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Off-Topic Forums => General Off-Topic Discussion => Topic started by: deathbydanish on November 16, 2006, 12:13:34 PM
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UCLA Student is tased multiple times (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g7zlJx9u2E)
Student shot with Taser by UCPD officers
Incident occured around 11:30 p.m. in the Powell Library CLICC computer lab
UCPD officers shot a student several times with a Taser inside the Powell Library CLICC computer lab late Tuesday night before taking him into custody.
No university police officers were available to comment further about the incident as of 3 a.m. Wednesday, and no Community Service Officers who were on duty at the time could be reached.
At around 11:30 p.m., CSOs asked a male student using a computer in the back of the room to leave when he was unable to produce a BruinCard during a random check. The student did not exit the building immediately.
The CSOs left, returning minutes later, and police officers arrived to escort the student out. By this time the student had begun to walk toward the door with his backpack when an officer approached him and grabbed his arm, at which point the student told the officer to let him go. A second officer then approached the student as well.
The student began to yell "get off me," repeating himself several times.
It was at this point that the officers shot the student with a Taser for the first time, causing him to fall to the floor and cry out in pain. The student also told the officers he had a medical condition.
UCPD officers confirmed that the man involved in the incident was a student, but did not give a name or any additional information about his identity.
Video shot from a student's camera phone captured the student yelling, "Here's your Patriot Act, here's your ****ing abuse of power," while he struggled with the officers.
As the student was screaming, UCPD officers repeatedly told him to stand up and said "stop fighting us." The student did not stand up as the officers requested and they shot him with the Taser at least once more.
"It was the most disgusting and vile act I had ever seen in my life," said David Remesnitsky, a 2006 UCLA alumnus who witnessed the incident.
As the student and the officers were struggling, bystanders repeatedly asked the police officers to stop, and at one point officers told the gathered crowd to stand back and threatened to use a Taser on anyone who got too close.
Laila Gordy, a fourth-year economics student who was present in the library during the incident, said police officers threatened to shoot her with a Taser when she asked an officer for his name and his badge number.
Gordy was visibly upset by the incident and said other students were also disturbed.
"It's a shock that something like this can happen at UCLA," she said. "It was unnecessary what they did."
Immediately after the incident, several students began to contact local news outlets, informing them of the incident, and Remesnitsky wrote an e-mail to Interim Chancellor Norman Abrams.
http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38958 (http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=38958)
The student was Iranian American so I think there may have been some racism involved.
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Civil disobedience is still disobedience.
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:roll: This is sad. The guy's first mistake was being rude to the officers...and this report is obviously not correct because it appears (on the video) that the student was tazed after he started screaming like an idiot.
Could it have been overkill to use it? Maybe. But Vince said it perfectly.
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Civil disobedience is still disobedience.
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j280/saguaro_sierra_9/Miscellaneous/civil_blackred.jpg)
I posted this on another board and they are all having the complete opposite reaction that you guys are. Tasing him standing up, maybe its ok, but tasing him while he is on the ground, I'm not so ok with that. He's already incapacitated, may as well just drag him away at that point.
Anyway tasing a man while is on the ground is like kicking a man while he's down.
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His fault. I know about the whole you cant stand up right after being tazed, but cops have to be tazed before they can use a tazer. They know how it feels, and if you can or can not stand up.
Personally, i think the cops were doing a good job.
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I dont give a shit, your not listening to a person of authority taze 'em til the cows come home. Bet he wont pull that shit again.
Kids these days are growing up with less and less respect for authority figures like teachers and police officers, and it all starts with the parents at home.
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he deserved it. he was still resisting arrest by not standing up. i would have done the same. it takes seconds for the effects of tasing to go away. he was perfectly capable to stand
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What if the reason for arrest is bul*sht in the first place. Everybody is making the assumption that the cops were in the right. A taser isn't to be used as a device to make people comply due to pain, its to incapacitate somebody who is a physical danger.
I don't know what went on before the video started, but there were enough cops there to hog tie him and carry him out.
Just my $0.02
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it was a legitimate use of non-lethal force. The cops had probable cause to stop, detain and investigate and ths guy's failure to comply was unlawful resisting.
Tasers can be used to force compliance and its generally a better use of force than physical contact because there are more injuries in a physical altercation and more risk to the officers.
I'm not a big cop fan, but it was a good cook from a legal (and constitutional) perspective.
Bottom line, do what the fucking cops tell you to do or get cooked.
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His fault. I know about the whole you cant stand up right after being tazed, but cops have to be tazed before they can use a tazer. They know how it feels, and if you can or can not stand up.
They use to, not anymore. An officer at my school told me that last year.
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I've already read the thread that this bit of news already came from.
This post makes the most sense out of all them.
The issue I see is the repeated tasering after the individual had already been subdued and restrained. You repeatedly hear the order, "get up" spoken with the threat of more taser if he doesn't. That's not what the taser is for. The taser is to be used to gain compliance to the extent that an uncompliant individual may be out of the officers' control, with hands and body free to potentially cause harm to officers and bystanders, possibly with a concealed weapon.
The taser is not a tool to "gain compliance" in a blanket sense. If an individual has been properly restrained and is under your control, and they can't or won't get up, well that's your burden as police officers, now, not his, anymore. You can drag/carry him outside if need be, but you can't repeatedly taser him as a means to persuade him to get up and walk under his own power.
Tasers aren't non-lethal weapons; they're less-than-lethal weapons. Ideally, they shouldn't ever cause death, but tasers can and have caused death. When you go into these situations, you don't know the medical history of the person you're confronting. He could very well have a congenital heart condition, possibly unknown to even himself. You've got to consider these things when there's a use of force, like in the video.
-szr
I'm not going to argue the officers' original intent to use it. My problem is exactly what szr talks about. Tase him once to knock him down and then get him in cuffs. The video shows that they tased him, then cuffed him, and then tased him again as he was on the floor. When he is cuffed and lying on the ground there is no reason to tase him again.
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therein lies the litigation....
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UCLA Tasering officer: history of violence (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2006/11/19/10734/370)
Wow this guy is clearly not meant to be a law enforcement officer, he needs to be blacklisted from ever having any kind of law enforcement duty and/or powers.
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So...
quit beating a dead horse.
Tasers = less people dying on both sides
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So...
quit beating a dead horse.
Tasers = less people dying on both sides
That's not the issue, the guy has a history of excessive force. He has been "set off" for much smaller things apparently, even going so far as to shoot a non-threatening homeless man.
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"And what pray tell does you discussing it mean?", is what I was getting at. Reading a blip off the net dosent give you all of the points of vew or all the facts to make a judgement on the conduct of this officer.
You were not preasent at those events, you are not a law enfocement professional, you dont even go to UCLA, your statement is either intended to pick a fight with someone on the net or you intended your post to be meaningless. I was pointing out, that that info presents nothign new to either side of an argument (of which there is none), and the outcome of such a discussion yeilds nothing beneficial or harmful, it involves people you dont know, in a place you arent in, with circumstances you dont understand, the outcome of which won't affect you. So quit beating a dead horse and picking fights on line.
We all agree tasers are good for both cop and robber, and a question of appropriate use depends on so many factors that a third party getting info from the internet has no right to judge or rule on the matter. It is obvious that your of the opinion that that guy shouldnt be a cop, fine... thanks for sharing, so what...
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"And what pray tell does you discussing it mean?", is what I was getting at. Reading a blip off the net dosent give you all of the points of vew or all the facts to make a judgement on the conduct of this officer.
You were not preasent at those events, you are not a law enfocement professional, you dont even go to UCLA, your statement is either intended to pick a fight with someone on the net or you intended your post to be meaningless. I was pointing out, that that info presents nothign new to either side of an argument (of which there is none), and the outcome of such a discussion yeilds nothing beneficial or harmful, it involves people you dont know, in a place you arent in, with circumstances you dont understand, the outcome of which won't affect you. So quit beating a dead horse and picking fights on line.
We all agree tasers are good for both cop and robber, and a question of appropriate use depends on so many factors that a third party getting info from the internet has no right to judge or rule on the matter. It is obvious that your of the opinion that that guy shouldnt be a cop, fine... thanks for sharing, so what...
I'm not trying to pick a fight, I'm presenting facts, the officer has a history of excessive violence. I didn't need to be there to see it first hand, I don't need to be in law enforcement, and I don't need to be a student at UCLA to be able to read the Bruin article which stated all of this.
http://dailybruin.com/news/articles.asp?id=39047
Meh, if you won't even bother to click that link then I guess you won't even bother to read my post and conprehend it. May as well just lock this.
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'Facts' are not a given in the Daily Bruin or any other newspaper, especially when it comes to police matters. That's fact number one. Fact number two is these cops did screw up by letting the suspect get control of the situation. Escalating a situation beyond what you want it to be is a classic error by inexperienced cops, or those that just never got it. The fact that they were over and over again yelling at the guy to stand up says they lost control. Then it's just a bigger and bigger mess. You can bet those guys are getting dragged through the wringer by their commanders, as they deserve. Oh well, more training hopefully after the disciplinary hearings and the lawsuits.
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'Facts' are not a given in the Daily Bruin or any other newspaper, especially when it comes to police matters. That's fact number one. Fact number two is these cops did screw up by letting the suspect get control of the situation. Escalating a situation beyond what you want it to be is a classic error by inexperienced cops, or those that just never got it. The fact that they were over and over again yelling at the guy to stand up says they lost control. Then it's just a bigger and bigger mess. You can bet those guys are getting dragged through the wringer by their commanders, as they deserve. Oh well, more training hopefully after the disciplinary hearings and the lawsuits.
That's something I can agree with, they let him linger around screaming for way too long. If they had gotten him out much quicker, no one would've had enough time to even get their cell phones out and begin recording this mess.