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SB 798 this is bad news for airsoft if it passes
« on: June 10, 2011, 08:37:25 AM »
Guys this was posted on airsoft GI, we really need to do everything in our power for this bill not to pass in California cause if it does we are going to see repurcussions of this here in AZ.

http://youtu.be/pwxUx06yf8I

Please lets all be responsible and write a letter to them saying why we are safe and not as irresponsable as they think we are.
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Re: SB 798 this is bad news for airsoft if it passes
« Reply #1 on: June 10, 2011, 11:03:51 AM »
I'm still confused about how anything passing in commiefornia means that "we are going to see repercussions of this here".

It is a very different place here than it is there, with a very different legislature with very different goals and priorities.
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Re: SB 798 this is bad news for airsoft if it passes
« Reply #2 on: June 10, 2011, 11:13:58 AM »
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I'm still confused about how anything passing in commiefornia means that "we are going to see repercussions of this here".

It is a very different place here than it is there, with a very different legislature with very different goals and priorities.

Having it pass in California might have it take a foothold here.  Also, I don't quite understand how California is equivalent to Communism, could you explain that a little better?

Also notice that many major airsoft suppliers are located there: AirsoftGI, Evike, Airsplat, AirsoftMegastore, etc.
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Re: SB 798 this is bad news for airsoft if it passes
« Reply #3 on: June 10, 2011, 11:25:05 AM »
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I'm still confused about how anything passing in commiefornia means that "we are going to see repercussions of this here".

It is a very different place here than it is there, with a very different legislature with very different goals and priorities.

Having it pass in California might have it take a foothold here.  Also, I don't quite understand how California is equivalent to Communism, could you explain that a little better?

Also notice that many major airsoft suppliers are located there: AirsoftGI, Evike, Airsplat, AirsoftMegastore, etc.


Their laws... a little on the "take from the rich, give to the poor, the illegals, and whoever else doesn't want to work but still wants to be at the same socioeconomic status as everyone else; cater to the criminals and blame the law abiding citizens when catering to the criminals doesn't reduce crime" side of life. I admit, it's closer to a socialist regime, but sociofornia just doesn't give the same impression as commiefornia, and doesn't start with the same letter as california.

But no, laws passing in California generally don't have any effect on what goes on here. For a similar example, check out their score on the Brady Index, and look at Arizona's. We ALMOST had a negative score this year. We'll have to try harder in the next legislative go-round. Our gun laws are polar opposites. Our welfare system works NOTHING like theirs. Our taxes are NOTHING like theirs (except for the part where they exist, and you HAVE to pay them). Our citizens have rights that can't be overruled at an officer's whim, without major repercussions for that officer. Past experience says that laws taking foothold in california has next to nothing to do with laws taking effect in arizona.

Major retailers being there shouldn't effect much, other than their local sales.

Oh, and sidenote, no representative from California is going to give a rat's a$$ what we say about this bill. And they shouldn't. They should only listen to their constituents! They theoretically vote based on the will of the people that vote for them (supposedly... although most politicians seem to vote on secret agendas and lobbyists now instead).
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Re: SB 798 this is bad news for airsoft if it passes
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Re: SB 798 this is bad news for airsoft if it passes
« Reply #5 on: June 10, 2011, 01:35:01 PM »
Ask businesses why they are leaving California and setting up shop elsewhere.

I guarantee one of those answers will be "business laws."  Airsoft companies should follow suit and leave.

I lived in California for 15 years.  The weather is nice and it's pretty and green for the most part.  But that's about it.  Housing is overpriced.  Hollywood and Los Angeles are overhyped.  The state is going bankrupt.  Overpaid education boards and unions and welfare programs are bleeding the taxpayers to death.  And somewhere along the lines, someone thought it would be a brilliant idea to push more laws to force more compliance to help pick up the slack.

It doesn't work that way, folks.  I'm glad I live here in Arizona now.  People in this state seem to be a little more down to earth with a head on their shoulders than those living in Fantasyland.  That's why I don't see this law passing here.
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Re: SB 798 this is bad news for airsoft if it passes
« Reply #6 on: June 10, 2011, 02:06:36 PM »
Quote from: "axisofoil"
Quote from: "Crono0001"
Quote from: "axisofoil"
I'm still confused about how anything passing in commiefornia means that "we are going to see repercussions of this here".

It is a very different place here than it is there, with a very different legislature with very different goals and priorities.

Having it pass in California might have it take a foothold here.  Also, I don't quite understand how California is equivalent to Communism, could you explain that a little better?

Also notice that many major airsoft suppliers are located there: AirsoftGI, Evike, Airsplat, AirsoftMegastore, etc.


Their laws... a little on the "take from the rich, give to the poor, the illegals, and whoever else doesn't want to work but still wants to be at the same socioeconomic status as everyone else; cater to the criminals and blame the law abiding citizens when catering to the criminals doesn't reduce crime" side of life. I admit, it's closer to a socialist regime, but sociofornia just doesn't give the same impression as commiefornia, and doesn't start with the same letter as california.

But no, laws passing in California generally don't have any effect on what goes on here. For a similar example, check out their score on the Brady Index, and look at Arizona's. We ALMOST had a negative score this year. We'll have to try harder in the next legislative go-round. Our gun laws are polar opposites. Our welfare system works NOTHING like theirs. Our taxes are NOTHING like theirs (except for the part where they exist, and you HAVE to pay them). Our citizens have rights that can't be overruled at an officer's whim, without major repercussions for that officer. Past experience says that laws taking foothold in california has next to nothing to do with laws taking effect in arizona.

Major retailers being there shouldn't effect much, other than their local sales.

Oh, and sidenote, no representative from California is going to give a rat's a$$ what we say about this bill. And they shouldn't. They should only listen to their constituents! They theoretically vote based on the will of the people that vote for them (supposedly... although most politicians seem to vote on secret agendas and lobbyists now instead).
=D> Bravo. California's gun laws (among other laws) are the reason I will never live there. See, in Arizona, citizens are actually allowed to protect themselves.

As far as SB798 goes, I'm fairly certain it would only affect local shops. Ordering guns online from out of state wouldn't technically be buying an airsoft gun IN California, so we would still be able to obtain normal-looking guns.

Quote from: "HavHav"
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/jun/6/one-law-for-us-another-for-you/

That's totally fair, yes.
That's jut f***ed up. A clear example of axisofoil's 'Commiefornia', and how their government thinks they're better than their citizens.
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Re: SB 798 this is bad news for airsoft if it passes
« Reply #7 on: June 10, 2011, 03:25:14 PM »
Quote from: "axisofoil"
I'm still confused about how anything passing in commiefornia means that "we are going to see repercussions of this here".

It is a very different place here than it is there, with a very different legislature with very different goals and priorities.

Because all of the distributors are located in California.  There's a reason all the distributors are in California and it's not just because they like the weather.  The only distributor that wasn't located in CA was G2 (Generation Guns) and to the best of my knowledge, they closed shop because they couldn't keep up.  To the best of my knowledge, there's only two retailers that largely only deal direct with the manufacturers rather than going through distributors.  That's Airsplat and Evike.  The rest of the retailers go through California based distributors.

I've got no fears at all of the bill "spreading" to here but to think it won't affect airsoft as a whole in this country is a failure to look at the big picture.
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Re: SB 798 this is bad news for airsoft if it passes
« Reply #8 on: June 10, 2011, 10:36:11 PM »
Trust XavierMace to say what I wanted to say but better -_-

Damn you.

Also, that source has very conservative leanings.
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Re: SB 798 this is bad news for airsoft if it passes
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2011, 01:38:07 AM »
Quote from: "axisofoil"
I'm still confused about how anything passing in commiefornia means that "we are going to see repercussions of this here".

It is a very different place here than it is there, with a very different legislature with very different goals and priorities.

Look up "CARB" - California Air Resource Board.
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Re: SB 798 this is bad news for airsoft if it passes
« Reply #10 on: June 11, 2011, 11:31:50 PM »
Short term this is a problem, long term? I doubt it. Prices will rise with drama, and lower once this all cools down, regardless of whether or not this bill passes. Its not like there aren't other port cities on the West Coast or other Western cities for the companies to move to. Yes I know its more convenient in Cali, but its not impossible. Sure it may cost time and money, but its going to hurt the state more than any of these companies.
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Re: SB 798 this is bad news for airsoft if it passes
« Reply #11 on: June 15, 2011, 11:42:52 AM »
THIS JUST IN!

(as said by Airsoft GI's Facebook page) "The California Paintball Safety Coalition has convinced Senator De Leon to amend SB798 to exempt paintball from this bill. This Coalition is now asking people to contact Senator De Leon to thank him for working with the paintball industry and that they support the bill. That means this bill will allow ALL BLACK PAINTBALL REPLICAS OF FIREARMS TO EXIST while forcing Airsoft guns to be brightly colored."

So you can have a black paintball M4, but not a black airsoft M4... Because it makes such a difference if someone points either one @ a cop @ a distance or @ night #-o ...
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Re: SB 798 this is bad news for airsoft if it passes
« Reply #12 on: June 16, 2011, 02:50:41 PM »
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THIS JUST IN!

(as said by Airsoft GI's Facebook page) "The California Paintball Safety Coalition has convinced Senator De Leon to amend SB798 to exempt paintball from this bill. This Coalition is now asking people to contact Senator De Leon to thank him for working with the paintball industry and that they support the bill. That means this bill will allow ALL BLACK PAINTBALL REPLICAS OF FIREARMS TO EXIST while forcing Airsoft guns to be brightly colored."

So you can have a black paintball M4, but not a black airsoft M4... Because it makes such a difference if someone points either one @ a cop @ a distance or @ night #-o ...

I was laughing hard and then almost broke my hand against my desk beating it to death in anger.
It's because even 'realistic' paintball guns still look unrealistic with their giant gas tanks and whatnot. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that was the argument the Paintball Safety Coalition used themselves.
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Re: SB 798 this is bad news for airsoft if it passes
« Reply #13 on: June 16, 2011, 05:12:41 PM »
Quote from: "xXmusicimpactXx"
Quote from: "KillerDragn"
Quote from: "Renengan"
THIS JUST IN!

(as said by Airsoft GI's Facebook page) "The California Paintball Safety Coalition has convinced Senator De Leon to amend SB798 to exempt paintball from this bill. This Coalition is now asking people to contact Senator De Leon to thank him for working with the paintball industry and that they support the bill. That means this bill will allow ALL BLACK PAINTBALL REPLICAS OF FIREARMS TO EXIST while forcing Airsoft guns to be brightly colored."

So you can have a black paintball M4, but not a black airsoft M4... Because it makes such a difference if someone points either one @ a cop @ a distance or @ night #-o ...

I was laughing hard and then almost broke my hand against my desk beating it to death in anger.
It's because even 'realistic' paintball guns still look unrealistic with their giant gas tanks and whatnot. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that was the argument the Paintball Safety Coalition used themselves.

I don't know... http://bignews.biz/primages/19/combat_paintball_pistol_350.jpg
They don't ALL look fake.
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Re: SB 798 this is bad news for airsoft if it passes
« Reply #14 on: June 16, 2011, 05:35:32 PM »
Hmm point taken, those could definitely pass as real firearms. I'm sure the PSC didn't exactly show the congressman that picture though...
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