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Airsoft Hardware => AEG's => Topic started by: Baron Defier on April 26, 2010, 07:57:17 AM
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Hello everyone, i would like to get a sniper, but when we play we do 3 hits down, with medics, so, a bolt action sniper would be horrible for me. i can move the bolt, aim, and fire fast, but id be scewed before i got to the third shot. Id like suggestions to a semi auto sniper, something with good range and power. Under $250 please. Anything at all?
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I like the m14 match length rifle for counter sniping and extended range shooting a lot. You can't have the full 500 fps that a lot of fields allow for snipers but when it comes to extended range shooting I have yet to find anything better. To be honest though it requires a move from "sniping" and to being a DMR, though I think airsoft favors DMRs over snipers anyway.
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An M16 or M14 can be upgraded to your needed FPS, and if you disable full auto (required for many events), you've got a killer sniper rifle.
I know AxisOfOil has a badass M16 sniper.
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My gun also can't be built for $250. And it isn't allowed at many events.
M14's are good choices. AKs can be made to perform exceptionally well on the cheap too. Those two guns have hopups that work very well and are very adjustable, which is extremely important to long-range fire.
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Thank you guys, id still like more suggstions other than the m14, it sounds good but im not sure. Please keep the suggestions coming!
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My gun also can't be built for $250. And it isn't allowed at many events.
M14's are good choices. AKs can be made to perform exceptionally well on the cheap too. Those two guns have hopups that work very well and are very adjustable, which is extremely important to long-range fire.
I will be the first to agree with axis and that a AK47/74 with a full length barrel makes for a very good extended range gun. My only complaint with them is that for going prone I find the AK mag to get in the way. I like my shorter M14 mags a hell of a lot more.
A big point for sniping and countersniping though is if you are playing desert/urban/etc because it influences what you are going to want. Personally I think that for CQB and such my M14 is one of the worst guns ever made and I will stick towards the back, however I wouldn't want a AK for desert play at all.
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M14s make great DMRs, but they aren't cheap when you intend to use them in that position. You could probably pick up a g&g m14 for about $260. With an scs nub and appropriate bucking you could probably not worry about upgrading it for quite a while.
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Well, you can always get SVD mags for the AK to shorten them. But I do agree... regular AK mags are ginormous. It's ridiculous.
I use my full length AKs74 for all around play, and my SR16 for long-range engagements.
The SR16 is firing in DMR/sniper fps range, and semi only, and the AK is full auto, firing at just under 400fps. Both have upgrades that make them pretty accurate at range. The SR16 is a great sniper/countersniper platform, while the AK can be used for countersniping or mid-range assaulting.
For either it is useful to have a secondary such as a reliable pistol for CQB engagements, as they're just too long to maneuver corners in tight spaces.
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I plan to use this sniper for desert play if that helps specifics.
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The AK mags are only really bad when you are trying to go prone or trying to carry a lot of them. I have considered doing an AK with a battle belt about 6 mags and a "suicide rig" for playing opfor. Throw on my camelback and some grenade pouches and I would seriously be set.
Baron for desert I personally prefer as much range as possible because you can see your enemy so far out it isn't even funny. For me that means the m14 (or similar weapon) that I can get low on some cover with. Plus the long barrel weapons really do allow for some harassing fire outside of shorter barrel's range which can really be used efficiently in a desert enviroment.
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Guide to a Budget m16-type DMR:
Buy a cheap used Full length M16/URX/SR16 etc. Free float handguard, one piece or high quality two-piece outer barrel is a must. You might have to upgrade to this if you can't find it on the gun of your choosing
Replace the hopup unit, bucking, and nub. (I like king arms units, g&g green buckings, and element h nubs)
Replace the barrel with a tb (I have had good experience with the AirsoftGI Brand 6.01)
Get higher rate of spring. (Guarder SP130 or higher for real DMR performance)
Buy some HIGH quality BBs, mid-heavyweight (.28-.36).
Make sure the gears are shimmed perfectly, and your piston is in good shape. The cylinder head, piston head/oring, and the nozzle all need to be high quality and in good shape to ensure repeatable fps.
You'll probably need to upgrade gears/motor/battery/piston/gearbox and move to solid bushings if you go much above a 130.
Finally, sorbothane pads on the cylinder head can help adjust AoE and reduce stress on the gearbox and also quiet down the whole system.
Chances are, $250 isn't going to get you to a DMR-class weapon. Especially if you start with a new gun instead of used.
Guide to a cheap and fairly accurate gun:
Get a dboys/cyma/kalash AK with a full length outer barrel (New or used)
Get a M120 or SP110 spring, bearing spring guide, and a modify polycarb piston, and piston head.
Get an airseal nozzle.
Get a new hopup bucking and nub (Once again, I love the G&G greens + Element H nubs)
Get a tightbore (Madbull 6.03's work great for this when you're on a tight budget).
Easy to do under $250, but won't get you looooong distance. Just above average distance.
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I like above two ideas. Anyone agree?
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I agree with Axis. If you are going to put a scope on your gun I do not recommend an AK. M16 is the way to go in my opinion. The budget of $250 may be hard to accomplish with the M16 though.
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I think I might get a m14 from someone already somewhat upgraded. Thanks for suggestions everyone! BIIIIG help!
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AKs can be made to perform exceptionally well on the cheap too. Those two guns have hopups that work very well and are very adjustable, which is extremely important to long-range fire.
agreed, ak's would fit your purpose quite well.
otherwise, go spring and you can get some serious bang for your buck if you shop smart. that requires more discipline then using an AEG or gas-powered weapons platform, but I think its a blast.. (no pun intended)
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AKs can be made to perform exceptionally well on the cheap too. Those two guns have hopups that work very well and are very adjustable, which is extremely important to long-range fire.
agreed, ak's would fit your purpose quite well.
otherwise, go spring and you can get some serious bang for your buck if you shop smart. that requires more discipline then using an AEG or gas-powered weapons platform, but I think its a blast.. (no pun intended)
Spring won't work. Read the original post next time?
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woops, I thought I had already read through this thread before
:| easy to confuse since there are so many "which kind of rifle should I get" threads..
ANYWAYS :lol:
g3 with full auto disabled, 170% spring, and a 500mm TB with a nice hopup ;) actually you could get away with keeping full auto on the 170, after putting a good amount of rounds through it you should be close enough to the 400 mark
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otherwise, go spring and you can get some serious bang for your buck if you shop smart. that requires more discipline then using an AEG or gas-powered weapons platform, but I think its a blast.. (no pun intended)
yes, but as stated above, springs will do no good for our three hits down and medics.
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woops, I thought I had already read through this thread before
:| easy to confuse since there are so many "which kind of rifle should I get" threads..
ANYWAYS :lol:
g3 with full auto disabled, 170% spring, and a 500mm TB with a nice hopup ;) actually you could get away with keeping full auto on the 170, after putting a good amount of rounds through it you should be close enough to the 400 mark
Haha
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yeah, sorry for the mixup :roll:
your M14 situation sounds promising :)
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Thank you for the support: much appreciated.
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I know AxisOfOil has a badass M16 sniper.
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=27272 (http://www.airsoftarizona.com/forumbb/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=27272)
IMO, it is more fun to have a gun that works every time than it is to have a gun that shoots 25 more ft than the next guy. Just get a full length AEG and get out and play, if you need more range, be sneakier.
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Being sneaky doesnt help when your gun cant fire for crap. But i like snipers anyway, so id rather have one of those than a long barrel AEG.
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I personally like the SR25 with full auto disabled. I have a CA SR25 and it has good distance.
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I know AxisOfOil has a badass M16 sniper.
http://www.airsoftarizona.com/forumbb/v ... =5&t=27272 (http://www.airsoftarizona.com/forumbb/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=27272)
IMO, it is more fun to have a gun that works every time than it is to have a gun that shoots 25 more ft than the next guy. Just get a full length AEG and get out and play, if you need more range, be sneakier.
Lol. It breaks once and everybody has to know. :P
But I agree. Sneakier helps more than a great gun.
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Sneaky helps when you are playing somewhere that really allows for a sneaky mentality. I have found a lot of desert play just doesn't do it. Also I think it is a hell of a lot easier to sneak when you have a squad behind you, providing covering fire and a distraction. Without those two things I don't really consider sneaking an option, cause you just turn into a camping dickhead.
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Sneaky helps when you are playing somewhere that really allows for a sneaky mentality. I have found a lot of desert play just doesn't do it. Also I think it is a hell of a lot easier to sneak when you have a squad behind you, providing covering fire and a distraction. Without those two things I don't really consider sneaking an option, cause you just turn into a camping dickhead.
Yea. Being sneaky works for a little while in Desert play, but as soon as you open the first shot, you've got to either move or die. I find that getting a gun that outranges other people is incredibly advantageous
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Sneaky helps when you are playing somewhere that really allows for a sneaky mentality. I have found a lot of desert play just doesn't do it. Also I think it is a hell of a lot easier to sneak when you have a squad behind you, providing covering fire and a distraction. Without those two things I don't really consider sneaking an option, cause you just turn into a camping dickhead.
Yea. Being sneaky works for a little while in Desert play, but as soon as you open the first shot, you've got to either move or die. I find that getting a gun that outranges other people is incredibly advantageous
exactly my thoughts
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Sneaky helps when you are playing somewhere that really allows for a sneaky mentality. I have found a lot of desert play just doesn't do it. Also I think it is a hell of a lot easier to sneak when you have a squad behind you, providing covering fire and a distraction. Without those two things I don't really consider sneaking an option, cause you just turn into a camping dickhead.
every time we finish a game, im always like "LOOK guys, i actually used two full mags this time!"
its kind of a joke, i almost never fire my weapon.. thats why i love playing up in the mountains, or other places conducive to being stealthy.
oh, and thats with an AEG.. not a "sniper" rifle or DMR
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Personally i don't like the m14's But that being said it will probally be your best bet, the Semi-auto Sniper that i have also can't be built for under 250$
Echo1 Stag15 M8A3 (M4)- 225$
510mm 6.03 TBB- 35$
Black side extender-40$
M150 Spring- 14.99$
Putting the spring in(cause i have no idea what i'm doing)-30$
in this configuration with full auto taken out i am putting out 515 on average with .20s
You can in truth turn any AEG into a "sniper" rifle but you also have to take into consideration that most places won't let them in. the other consideration is that depending on how high you tune the AEG the heavier the BB's that you will need to use. My gun can shoot .20's but they just fly all over the place with no accuracy what so ever. My advantageous is that i also own another M4 and can carry both into a battle without having to carry 2 types of ammo. I wish you the best of luck
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Personally i don't like the m14's But that being said it will probally be your best bet, the Semi-auto Sniper that i have also can't be built for under 250$
Echo1 Stag15 M8A3- 225$
510mm 6.03 TBB- 35$
Black side extender-40$
M150 Spring- 14.99$
Putting the spring in(cause i have no idea what i'm doing)-30$
in this configuration with full auto taken out i am putting out 515 on average with .20s
You can in truth turn any AEG into a "sniper" rifle but you also have to take into consideration that most places won't let them in. the other consideration is that depending on how high you tune the AEG the heavier the BB's that you will need to use. My gun can shoot .20's but they just fly all over the place with no accuracy what so ever. I wish you the best of luck
Except for the part where that gun won't be anywhere near DMR or Sniper accuracy...
and the part where you're going to need more parts than that to make that gearbox handle an m150 reliably for a decent amount of time...
That just might work.
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Personally i don't like the m14's But that being said it will probally be your best bet, the Semi-auto Sniper that i have also can't be built for under 250$
Echo1 Stag15 M8A3- 225$
510mm 6.03 TBB- 35$
Black side extender-40$
M150 Spring- 14.99$
Putting the spring in(cause i have no idea what i'm doing)-30$
in this configuration with full auto taken out i am putting out 515 on average with .20s
You can in truth turn any AEG into a "sniper" rifle but you also have to take into consideration that most places won't let them in. the other consideration is that depending on how high you tune the AEG the heavier the BB's that you will need to use. My gun can shoot .20's but they just fly all over the place with no accuracy what so ever. I wish you the best of luck
Except for the part where that gun won't be anywhere near DMR or Sniper accuracy...
and the part where you're going to need more parts than that to make that gearbox handle an m150 reliably for a decent amount of time...
That just might work.
This is True but accuracy wise with .28's I'm hitting my mark every time on a good day. as for the parts I've had it in for a few months and the worse problem i've ever had is a Jam. Of course i'm anal about my guns and are throughly cleaned after every game
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About this stuff on how some places won't let me in, I really don't care. I have a big enough team to have fun ourselves, plus I'm not allowed to go to most events anyway cause I'm only 15 and alot of games I see are 18+
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I'm surprised this thread hasn't gotten a G&G M14 endorsement from Whiskey11 yet.
Getting your gun to work the way you want it to is everyone's goal, I believe.
It's going to start following your wallet home from work sooner or later.
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Haha m 14 endorsement?
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Haha m 14 endorsement?
He's usually on top of these threads recommending an m14 as much as I am usually on recommending version 2-based builds.
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I see
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The g&g m14s are pretty solid. There's someone selling one without the stock for $60 in he for sale section. You could pick up an abs stock and rubber butt plate for about $110 on asgi.
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The g&g m14s are pretty solid. There's someone selling one without the stock for $60 in he for sale section. You could pick up an abs stock and rubber butt plate for about $110 on asgi.
With luck, This will be gone today.
There is a full G&G with issues for 80$ somewhere in the sale section. Search...
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I'd rather not get a unwholesome gun haha
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I'm surprised this thread hasn't gotten a G&G M14 endorsement from Whiskey11 yet.
Getting your gun to work the way you want it to is everyone's goal, I believe.
It's going to start following your wallet home from work sooner or later.
Ask and you shall receive :P
G&G M14 Veteran... 350$ Full Metal Full wood, beefy gearbox and shoots 380 w/ .25's out of the box (For those counting thats like 415 w/ .20's) A new hop up rubber and nub and they are tack drivers. I ran mine stock (Minus barrel hop up and nub) for about 125,000 rounds at stock levels before replacing the piston, and then another 20,000ish rounds with the new piston then I threw in Sorbothane and a new spring (Guarder SP 130) Now shoots about 455 w/ .20's and is a real tackdriver at range. Works great for me :)
To take an AR and get the same accuracy out of it as any of the M14 platforms would require some serious work.
Here is an excellent link on what to do to get an accurate DMR platform:
http://airsoftsniper.proboards.com/inde ... 1291&page1 (http://airsoftsniper.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=aeg&thread=1291&page1)
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Thanks whiskey, but I'm already set. Thanks anyway
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That thread actually contains quite a few interesting tips to improve air seal, which is good for any gun. I've thought about converting my soc16 to a dmr piece by piece. I need to sand down the finish on the wood stock though, and that will be... fun
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Haha
true that
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As far as getting an M16, i think echo makes one for a good price that seems to be reliable to any one i know who ones it. check it out http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_info.php?products_id=2355
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There is also the SL-8. Its the sniper version of the G36 series.
http://www.trinityairsoft.com/p-442-cla ... t-gun.aspx (http://www.trinityairsoft.com/p-442-classic-army-ca8-2-rifle-aeg-airsoft-gun.aspx)
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Cool
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SL-8's are probably one of my favorites DMR's...
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SL-8's are probably one of my favorites DMR's...
Well you've seen my DMR
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SL-8's are probably one of my favorites DMR's...
Well you've seen my DMR
haha this is true! i'm not partial to M4's and their various family members though 8) they are a dime a dozen imo
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SL-8's are probably one of my favorites DMR's...
Well you've seen my DMR
haha this is true! i'm not partial to M4's and their various family members though 8) they are a dime a dozen imo
yeah However mine is a peice of Art
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Pick: post a picture
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Pick: post a picture
viewtopic.php?f=12&t=27389 (http://airsoftarizona.com/forumbb/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=27389)
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That's what I call a SEXY BEAST!!!
How much did that cost to make? (alot I'm assuming)
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That's what I call a SEXY BEAST!!!
How much did that cost to make? (alot I'm assuming)
after everything said and done close to 450$
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Sweet. I may convert an Ak into a DMR
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Sweet. I may convert an Ak into a DMR
you could but just remember it can get costly
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dont feel like finding it :p how much is it?
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dont feel like finding it :p how much is it?
How much is what? the conversion or how much am i selling mine?
Mine is 400$
Converting your AK can cost as much or as little as you want it to. I upgraded the spring, the Barrel in mine to make it into a DMR along with a bipod and scope and a few other things. I'm sure for about 150$ you can get yours converted as well.
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dont feel like finding it :p how much is it?
How much is what? the conversion or how much am i selling mine?
Mine is 400$
Converting your AK can cost as much or as little as you want it to. I upgraded the spring, the Barrel in mine to make it into a DMR along with a bipod and scope and a few other things. I'm sure for about 150$ you can get yours converted as well.
I believe he tried to reply to my PM and hit the link for the thread instead. lol.