Airsoft Arizona
Arizona Game Discussions => Local Games Listing/RSVP => Topic started by: Lady Wolf on October 16, 2012, 08:56:16 PM
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Shock & Awe hosting (Raptor & Lady Wolf co-leading)
Airsoft War Scenario: Ultimate Flag Warfare
Event Cost: $5 Per Player
(This covers water, but bring your own lunch.)
Scheduled for: Sunday October 28th, 2012
Meeting Time: 8AM
Meeting Location: Denny’s parking lot in Prescott
Mission Scenario Rules:
1.) Shock & Awe KIA Zones Apply to ALL Players.
2.) Shock & Awe Field Rules Apply to ALL Players.
Specific Scenario Briefing will take place in the field.
Additional Information:
If Raptor does not have an up to date airsoft waiver and airsoft field rules on file for the player then that player will NOT be allowed to play.
Raptor will have airsoft waivers and airsoft field rules available at the event to be signed.
For ALL players under the age of 18, be sure to bring your parents to sign the waiver and field rules, OR stop by the airsoft store in Prescott Valley, AZ to get the paperwork ahead of time.
If you are NOT a “Shock & Awe” team member I would recommend bringing tables and chairs because there is nowhere for you to get your gear ready other then in your vehicle OR in the dirt on the ground.
Tables and etc. provided by the event planner are ONLY for “Shock & Awe” team members to use.
Please come PREPARED for this event.
RSVP's are appreciated, but not required.
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Sounds interesting.
Since I live down here in Chandler, would it be possible for you to either mail or email the waiver to me? My parents are sure as hell not willing to drive up to Prescott just to sign a waiver :P
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Is it midcaps only?
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If we bring our own water do we need to pay the $5?
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Sounds interesting.
Since I live down here in Chandler, would it be possible for you to either mail or email the waiver to me? My parents are sure as hell not willing to drive up to Prescott just to sign a waiver :P
This should be ok, I'll have Raptor get something out to you.
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Is it midcaps only?
NO! Come & Play with what you have, no restrictions. :-)
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If we bring our own water do we need to pay the $5?
Yes you do, it's not just for water. Sorry my post gave that impression. :-\
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I think my team might be interested in this. Will give you a solid confirmation later this week.
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Hi Everybody, thanks for responding!
Because we like to play outdoors we have no FPS restrictions and we also have no restrictions on mag capacity, feel free to bring your hi-caps :)
$5 is the cost of the event regardless if you want water or not. In order to do these airsoft events I do have to close my business (I keep my airsoft store open 6 days a week) and I feel that $5 is not too much to ask.
If you need a airsoft waiver and field rules emailed to you then please send a email to Adam@TacticalAirsoftGuns.com requesting the info and I will reply with the attachments.
Hope to see you all there!!!
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I hope there is a Minimum Engagement distance atleast in place for lacking a rule against High FPS's. I hope I am not the only person concerned about this as a Safety Hazard.
We call it a 'Bang Out' distance, it's in our Shock & Awe Field Rules. Shoot Adam (aka Raptor, co-leader of Shock & Awe) a PM or email and he'll get you the info. I'm not so sure off the top of my head and I don't want to mis-quote the distance.
I think my team might be interested in this. Will give you a solid confirmation later this week.
We would love to have you come up and play!
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I'll go and I will be running 575fps@30rps
Can't wait ......
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I'll go and I will be running 575fps@30rps
Can't wait ......
Let me just turn my regulator almost off and open my PCS bolt all the way on my tanaka running c02, 650fps+ with .4's
Fun times.
Oh my! You guys are on MY team!
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But seriously,you have no restrictions on Fps? I mean cause I can put red nozzle in my polar star and get just about 700fps. Nobody will be able to get close to me on the field.
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My apologies guys, I did not realize you had guns shooting so fast. My team is a family friendly team with players as young as 10 years old. I will have to come up with FPS limits after discussing them with my team and I will get them posted up here ASAP.
Thanks for understanding.
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Thanks KillerDrgn, I like to know what other peoples opinions are. Do you feel that 450 FPS with .2's is a good limit for AEG's? and how about 550 FPS with .2's as a limit for sniper rifles?
I also have call out distances. Any airsoft gun running from 300 to 400 FPS will have a 20 foot "BANG" call out distance. Any guns running over 400 FPS will have a 25 foot "BANG" call out distance.
If anyone has any other thoughts or ideas please feel free to post.
And Thanks :)
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Thanks KillerDrgn, I like to know what other peoples opinions are. Do you feel that 450 FPS with .2's is a good limit for AEG's? and how about 550 FPS with .2's as a limit for sniper rifles?
I also have call out distances. Any airsoft gun running from 300 to 400 FPS will have a 20 foot "BANG" call out distance. Any guns running over 400 FPS will have a 25 foot "BANG" call out distance.
If anyone has any other thoughts or ideas please feel free to post.
And Thanks :)
If the distance is over 15 feet, and especially if both players have clear view of each other, it would quickly turn into a "I saw whatshisface before he saw me, I'm not out" scenario, leading to the payers shooting each other anyways. Surrenders are meant to be a stealthy way to call players out. I would cap the fps at 425 maximum for automatic weapons, and around 550 for snipers.
Also, since sniper rifles have such a high fps typically, it would be wise to enforce a MED as to not cause a safety hazard.
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Killer Dragn is right on with usual FPS limits and engagement rules.
No ten year old should be in airsoft- my opnion.
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Killer Dragn is right on with usual FPS limits and engagement rules.
No ten year old should be in airsoft- my opnion.
All the more reason to lower the fps limits. As much as small children annoy me sometimes, I feel bad for shooting them :P
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Speaking of which, a minimum age should also be enforced. Say, 16 at the very youngest.
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Speaking of which, a minimum age should also be enforced. Say, 16 at the very youngest.
Age restrictions don't need to be enforced on pick up games. Todays young players are tomorrows veterans. When we host games all ages are welcome as long as they have the proper safety equipment. Don't like there rules then don't play at there games. Its that simple!
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Speaking of which, a minimum age should also be enforced. Say, 16 at the very youngest.
Age restrictions don't need to be enforced on pick up games. Todays young players are tomorrows veterans. When we host games all ages are welcome as long as they have the proper safety equipment. Don't like there rules then don't play at there games. Its that simple!
Ah, didn't realize that this is a pickup game
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So I have been hosting monthly airsoft games for almost three years now and I am still learning lots about events. Thank you to everyone for your thoughts and opinions. I will continue to discuss the limits with my team members who I have not yet talked to so that I can get them up here ASAP.
I hope you all have a great day and I send my best wishes to you and yours.
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Shock and awe. There are plenty of airsoft vets and teams who host all the time to help you run a game. Just ask, thats what the forums are for.
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I'm fine with KillerDragn's limits, seems reasonable to me
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Go here
http://www.oplionclaws.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=112&t=4300 (http://www.oplionclaws.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=112&t=4300)
2.2 "BANG, BANG!" 2.2.1 If a player enters a close range situation where firing his weapon could result in unnecessary harm to an opposing player, AND he/she has the target "dead to rights," he/she must use the "Bang, Bang!" rule. 2.2.2 "Bang, Bang!" is a safety call ONLY. It is NOT a way of killing someone tactically. As such it is not optional you should honor the call and immediately pull out your red rag. If said player was particularly sneaky, it is appropriate to honor the kill by "quietly dying" to not give away that player's position. 2.2.3 Do not use "Bang Bang!" in a situation where it could be disputed by a fellow player. If you do not have the target "100% no chance of survival/dead", closer than 15 feet from behind the opposed player, do not say "Bang, Bang!". DO NOT:
EX 1: You see multiple players from a distance, run though the group yelling "Bang Bang!" at everyone. EX 2: You are hidden behind a bush, and opposed player approaches from the front. You call out "Bang Bang!" before he/she reacts. EX 3: You come around a bush and immediately face to face with another player less than 10 feet from you. DO use TRUCE (2.3) instead.
3 - CHRONO AND VELOCITY/ENERGY LIMITS
3.1 Velocity reducers are NOT allowed at any OPLCMSS Event.. 3.1.1 Players should report to the chrono station with an empty mag for each weapon. The Chrono staff member will insert the testing BBs in the empty mag. All weapons will be chronographed using the sponsor provided .25 gram Biodegradable BBs. 3.1.2.REGULAR CHRONO
OK < 366 fps NO GO > 367 fps See 3.1.4
NOTE: Individual events reserve the right to institute a CAUTION range (Subject to frequent checks) generally between 366-376 fps THIS SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A GOAL FOR FPS. <366 IS THE LIMIT
3.1.3 SNIPER CHRONO Converted levels to use .25 6mm BBs based upon accepted standard Sniper Chrono levels of 550 FPS W/ .20 BB.(2.976 J.) and rounded UP. All 6mm sniper weapons will be chronographed using the provided Sponsor chrono BB.
OK < 510fps (3.005 J) NO GO > 511 fps see 3.1.4
NOTE: Individual events reserve the right to institute a CAUTION range (Subject to frequent checks) generally between 510-525 fps THIS SHOULD NOT BE CONSIDERED A GOAL FOR FPS. <510 IS THE LIMIT
*8MM Levels as follows –Using .34g (8mm) BBs: OK < 448 fps, NO GO > 450 fps see 3.1.4 Using .36g (8mm) BBs: OK< 436 fps, NO GO > 438 fps see 3.1.4
3.1.4 If a gun fires in the NO GO range, the Chrono Marshall will immediately check the weapon. If he duplicates the NO GO FPS, the Airsoft weapon will immediately be red tagged. 3.1.5 A red-tagged gun has three options:
a. The player leaves the AO with the Airsoft weapon. b. The player tunes the weapon to at or below the posted spec and re-chronos the gun.
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As the owner of an airsoft business and an airsoft team that is FAMILY / KID FRIENDLY for all ages I very firmly believe in the safe and responsible use of airsoft guns. I also firmly believe in the airsoft “honor code”.
Our 10 year old team member has played with more honor and maturity then 90% of the 16 year olds that have played with us over the last two years.
When I originally said we have no FPS limits I expected everyone to be prepared to play with honor and maturity, simply meaning you are not going to turn your gun as high as it can shoot BECAUSE you can respect the safety of another player, regardless of their age.
If you are NOT mature enough to know that you DON’T need to make your gun as fast as possible then don’t bother attending my events. FPS limits have been set. We are all (even our 10 year old) very mature players who want to have a good time withOUT anyone’s ego OR attitude getting in the way.
I am not trying to be or sound rude; however I think it is rather obvious for me to put my foot down and verify that everyone understands we are only interested in playing with other players who can be mature about the game, regardless of their actual age.
In conclusion we are a small group of 10 to 30 players who want to have a fun time. So if you have maturity issues, ego issues, attitude issues, or you just want to flat out be a jerk, don’t bother coming to play with us.
Thank you for your understanding.
Updated Field Rules with FPS limits can be seen at:
http://tacticalairsoftguns.com/shawefiru.html (http://tacticalairsoftguns.com/shawefiru.html)
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I didn't see anyone being a jerk or on an ego trip.
We all pointed out the you have no rules and needed to get some set up.
On a side note what's in the water that makes it worth 5$ ?
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I didn't see anyone being a jerk or on an ego trip.
We all pointed out the you have no rules and needed to get some set up.
On a side note what's in the water that makes it worth 5$ ?
Actually a couple of you pointed out that because there weren't any FPS limits you could shoot your guns really fast, therefor causing us to question why someone would want to if you're playing in close quarters (as in, less then 50 feet). We have never had this kind of an issue before and when first reading about events on here I, personally, thought FPS & mag limits were uncalled for. Now I understand why they are there.
We do have rules and as stated by Shock & Awe we were happy to share those, though we admitted that this has, and will continue to be, a learning process. The information you gave us has been really helpful.
The $5 is for more than just water, sorry my original post wasn't clearer. It's for a day of lost business, considering the cost's of other events I think this is more than reasonable.
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Ok,this has gotten way out of hand. I know what I said about my polar star but it doesn't mean I am gonna do it. I am here to have fun not hurt people. I met with who I believe is your brother at his store yesterday. We had a nice talk and I laid it all out on the table about it. "Side note" when you post games in the future just also put up no thread crapping,if you aren't showing up don't post. By the way I will be there for sure plus 1.
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Everybody who was talking about raising their FPS so high was just trying to point out why FPS restrictions are a good neccessary thing. They were just trying to get you guys to see that. This has happened before and although it may come across as a smart ass comment or they may look like jerks they are just trying to get you to put up some FPS and safety rules so people won't show up shooting that hot.
I'll try and make it up there if most of my team wants to go.
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Ok,this has gotten way out of hand. I know what I said about my polar star but it doesn't mean I am gonna do it. I am here to have fun not hurt people. I met with who I believe is your brother at his store yesterday. We had a nice talk and I laid it all out on the table about it. "Side note" when you post games in the future just also put up no thread crapping,if you aren't showing up don't post. By the way I will be there for sure plus 1.
I agree and feel I need to thank you for backing up the age of our players. (Lady Wolf almost became Momma Bear and that's NOT a good thing! ;))
Everybody who was talking about raising their FPS so high was just trying to point out why FPS restrictions are a good neccessary thing. They were just trying to get you guys to see that. This has happened before and although it may come across as a smart ass comment or they may look like jerks they are just trying to get you to put up some FPS and safety rules so people won't show up shooting that hot.
I'll try and make it up there if most of my team wants to go.
Understood, as we both said this is a learning experience. I guess I just don't play those games, if I want to suggest to someone to do XYZ I just come out and say it. Then again, I carry salt with me at all time so I can deal with the taste of my foot in my mouth because it gets put there A LOT. :D
Looking forward to meeting both you guys and your teams/guests. See ya on Sunday!
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Directions please someone.. THANK YOU.
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I'd like to attend but have no idea where to go. Any info on that?
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Directions please someone.. THANK YOU.
The street address for the Prescott Denny's is 1316 Iron Springs Rd.
Come into Prescott on Hwy 69 or Hwy 89 (they merge into Hwy 89)
At the Y intersection go right onto Sheldon, stay there until it T's into Montezuma
At the T intersection go right again onto Montezuma, stay there, the road will change names twice, once to Whipple then to Iron Springs
At the intersection of Iron Springs and Gail Gardner turn right, you will see Denny's on your left.
We don't actually meet IN the Denny's, just in their parking lot.
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Sorry about this but some bad mojó came up with my wifes sister so I won't be able to make it up there this sunday.
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Sorry about this but some bad mojó came up with my wifes sister so I won't be able to make it up there this sunday.
We'll miss you - but I understand, family first!
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Just wondering. About how many people are going to be there? I don't wanna waste gas if very few show.
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Just wondering. About how many people are going to be there? I don't wanna waste gas if very few show.
With only a few RSVP's from non-team members, we're guessing around 20.
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Thanks i be there.
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I'll be there plus2
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I'll be there plus2
It was great to meet you guys. Both games were a blast! Thanks for coming up!
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The boys and myself had a great time! I'm sure we'll be back soon. Thanks
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Anybody get any pictures?
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Not that I saw and I forgot my camera
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Anybody get any pictures?
Sorry, we all play so we don't usually get pic's. I'll try to remember my camera for the next game (end of Nov) and post a few.
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Had a ton of fun!!! Thanks to everyone who attended!