Airsoft Arizona
Airsoft Hardware => AEG's => Topic started by: chris on January 29, 2007, 07:35:51 PM
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Allright so heres the deal. I am debating on a few different guns for medium- long range. I would like an AEG (no sniper rifles) and am debating on either a TM m14, TM Soc 16, G&G GR16-A3, G&G GR16 Carbine, or a CA M4a1, yea kind of undecided. I want a gun that will accept and perform upgraded to shoot 400-450fps w/ tight bore. So thanks in advance guys for helping me out, if you guys could rank what would be your top 3 and why. I got kinda burned when i shelled out like 500 for my ICS to get it to be upgraded, and it doesnt perform that well, so i want to make sure i make the right decision this time.
Thanks
Chris
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No G&G, if you want over 400 fps, AA rules indicate that you may not go full auto, so you basically made a sniper rifle. Anything but G&G on that list will do great, and next time, search.
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Brando has a G&G R5 that chroned at 402 with .20's out of the box, and let me tell you thats a nice gun just ask SouthPaw... I would go with G&G for their m4's/m16's, TM for the socom16
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unless you are planning on upgrading the internals of a g&g, i would go with classic army, even then you should still upgrade it
but if your looking for great internals then go with TM
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tm m14 series. Best stock gun ever and even better when upgraded.
In my opinion CA makes better AR-15s than TM, but the TM M14's out perform the CA guns out of the box when both are in stock form.
The only downside of the Tm m14s is that they are REALLY complicated to work on internally, but if you do upgrade one, it will shoot beautifully and you really only need to spend like, 100 bucks on the parts where as you whould have to spend more on upgrading a TM AR-15 to the same level of performance.
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tm m14 series. Best stock gun ever and even better when upgraded.
+1.
Get whatever gun you're comfortable with.
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I'd also like to say the M14 simply because I'm sick of seeing so many Armalites (Armalites refering to all M16 look alikes). Before I upgraded my TM it was working amazingly. It out ranges most stock AEG's and some upgraded AEG's. If your looking for an electric sniper rifle anyways I'd get the full length m14 and watch everyone be filled with fear of the 7.62 death! :D
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So between a G&G GR16 A3 and Tm M14 what would you guys suggest
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jesus im getting tired of all of these which one posts
pick the one you like best and can fit you budjet
not to yell but it gets annoying to see like 3 of these a day
on the other hand go with the toyko mauri
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I would go with a TM M14 or if you want to be really cheap, an exact replica of a TM M14 (Chinese-made AEGs have improved some). The TM M14 is highly accurate and has great range and a multitude of uses. The only possible downside is the size of the gun or its stock, which feels "toyish."
On a side note; topics asking for help such as this should be accepted. Every few months there are new products or new issues arise that new or potential airsofters should find out about before choosing a gun. Obviously, though, if a similar topic had been started the week before, it should just be resurrected.
\PLT
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Yes, and i generally do not make these kinds of posts. I'm just going through the forum to see if i can get their opinion in my final stages of buying a gun.
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I have a tm m14 I pre orderd it and everything I love m14's and wanted one so I have the first batch and man I cnat tell you how much it ROCKS I love it never even had a jam in it. probably 25k rds through it I also have a CA CQB that I have a 120 and pom tightbore I love it too If I were to only have one AEG It would definitly be the CQB I have OUTSTANDING range and accuracy proably superior to even the legandary TM M14. Both are awesome guns. The reason I prefer the cqb is because its so easy to handle and the upgrade and accesories are so easy to come by. also buy MAG mags I love them and if you loose one its no big deal only like 6 bucks a pop 8) Hope this helped.
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Out of curiosity, what is wrong with your ICS? $500 is enough to replace all of the internals at which point you have a standard AEG only with the convience of a split gear box. I am currently using an ICS gearbox and body on my gun. In the lower I have a System Super Torque Up Motor and Full Systema 120 (pulled from the System complete kit) internals. I have 2 Uppers and Front ends for the guns, one sniper and one CQB. I like it, I would never get a different M4 varient.
That said, I agree with Whiskey, every body and their mom has an M4 varient. Get the M14 (or get your existing gun working). Last AA game I went to it seemed like Spaz and I had P-90's and everybody else had M4's. If you have to get an M4, at least do something to it to make it stand out.
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Xavier people here havent truely recognized ICS as a legitamate company as too many have had the older versions that are less reliable. My 2006 ICS is running awesomely and got me a good number of kills at the game on the 28th at Four Peaks. I love my ICS to death and no one can say bad compression because I have an M110 spring w/ bearing spring guide and stock piston and piston head that is shooting .23's out at 370 fps...
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ICS was my first real gun......been a few years now still runs.
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Whiskey, what you say is true, however my point was even if you toss out the internals there is still a very good reason to keep the ICS. Unmatched internal modularness (is that even a word).
I can go from Sniper to CQB (Included inner barrel and front assembly) in about 2 minutes. Velocity changes from 330fps to 450fps+. How many other AEG's can say that?
In addition, the spring tension release may be the most underrated feature in all of airsoft.
So Chris, if you have your heart set on getting a new M4 varient, I would at least consider using the ICS casing and body because of the ease of upgrade and the spring tension release.
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I honestly think that ICS makes better MP5s than M4s. I dont know what they did with the new version but that two piece gearbox has seems to have been problematic with the older models. It just might not be sturdy enough.
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Um, wow, you are the first person I have ever heard say the MP5s were better than the M4's. Every person I have talked to says ICS's Mp5 suck. Bad.
I have never had a sturdiness issue with my ICS casing and it has a 140 spring in it right now.
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Dang, every single person i know who has an ICS MP5 has never had any problems and has shot very well, but every one I've talked to with an ICS M4 has complained about their reliablility.
That's probably why I don't own any, too many conflicting opinions concerning their guns...
Concerning CA vs. TM, I think CA's a better buy if you dont want to do any serious projects with your gun since they come pretty much field ready out of the box (metal, sturdy, etc) TM's better if you want to make some sort of project out of the AEG, and I personally think that TM aegs have a much better hop up than CA. CA just hasn't quite figured out the magic TM AEG formula yet.
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The new versions have reinforced gearbox halves already and as far as i know the older versions didnt have any issues either. I think its alot of hear say and not alot of practical use.
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well I had some problems with, for one my wiring crapped out on me so that needed to be replaced. Had to put a new systema piston in it. Alos i put a systema silent cylinder/piston head set on it. Put a tight bore in it. Plus the cost of it being in the shop. I have had some bad luck with it but i can't go any higher than a m120 spring. How did you get yours to a m140?!
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id say TM for their M14's G&G for Ak's/Rk's and CA for M4's/M249's
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well I had some problems with, for one my wiring crapped out on me so that needed to be replaced. Had to put a new systema piston in it. Alos i put a systema silent cylinder/piston head set on it. Put a tight bore in it. Plus the cost of it being in the shop. I have had some bad luck with it but i can't go any higher than a m120 spring. How did you get yours to a m140?!
New version ICS guns are head over heals compared to their predecessor. Turbo 3000 motor spits out unrivaling torque and RPM, reinfofeced gears as standard, metal bushings, reinfoced gearbox halves. I've held both the 2nd gen ICS guns and now the new 2006 Gen guns and the 2006 gens have a bit more heft to them due to the improvements that have been made. I think people underestimate the power of ICS's piston and piston head. Honestly the one thats in my 2006 is doing incredibly well. Far better then my Guarder Poly Carb in my M100 set up. I find it funny that people complain about not having enough battery space yet for some reason I still can fit in 9.6v 1650 mAh Nunchucks with ease.
Chris I do agree with the wiring issue, the wiring system on my ICS is starting to show its usage but its been fine the past few games. Occasionaly I'll get a semi low battery and it wont turn over very well and will be "erratic" however My ICS has far more instore for it then anyone could forsee... namely MOSFET installation :D
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Hmmm, I should see if my two uppers are different.... I never thought to check that. However the 140 spring is in the original upper, not the new one. I believe that is a pre-2006 upper it is in. I haven't had a problem.
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if you want a gun that will never fail go with the TM. As long as you take standard steps to take care of your gun (lube, clean, decompress the spring, store properly) a TM will never fail you. CA on the other hand, though they have improved ALOT you will still run into problems here and there. G&G i don't care for nor ICS, but pretty much anything you get you can turn into a beast of an AEG with the right upgrades.
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I'd also like to say the M14 simply because I'm sick of seeing so many Armalites (Armalites refering to all M16 look alikes). Before I upgraded my TM it was working amazingly. It out ranges most stock AEG's and some upgraded AEG's. If your looking for an electric sniper rifle anyways I'd get the full length m14 and watch everyone be filled with fear of the 7.62 death! :D
i agree with whiskey11
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i agree with whiskey11
He agrees yeah how stunning. :shock:
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watch out for those 7.62 bbs :lol:
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Yeah, I put one of those in my M700, buy it just jammed. :roll:
But, yeah, I will recommend the ICS M4's to anybody. They are 95% compatible with after market parts and cake to upgrade. That combined with the option for quick upper casing swap outs makes them a definite contender as far as M4 variants go.