Airsoft Arizona
Airsoft Hardware => Accessories & Gear => Topic started by: Ares on August 16, 2006, 11:19:10 PM
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what is the advantage to having a huge front vest? i think less is more. all i use 2 mag pouches around a belt. thats all one needs as far as im concerned. the extra mass makes it hard to lay on your stomach, and even harder to conceal yourself. So why do all the big players use these vests?
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(http://www.endyourself.com/armor.jpg)
I go prone all the time. That rig has everything I need on it.
Two mag pouches on a belt is cool, I guess, but where's your water, your radio, your extra BBs, your loaders, multitool, all that stuff?
Less is more, but then you get into not having enough.
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Just a quick question there Vince, what purpose does that tan strap coming out of both shoulder pads down like a necklece serve? Sling?
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add another pouch or 2 for the bb's. a multitool (like my leatherman) usually comes with a belt holster. and im sunk as far as water and a radio. I saw a tan vest work on the rear... almost like a backpack. but more like a vest. i thought that'd be a good solution.
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It's where I clip war trophies. Ford emblems, ears, foreskins (useful when battling Phillistines), the female Fastex buckle attached to my AEG, stuff like that.
Yeah, bassick1 (I forgot your name, sorry), you run the risk of looking like batman then. I dunno, this works for me and I like it, so I do it.
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i thought about going with one as well, but something doesent seem right about it :-/ they're pricey too... this is one expensive hobby
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I like my setup... 2 triple mag pouches, canteen, buttpack, thigh holster, dual pistol mag pouch... maybe a harness to hold it up or something. I tried tac vests and LBVs but I like this the best its simple cheap and effective.
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i'll try one. looking for one used.
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The advantage of carrying all your gear on a chest rig or vest instead of a belt is you get more mobility. When all the gear is off your hips it is alot easier to move.
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they're pricey too... this is one expensive hobby
Yep! Thank goodness Its expensive. Otherwise everyone would be doing it.....
Try the infinity tactical kit at JungleToy. Its not as COOL as some of the other kit, but its sturdy and long lasting, it looks just like the Blackhawk kit that MSG Mullen uses, and they are coming out with a modular system soon. I can afford a more expensive kit, but I see no valid reason....
IMHO
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I like my russian vest. Its has alot of mobility, and never gets in the way. It almost like a chest rig. If you use low caps though you will need to have alot more puches and gear. My vest holds 12 mags, and then I have a camel back, with a back pocket, and I usually have a bag of BBs there, and I just stick a battery on the side of one of the pouches. It works for me. But I am not hardcore like some on the forumb. I plan on getting a guarder vest and go to some national events, when I get older.
Here you can see pics of my vest (best pics I have :(.)
http://www.airsoftarizona.com/forumbb/v ... hp?t=10453 (http://www.airsoftarizona.com/forumbb/viewtopic.php?t=10453)
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If you don't want to do the modular vest thing, but still want a vest, shoot me a PM. I know of some IDF vests that run just over 200.00 that have so many pouches it's stupid.
(http://www.practicaltactical.net/stores/practicaltactical/catalog/ReconComposite.jpg)
Comes with a hydration system too...
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That IDF kit is pretty sweet. Def worth the $$$
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Israeli shit is legit. And some of the army chicks are hott.
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Some of us are more into the "sim" of mill-sim. cool rigs make you look cool....
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I like my LBV with canteen on the belt and a triple mag pouch as well, don't know if I'll go with the double shoulder rig for my pistols or my cheap thigh holster though
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THat may be fine for regular games but, if you ever go to a national op not only are you required to use some kind of chest rig but, you would want to..carrying that weight completely on your waist or shoulders all day long isn't comfortable to fun, neither is a chest rig but it sure is alot more comfortable!
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If you don't want to do the modular vest thing, but still want a vest, shoot me a PM. I know of some IDF vests that run just over 200.00 that have so many pouches it's stupid.
Comes with a hydration system too...
Benn
That better be my store you're recommending for this, :D
If so, then using my picture for advertising like this is fine by me. :)
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The whole concept of gear has two elements to it:
What you want to do.
What you like.
For airsoft, many times these are mutually supportive. Sometimes they are not.
If you're doing more the mil-sim AS gaming, putting a mag pouch or two on your belt and running around in sneakers and jeans, well, is a fashion Faux Pas of the first magnitude.
the opposite is also true.
So, figure out what your goals are, then purchase gear to fit that goal.
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In my case, I needed something modular in order to get custom mag pouches to carry mags for my P90.
(http://i9.photobucket.com/albums/a85/PaulDWog/MYCOYOTETACRIG.jpg)
Plus I like the Idea of having good performing gear. Those of us who use standard mags can't get away with two mags for a game.
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Nice rig Paul,
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Thanks.
I can't wait to get my new stuff from David.:)
It should work even better for my P90 stuff.
Then I can set up my current rig for my M4.
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If you don't want to do the modular vest thing, but still want a vest, shoot me a PM. I know of some IDF vests that run just over 200.00 that have so many pouches it's stupid.
Comes with a hydration system too...
Benn
That better be my store you're recommending for this, :D
If so, then using my picture for advertising like this is fine by me. :)
Ha! i just did a google image search Tim...didn't pay attention to where it came from...sorry. :x
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Those of us who use standard mags can't get away with two mags for a game.
Seriously. My vest holds 6 mags, so with standards that gives me 180 BBs ready to go at any time, plus a couple hundred in speed loaders. More than enough for a round. But if I only carried two, I'd really be hoping that I didn't see any fire that round. I can't imagine holding a point with minimal cover and only 60 rounds...
Actually, I bought my vest from you at JT S. It's one of the Infinity Tacticals. It may not be "high end," but it's sturdy, looks like Blackhawk, and it definitely gets the job done.
I also like that you can attach that backpack thing in case I ever play one of those extended round/waypoint games that require much more BBs/water/batteries/etc.
EDIT: Turns out I'm not quite a mathmetician. 30 * 6 = 180, not 1800. And that, ladies and gentlemen, is why the earlier Mars Rover didn't land on Mars.
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1800 / 6 = 300
300 != 68
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1800 / 6 = 300
300 != 68
Yeah, edited the post before anyone responded, but go figure you'd see it and correct me before I had time to press the "post" button :lol: And the standard mags I've been looking at hold 30, but I like 68 better. How much to TMs hold?
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the longest game i played was 2 hours long. i have 3 mags TOTAL. a 300rd hi-cap. and 2 standard cap. once they had all depleted, i went back to our teams "base" and loaded the hi-cap back up.
as far as pistol mags go, i have 1 50rd and 2 23rd. thoes take a long time to reload once expended. i keep my pistol in a hip holster.
i have a speed loader, but its the mechanical kind that is shaped like a fat magazine.
i realize now that a 4 hour long game without adequite ammo or water will be hell. so i think ill go with a lbv
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TMs hold 68. STARs are "real cap" or "low cap" not standards, just to correct the nomenclature.
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Ha! i just did a google image search Tim...didn't pay attention to where it came from...sorry. :x
benn
That's actually encouraging. :)
Also, I would be interested to hear about your hydration mods....and how many of the vests do you have?
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What's so great about having gear that looks like Blackhawk?
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What's so great about having gear that looks like Blackhawk?
Because (and correct me if I'm wrong) Blackhawk is regarded as one of the best tactical gear manufacturers, so it's something that everyone wants but can't always afford.
Like when people absolutely had to have Levi's jeans, or Nike shoes.
So when people can't or won't buy Blackhawk (kinda pricey) they want something that looks similar so people don't stand and say "that looks cheap".
It's a style thing.
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What's so great about having gear that looks like Blackhawk?
Because (and correct me if I'm wrong) Blackhawk is regarded as one of the best tactical gear manufacturers, so it's something that everyone wants but can't always afford.
Like when people absolutely had to have Levi's jeans, or Nike shoes.
So when people can't or won't buy Blackhawk (kinda pricey) they want something that looks similar so people don't stand and say "that looks cheap".
It's a style thing.
Blackhawk is really on the Low end of nice gear, they make a ton of product, and it is fine for what it is, but there is much better out there.
Eagle for one is a company that heavily outweights Blackhawk in product quality.
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I have some gear made by some local people (Hawk) and I cant tell the difference in quality from his to some High end makers. (TT)
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Blackhawk is really on the Low end of nice gear, they make a ton of product, and it is fine for what it is, but there is much better out there.
Eagle for one is a company that heavily outweights Blackhawk in product quality.
Roger that...
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Blackhawk is made from foreign materials (Chinese) by foreign labor (Vietnamese).
It sucks.
Talk about cheap, shit beer too. Blackwater Gear had the decency to give out Sam Adams at SHOT Show.
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What's wrong with having gear that looks like Blackhawk, especially if it works for what the user wants it to do?
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What's wrong with having gear that looks like Blackhawk, especially if it works for what the user wants it to do?
The question is why do people want gear that looks like Blackhawk?
My reasoning got owned, so I'm now curious myself.
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Theres nothing wrong with blackhawk gear. I used some when i was in and i just got some new blackhawk gear. I wouldnt say they are pricey yea theres companys like Eagle and others that are made in the USA that cost way more. When it comes down to it price and durability are what matters. Id rather be wearing my plate harness with my molle attachements then my old LBV and still have money to buy food ;).
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I think you guys are missing the point that is trying to be made here. I myself and several people on the forum along with Military and LE have gear made by a local manufactures. "Local" meaning here in Phoenix and Tucson. Not manufactured outside the U.S. with cheap labor and cheap material. Blackhawk gear is the regular run of the mill s**t. These local manufactures will custome tailor your gear just the way you want it with a better quality in material and craftsmanship at an affordable, if not, better/cheaper price than Blackhawk w/lifetime guarantee. I believe they listen more with the feedback they get from customers. Meaning always coming out with newer, better and different gear. Blackhawk is just more popular due to advertising and marketing. Their product is fine for its use and will do the job. But there are better options at an equivelant (if not) better price.
The whole time I spent in Cali. Every game I went to there was at least 2-3 people asking me about my gear. Why? Because it was different and practical. S**t, even one guy was selling the Chuckwalla pouches made by Coyote Tactical at a game at double the value. Why? Because it was different, new, practical and a stellar quality product.
I hear all the time on this forum how people will and want to support our local economy when the opportunity comes along. Well here's your chance, put your money where your mouth is.
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even one guy was selling the Chuckwalla pouches made by Coyote Tactical at a game at double the value
no kidding? dang and I thought the chuck fad was dead.
Blackhawk gear is a good intro to gear in general, a lot of gear makers stuff is a lot like blackhawk because they(blackhawk) nicked the designs and can out produce everyone else. There are a lot of pros for blackhawk gear, but I dont like it because of thier marketing strategies and less than high grade materials. I remeber walking past the blackhawk booth with my chuck to the wall so they wouldnt steel it and put me out of business.
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big bulky front vest...why bother??
Because you need someplace to rest your weary arms after carrying that heavy rifle around.
Seriously, I think more is more to a point. You need to not only be reasonably self sufficient in the field, but also able to support your team members. If 5 guys in your squad carry 6-10 mags each and you choose to carry 2, because thats all you need... well I think you get the picture.
I agree with the previous posters regarding Blackhawk specifically. They have a few things that are made well, work, and are priced well, but be careful.
Also agree with the "local vender" concept. Perhaps the ideal situation is a buddy with: a good sewing machine, a relationship with a fabric source, and talent.