Airsoft Arizona
Airsoft Hardware => AEG's => Topic started by: Kingarmssniper on May 15, 2008, 02:16:49 PM
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wow this gun looks like its going to be BAD ASS! for reals ive been looking into what kinda gun would be a step off the beaten path for a cqb game and this thing looks like it fits the bill. The real Kriss fires off .45 caliber rounds with little kick back due to the design! If the airsoft version lives up to any part of the real one (besides aesthetically) i hope it will be a reliable but wicked fast bb sprayer. no doubt the short barrel wont exactly make for acuret but slam a silencer on there with a tight bore and youve got a cqb gun to rival the p-90, and damn if it doesn't look freakin cool to. Madbull do me a solid one and get this gun to work good!!
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Oh and i hear it takes Glock mags...so its a gas smg...wow fast shooting? lets hope it works out good
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wow not bad,
(http://www.enemyforces.com/firearms/kriss_super_v.jpg)
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wow not bad,
yeahhh babys got back
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I have been waiting for it since it appeared. I can't wait to get one, but definitely can wait for 50 round Glock magazines to drop in price before I buy them.
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I have been waiting for it since it appeared. I can't wait to get one, but definitely can wait for 50 round Glock magazines to drop in price before I buy them.
ive heard now that they are thinking about releasing two versions the co2 and aeg? weirddd no doubt the aeg will sell better if they are promoting buying those hella expensive glock mags. Specially since 50 bbs will be gone in like 5 seconds? hahaha
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I have 5 of those 50 mags, I'm set :D Seriously though. Buy them bulk from the net, its cheaper. And while they have an outrageous price tag, they are very nicely made and work flawlessly, continuously. That I will pay for. PS love the new Kris. Now my primary and secondary can share the same mags! :shock:
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Such a beautiful gun. It appears to be that the trigger is above the barrel though? don't recall seeing that in many guns, if any.
It's definitely going to be on my wish list, if it turns out to be as good as everyone hopes.
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I have 5 of those 50 mags, I'm set :D Seriously though. Buy them bulk from the net, its cheaper. And while they have an outrageous price tag, they are very nicely made and work flawlessly, continuously. That I will pay for. PS love the new Kris. Now my primary and secondary can share the same mags! :shock:
damns u is a lucky boy. haha i need to win the loto. And i cant find any more mags for my secondary!!! damn! No of anywhere that sells mags for a taurus pt 92? haha i cant find anyyyyy but hell yeah this thing looks HOT. id rather have an aeg version though. I think gas just gets to temperamental haha though ive never used co2. are they pretty reliable? ive only used green gas.
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I prefer green gas, but I have heard that Co2 hits harder and is more reliable, the only difference I have ever noticed is that with C02 I don't need to haul around my gas can rig, rather a load of small cartridges. Your preference.
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I prefer green gas, but I have heard that Co2 hits harder and is more reliable, the only difference I have ever noticed is that with C02 I don't need to haul around my gas can rig, rather a load of small cartridges. Your preference.
that would be preferable though ten of those things take up the same space as one green gas can! what a pain green gas. is it full? is it sealed? gah sick of it. but idk i like my gun its satisfying haha
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Such a beautiful gun. It appears to be that the trigger is above the barrel though? don't recall seeing that in many guns, if any.
It's definitely going to be on my wish list though, if it turns out to be as good as everyone hopes.
I'm pretty sure its above it to reduce recoil.
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it's above to reduce recoil and make the gun kick back instead of up so the barrel stays more level when fired.
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it's above to reduce recoil and make the gun kick back instead of up so the barrel stays more level when fired.
In a video demonstrating the Kriss, they say that the recoil is not directed back toward the user, but downwards. Why would they need this if the recoil has already been largely re-directed? Just for that extra bit of insurance?
Here's the video. It's from the Future Weapons TV show. The part I talk of starts at around 2:40. Looking at the design, it's a really good idea.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f2kEg8rEPl8
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Th future weapons was correct, it is the new "V" Technology. It channels the force of the blast downward, making the weapon much easier to control. This is a brilliant concept and I am quite looking forward to seeing this gun on both markets, airsoft and otherwise.
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okay, now i feel stupid. lol i read it on a website another website but I should've confirmed it in order to make sure it was correct.
So i'm sorry for the bad info. :oops:
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One please, with some extra fries on the side.
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One please, with some extra fries on the side.
I'll have a kriss kebab myself.
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One please, with some extra fries on the side.
I'll have a kriss kebab myself.
I think airsoft companies around the world need to send me all of their guns and new parts so i can test them.
and keep them
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I have heardthat Madbull had/would have a working prototype/ production model, in march. I have not been able to confirm this and would appreciate any info you guys had on the subject. The gas operated model that runs on Glock mags is confirmed, while I have heard nothing about an AEG model, again any info appreciated. I have absolutely no details on the price, but I estimate it to be anything from 150$-300$ since my G23 cost 130$ and does everything the Kriss is reported to do, alibet with less accuracy, but its a sidearm, so hey. Any info you guys can contribute would be very helpful. I am looking forward to buying this 100% as long as it is not outraeously overpriced, in which case I will simply buy the new sportline CA P90. :D
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All Madbull had in Feb was a resin mockup, so no way they had a functional prototype in Mar. As far as the airsoft version goes, I really don't get what the fascination is with it. As is the case with all gas in mag SMG's, cool down is going to make it basically unusable in FA in most conditions and it's too big to holster. As far as airsoft is concerned, it really doesn't have a purpose.
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But it looks so cool!
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All Madbull had in Feb was a resin mockup, so no way they had a functional prototype in Mar. As far as the airsoft version goes, I really don't get what the fascination is with it. As is the case with all gas in mag SMG's, cool down is going to make it basically unusable in FA in most conditions and it's too big to holster. As far as airsoft is concerned, it really doesn't have a purpose.
Sucks about them only having a resin mockup, but as for the other part, I use my glocks in full auto constantly and continuously, and I rarely get a cooldown problem, the entire mag fires, it gets a little chilly, then I swap mags and reload the old one. Reapeat as necessary.
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Also on this topic. Are you sure they only have a resin mockup, because look at this....
(http://www.acmeairsoft.com/images/madbull%20kriss.jpg)
I see both a mockup and a presumably operational model, could be wrong though, but hopefully not. :D
But does this mean that they are not making the two-tone version? I like the black, but desert/black was much cooler.
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Also on this topic. Are you sure they only have a resin mockup, because look at this....
(http://www.acmeairsoft.com/images/madbull%20kriss.jpg)
I see both a mockup and a presumably operational model, could be wrong though, but hopefully not. :D
But does this mean that they are not making the two-tone version? I like the black, but desert/black was much cooler.
idk its going to be out within the next couple of months so im sure by now they have something more than the resin.
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I know that thats a working model, I think it might be a real one or it could be the externals only. If it were a working model, why would they said that they would have a prototype in March?
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Going back to real steel discussion, I wonder if this gun would benefit from a bullpup config.
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Going back to real steel discussion, I wonder if this gun would benefit from a bullpup config.
I'm not a very smart person when it comes to physics and whatnot, but wouldn't making a bullpup configuration increase muzzle rise when firing the weapon? The systems downward recoil is designed to be towards the center and front end to reduce the muzzle rise, thus increasing the controlability in full auto. Now, putting this system at the rear, would put all the wieght of the action into the rear of the weapon, with insufficient wieght on the front end to stop muzzle rise, wouldn't it? So with this logic of mine, I would say "no" is the answer.
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I know that thats a working model, I think it might be a real one or it could be the externals only. If it were a working model, why would they said that they would have a prototype in March?
Because march was two months ago. Though you are right and it could be a real steel. It also might be mearly a fancy mockup, or a painted mold.
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Going back to real steel discussion, I wonder if this gun would benefit from a bullpup config.
I'm not a very smart person when it comes to physics and whatnot, but wouldn't making a bullpup configuration increase muzzle rise when firing the weapon? The systems downward recoil is designed to be towards the center and front end to reduce the muzzle rise, thus increasing the controlability in full auto. Now, putting this system at the rear, would put all the wieght of the action into the rear of the weapon, with insufficient wieght on the front end to stop muzzle rise, wouldn't it? So with this logic of mine, I would say "no" is the answer.
I'm no expert either. I guess we both must wait until our betters come to save the day.
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My thought is that this weapon would suffer from a bullpup configuration. But anyway, I just learned something new! The top hole on the front of the gun is not the barrel, like I previously thought, but rather a flashlight mount, that fits surefires. I dont know whether or not the airsoft one will mimic this, or if I even like the fact that it is a flashlight holder. Learned something new.....
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I know that thats a working model, I think it might be a real one or it could be the externals only. If it were a working model, why would they said that they would have a prototype in March?
Because march was two months ago. Though you are right and it could be a real steel. It also might be mearly a fancy mockup, or a painted mold.
Wait, you thought that that big hole was the barrel? What caliber did you think it was?
And the picture was from the last shot show I believe.
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I know that thats a working model, I think it might be a real one or it could be the externals only. If it were a working model, why would they said that they would have a prototype in March?
Because march was two months ago. Though you are right and it could be a real steel. It also might be mearly a fancy mockup, or a painted mold.
Wait, you thought that that big hole was the barrel? What caliber did you think it was?
And the picture was from the last shot show I believe.
Nah, I thought it would be a recessed barrel, like its hidden inside a hole in the front, look at the WE Hi-capas, they have the 6mm inner barrel, and then enclose it in a fake (X)mm barrel. UntilI watched the shot show video :D ,I don't know how much I would enjoy cramming a light in there, but I guess it beats sticking it on the top rail. Though, it might look really good with a side-mounted flashlight!
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Now Imagine the Kriss with a misquito molds 40mm launcher where the front handle used to be. O.... This shall be a fine CQB weapon indeed....
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My thought is that this weapon would suffer from a bullpup configuration.
Its not a bullpup, though. :P
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I know that thats a working model, I think it might be a real one or it could be the externals only. If it were a working model, why would they said that they would have a prototype in March?
Because march was two months ago. Though you are right and it could be a real steel. It also might be mearly a fancy mockup, or a painted mold.
Wait, you thought that that big hole was the barrel? What caliber did you think it was?
And the picture was from the last shot show I believe.
Nah, I thought it would be a recessed barrel, like its hidden inside a hole in the front, look at the WE Hi-capas, they have the 6mm inner barrel, and then enclose it in a fake (X)mm barrel. UntilI watched the shot show video :D ,I don't know how much I would enjoy cramming a light in there, but I guess it beats sticking it on the top rail. Though, it might look really good with a side-mounted flashlight!
Oh, good point.
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My thought is that this weapon would suffer from a bullpup configuration.
Its not a bullpup, though. :P
I know! And glad of it! There was a bit of a discussion over the last two pages as to whether or not the Real Steel would be helped or hindered by being configured like a bullpup.
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Ok, I have my design planned out! :D
(http://www.freewebs.com/feelmyrifle/roflkrisslauncher.jpg)
RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY! :shock:
rofl...
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The black one in the picture is a REAL one. Madbull barely got the resin model to the show on time, so they did some photos over at TDI's booth.
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The black one in the picture is a REAL one. Madbull barely got the resin model to the show on time, so they did some photos over at TDI's booth.
Darn, thought that might be the case....
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Ok, I have my design planned out! :D
(http://www.freewebs.com/feelmyrifle/roflkrisslauncher.jpg)
RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY! :shock:
rofl...
starts feeling like a frenchman with germans charging at him. That would be some scary stuff, worse yet is if it has the side rails too, so you could mount 3. :shock: I would hate to come around a corner and see that.
And yes i think the gun would suffer from a bullpup design, the bolts design would have no effect on the recoil basically making it another small SMG.
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Ok, I have my design planned out! :D
(http://www.freewebs.com/feelmyrifle/roflkrisslauncher.jpg)
RUN AWAY! RUN AWAY! :shock:
rofl...
starts feeling like a frenchman with germans charging at him. That would be some scary stuff, worse yet is if it has the side rails too, so you could mount 3. :shock: I would hate to come around a corner and see that.
And yes i think the gun would suffer from a bullpup design, the bolts design would have no effect on the recoil basically making it another small SMG.
3 of them...... Hadn't thought of that....
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You know, you could put four. Remember the top rail?
:shock: Or even...
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8487/200x143cawm203socommy4.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
(http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/8487/200x143cawm203socommy4.264ec6abc9.jpg) (http://g.imageshack.us/g.php?h=215&i=200x143cawm203socommy4.jpg)
You could use the two side rails on the launcher plus the top and sides. Six launchers!
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Brilliant! There goes my economic stimulus package!
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forget a gun. Just bring a grenade launcher. Or, more accurately, 6 grenade launchers mounted on rails nailed to a wooden plank.
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Lets get back to the Kriss. Does anybody know where the sling mounts are? I see the one on the stock, but there has to be another.
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It's probably on the other side of gun as seen in the picture.
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I see one at the front and one at the back, though I doubt I am putting a sling on this gun! The Real steel weighs only five pounds, I sincerly hope the airsoft sticks to this!
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I have more pics! Here is Madbulls design, and a closer look at the resin model. Also, the Real Steel offers a semi, auto, and Burst mode, I wonder if this will make its way through to the airsoft version.
(http://www.freewebs.com/feelmyrifle/MB-TDIKRISSNEWS-4L.jpg)
And.........redwolf just went down........ I will post the pics they have of the resin body when they get back online.
I seriously hope that the burst fire is included however, as this would make the gun much more enjoyable. A 3 mode fire select, stock? Amazing. :D
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I see one at the front and one at the back, though I doubt I am putting a sling on this gun! The Real steel weighs only five pounds, I sincerly hope the airsoft sticks to this!
Well I carry a few guns so I need a sling because it won't be my primary. And I don't want to take the chance of dropping my lovely new gun.
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I see one at the front and one at the back, though I doubt I am putting a sling on this gun! The Real steel weighs only five pounds, I sincerly hope the airsoft sticks to this!
Well I carry a few guns so I need a sling because it won't be my primary. And I don't want to take the chance of dropping my lovely new gun.
where do you guys work to make the money for airsoft hahaha i work 40 hrs a week for 12 bucks an hr and still got no cash haha. frickk would i love to have that as a second gun!! Though im pretty sure im socking all my money into my kingarms gun.
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forget a gun. Just bring a grenade launcher. Or, more accurately, 6 grenade launchers mounted on rails nailed to a wooden plank.
or get a CAW hahaha that has 6 rounds to fire!!! damnnnnn
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forget a gun. Just bring a grenade launcher. Or, more accurately, 6 grenade launchers mounted on rails nailed to a wooden plank.
better yet get a CA SAW with 6 way RIS, add 6 grenade launchers, plus a thread on rifle grenade one for the barrel, plus a claymore strapped to your chest. :D besides the weight it would be the most awesome gun ever.
Anyway back to the Kriss, where is the fire selector on it? and also will the stock be detachable? cause using it as a CQB only weapon means that you could effectively drop the stock with no loss.
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The fire selector is the switch you see on the front and the safety is the one on the back. It has a two round burst I believe.
[img=http://img215.imageshack.us/img215/1995/krissss20080019zi3.th.jpg] (http://img215.imageshack.us/my.php?image=krissss20080019zi3.jpg)
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forget a gun. Just bring a grenade launcher. Or, more accurately, 6 grenade launchers mounted on rails nailed to a wooden plank.
better yet get a CA SAW with 6 way RIS, add 6 grenade launchers, plus a thread on rifle grenade one for the barrel, plus a claymore strapped to your chest. :D besides the weight it would be the most awesome gun ever.
Anyway back to the Kriss, where is the fire selector on it? and also will the stock be detachable? cause using it as a CQB only weapon means that you could effectively drop the stock with no loss.
Even with he stockon its shorter then your average M4, I think that my stock will stay on, but you never know! :D Also I Slap, is right bout the selecter, the ability to choose between 3 should be really cool.
Also! The stock folds to the side, like the G36.
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Does any current airsoft gun have a three round burst? I think I heard of an aftermarket mod, but i have bad memory. 3 round birst would probably be the best thing to come to airsoft since... it would be the second coming perhaps? Not quite, but still pretty awesome.
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Some gas gun have it stock, but it is rare to see it built in, the only gun I have ever seen it on was a pistol, gas, called the "MSR 9"?? I don't remember the exact name, but will post it when I find it, they are common guns, but kind of expensive, also APD sells some sort of 3 shot burst pistol with stock, which is OK, but reqires the huge stock to burst fire, Don't remember why.
**EDIT** The pistol is KW's M93R, I guess I just got them confused.
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Also, here are the detailed resin pics I said I would post, thanks I Slap, for resending these to me after redwolf had a tempory shutdown.
(http://img.redwolfairsoft.com/upload/news/818/MB-TDIKRISSNEWS-2L.jpg)
(http://img.redwolfairsoft.com/upload/news/818/MB-TDIKRISSNEWS-3L.jpg)
As we can see there are plans for both a folding stock, handgrip (not seen on the real steel full black version for some reason), and the selector switch, with burst function included!! I don't know if this is the final design or not, but the fact that the burst fire is included looks promising. :D
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Tokyo Marui's SG550/551 had burst fire. Their Type 89 has burst fire.
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The burst pistol with a stock is a VP 70 and Systema has made a few guns with burst. Also BE is cloning the Type 89 and it comes with a burst chip.
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BE you say? Interesting, I had one of there SL8's, it was ok. Interesting step with the burst chip.
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There is no burst chip in the BE Type 89. Its a straight version 8 gearbox with the mechanical burst.
BEs are largely garbage so I would wait awhile before buying it. It is already out but BE has horrific QC and motors except for their AUG series which are godly in terms of endurance.
As for the KRISS its not very good for a SMG. The mechanics are neat but the current SMGs already have the market and this thing has no purpose. The gun itself unfolded it bigger than the P90 which has a 68rd magazine and built in RD. Its only slightly shorter than a M4 CQBR which brings conformity and part access nor are you limited to the bulky slow and range lacking .45 with a barrel half that of the M4 CQBR and P90. The gun has alot of dead and internal space required for mechanics.
I would gladly take a M4 CQBR over that.
And I know a M4 CQBR isn't a smg.
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Oh, I had heard that the BE had a burst chip. Maybe I got the brand wrong or I got bad info. As for BE; NEVER BUY ONE... Unless its for your opponent.
I think that the Kriss would be more of a fun gun to have. It might not be the most effective but I have my P90 anyway.
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Yeah, I already have many similar guns, including the P90, this is more in terms of "its one of the coolest things Ive seen" and "Its a neat idea" I really like it, thats why Im buying it. This could also be said for the long range guns and such as well, why do people still by M16's and AK- 47'S over G36'S? Colt over Glock? Why? Its up to the buyer. I personally think the Kriss and I are going to have lots of fun. But it will still have to prove itself over my love for the P90.
O! and agreed about BE- Aug's yes, G36 series- maybe, all else, hell no.
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Yeah, I already have many similar guns, including the P90, this is more in terms of "its one of the coolest things Ive seen" and "Its a neat idea" I really like it, thats why Im buying it. This could also be said for the long range guns and such as well, why do people still by M16's and AK- 47'S over G36'S? Colt over Glock? Why? Its up to the buyer. I personally think the Kriss and I are going to have lots of fun. But it will still have to prove itself over my love for the P90.
O! and agreed about BE- Aug's yes, G36 series- maybe, all else, hell no.
so all in all would u rather have the kriss be in the form of gbb or aeg?
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Oh.. Gas blowback indefinately. That is simply amazing, I love green gas products, and a gbb Kriss with recoil would be great, it would also eliminate the "Where does the battery go" issue, and prevent the gun from being compared to the MP7.
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GBB all the way. If it was a AEG then I think it would have a lower rate of fire and a lower fps. I saw an article somewhere where someone took an AEP and put a frame made of computer parts and other pices, I think thats what they might do with an AEG version so I definetly want a GBB.
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I saw that too! It looked amazing, but it was based on a Cyma AEP. :( While AEGs have there benefits, the Kriss will definately be better as a GBB. I have always liked glocks magazine system, so this shouldn't be a problem! GBB all the way.
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Just for reference, that custom built one was Epyon (the grandmaster of SMG's) over on airsoftretreat. In all honesty, his was more practical (imo) than Madbulls.
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Looks cool, but I dunno if its for me. It sounds like a great gun but Ill just stick with my MP5 :D
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I think it's more of a style gun.
A lot of people go for the "Tacti-cool" look.
There's no real purpose for it unless it were for style.
But if it were GBB then it would be okay I suppose.
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I think it's more of a style gun.
A lot of people go for the "Tacti-cool" look.
There's no real purpose for it unless it were for style.
But if it were GBB then it would be okay I suppose.
They're planning on a GBB and maybe an AEG, not the other way around.
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From what I have seen and heard, it appears that the Gas version is a go, but I have heard nothing about the AEG model, which is ok by me. I love gas rifles and pistols so... BRING IT ON!!!!
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I think it's more of a style gun.
A lot of people go for the "Tacti-cool" look.
There's no real purpose for it unless it were for style.
But if it were GBB then it would be okay I suppose.
They're planning on a GBB and maybe an AEG, not the other way around.
Yeah, it would be cool to see a GBB SMG on the scene. I haven't heard of one of those sense the spectre!
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I think it's more of a style gun.
A lot of people go for the "Tacti-cool" look.
There's no real purpose for it unless it were for style.
But if it were GBB then it would be okay I suppose.
They're planning on a GBB and maybe an AEG, not the other way around.
Yeah, it would be cool to see a GBB SMG on the scene. I haven't heard of one of those sense the spectre!
Hmmm, Maruzen MP5k, KSC TMP, those ringing a bell? :)
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I think it's more of a style gun.
A lot of people go for the "Tacti-cool" look.
There's no real purpose for it unless it were for style.
But if it were GBB then it would be okay I suppose.
They're planning on a GBB and maybe an AEG, not the other way around.
Yeah, it would be cool to see a GBB SMG on the scene. I haven't heard of one of those sense the spectre!
Hmmm, Maruzen MP5k, KSC TMP, those ringing a bell? :)
Doh! I forgot the Maruzen charger.
But I never heard of the TMP... I've always wanted one after Resident Evil 4.