Fresnel. As I said, not a lawyer and wasn't really feeling too well when I made that post. Good night sleep and I'm good as new.

That being said, then it seems like the cheap mp5 market is going to get pretty small soon. Oh well, there's a ton on the used market. Just got to wonder about a ton of other guns that might end up in court cause the real steel company wants in on the very lucrative airsoft market.

Source for said lawsuit &/or the impending lack of H&K weapons?

True, it's assumption. Makes sense when H&K are marketing a G&G MP5 at nearly twice the cost of Chinese imports. This happened with Glocks, though they may not sue. Really, this is looking into the crystal ball and trying to guess what H&K might do. I honestly have no idea, but I'm putting forward a decently educated guess.
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Re: H&K guns
« Reply #9 on: December 04, 2012, 12:35:17 PM »
If this is true its pretty sad, we will be telling our kids about the days when a company beat the competition by creating a better product, not forcing them out of the scene through legal means.

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Re: H&K guns
« Reply #10 on: December 04, 2012, 12:43:06 PM »
In regards to the lawsuits (plural) themselves, a quick Google search will give you more details.  That's not new info.  In regards to the guns going away, that's a completely different matter that has no basis in reality right now.

True, it's assumption. Makes sense when H&K are marketing a G&G MP5 at nearly twice the cost of Chinese imports. This happened with Glocks, though they may not sue. Really, this is looking into the crystal ball and trying to guess what H&K might do. I honestly have no idea, but I'm putting forward a decently educated guess.

First off H&K isn't marketing anything.  Umarex is.  G&G MP5's have always been more expensive than Chinese models.  It's a very different case than Glock.  Glock had no interest in being involved in airsoft at all.  In addition, their lawsuit was able to use a functional part of the airsoft gun in the suit (trigger safety) rather than just trade dress.  H&K already has an agreement with Umarex so H&K airsoft guns aren't going anywhere.  Worse case we see some of the clones fade away.  I personally have no problem with that.  The major companies (except TM) are already playing by the rules.

If this is true its pretty sad, we will be telling our kids about the days when a company beat the competition by creating a better product, not forcing them out of the scene through legal means.

This has nothing to do with competition.
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Re: H&K guns
« Reply #11 on: December 04, 2012, 01:50:05 PM »
I believe Echo 1 got in huge trouble over the Scar H and the p90s they were making because FN had the look trademarked similar to glock, The FN licensing rights is with G&G so the echo 1 versions have vanished. I believe it was during this years shot show.
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Re: H&K guns
« Reply #12 on: December 04, 2012, 02:04:27 PM »
No, the FN licensing is with Cybergun.  The was Echo1's own stupid fault and they got what they deserved.  It was funny to watch in person.  Like I said, worse case is the Chinese stuff disappears.  No loss there IMO.

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« Reply #13 on: December 05, 2012, 02:21:53 PM »
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Re: H&K guns
« Reply #14 on: December 05, 2012, 02:54:00 PM »
Im waiting for the Hk p30 L to come out in a gbb version. That is my Christmas wish.
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