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Airsoft Hardware => Gas Powered Guns => Topic started by: chainsaw on June 30, 2005, 06:37:09 PM
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I was thinking about getting one of these and sawing off the stock and using it to take long shots, has anyone ever considerd this? also I would youse my aeg and gbb for under 50' Is this a good idea?[/list]
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lobo has one for sale that comes with a crap load of mags i think he has 7 for it for like $200. Not a bad deal concidering that the clips cost about 25 dollars each. He'll be at the game july 3rd
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quite a markup from what he got it for :lol: I only need like one or 2 mags though.
Edit :great deal though
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not really, plus the fact that lobo takes care of his equipment. It's not bad if I didn't already order mine. I would have bought it.
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quite a markup from what he got it for :lol: I only need like one or 2 mags though.
Edit :great deal though
Ummm, no dude. 7x$25=$175+109.99=$284.99. I would not scoff at an 85 dollar savings.
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Acculey he bought it used for much less. Next time maybe you shouldnt talk unless you know the info.
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i know he bought it use but your buying new so thats what you'll pay. Lobo's not offering a bad deal.
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Yeah it is, I wanst talking to you, I was talking to cheeze. But you do have a point I might try to see if he'll sell with only 2 or 3 mags.
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i've been shot by it in the ass from 120 feet away while running lol. for some reason his ungodly accurite.
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Ture that it is. Did you manage to see if the stock was needed for any reason?
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lobo was using
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I really like mine. I drives tacks at looong distances.
Mags are something like $25.00 at JT. not bad at all.
Only thing; If you wish to use something other than a .22 scope, you'll need a larger rail. I used a scrap one and some J-B Weld. Did the trick for my BSA red-dot.
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Wow you guys are ghetto....Well Chainsaw, talk to me at the game on sunday and I will show you a REAL covert sniper rifle...one that will punch thru a coke can at 100yds...and really hit it too....:)
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Ok ill be the short kid like 5'4 o yeah skinny to.
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Pah, Andy knows NOTHING about sniping. He can't hit a a streetlight...175 feet away...in the middle of the night. ;)
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Pah, Andy knows NOTHING about sniping. He can't hit a a streetlight...175 feet away...in the middle of the night. ;)
So who broke it then?
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Broke what, MY M700?!
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I have two things to say about that gun... (And I actually own one.)
It's insanely accurate, and it's... It feels like it's not even there. ;)
To give you an idea of how accurate it is, I'll put it this way: At an estimated range of "about" 50' (from one end of my backyard to the other) I can hit a target that measures about 1" x 1" with no aiming device of any kind (other than the iron sights) about 5/10 shots (this is with the target moving slightly from the wind and impact from the previous shots.)
On the other hand, my brother didn't hit the target once in two entire clips... He insists it's because "it shoots down, you need to adjust it." (right...)
You tell me if that's accurate enough. It works for me. ;)
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Thanks you bringing it to the game on sunday I might purchase lobos and a mag or so or a new one from JT.
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But i wont ever be caught with one because:
1. INaccurate for long distances
2. Impractical, and not tactical!
3. Ugly
4. Cant use heavy bb's....
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Why cant it use heavy bbs?
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Why cant it use heavy bbs?
I dont believe it has an adjustable hop, although I could be wrong, but I don't think it shoots hot enough to use .36 or .43 and be accurate past 50ft....when your accurate to the body extremity at 250+ ft with a gun...then call it an effective sniper/counter sniper rifle.
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It does have adjustable hop up and 2 it shoots hot sometimes to hot so you have to part fill gas or use weaker. just ask lobo i think his shot like 600 with redgas
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...Ah, -Very accurate at long distance (for an airgun)..
-Tactical! Light, easy to deploy, good sights, even stock..
-Ugly?? Ruger made a beautiful .22, and this baby is very close..
-Can't use heavy BB's, Why would you need them at the range this will shoot?
Now, maybe it doesn't look like something Sgt. Rock or G.I. Joe would carry, but for less than $120.00, It'll shoot as far as some of the custom toys running $1000.00 plus.
Might not let you feel "military" but easier on the wallet. Just pretend you're the Man from U.N.C.L.E.
(Cool old 70's TV show for you younger dudes).
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Can't use heavy BB's, Why would you need them at the range this will shoot?
plust itll look badass when I rip this thing out.
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Guys dont forget Its going to share my camelbak pouch with my camel back. so style doesnt matter plust itll look badass when I rip this thing out.
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Guys dont forget Its going to share my camelbak pouch with my camel back. so style doesnt matter plust itll look badass when I rip this thing out.
No, it won't...I will laugh, look through my scope again, breathe, squeeze and watch you go down. :lol:
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you mean after I already shot you that would be cheating!
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Andy, you don't know crap about that gun. It HAS an adjustable hopup(annoying though) and it can use heavy wieght BBs. And it is fairly accurate, if not AS accurate as your fancy Tanaka M40.
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Vince :roll:
At 500FPS plus, it will hit far enough away to need the 50' rule applied.
Modifying it to shoot even farther might work, but kind of defeats the purpose of a sub-200 buck airsoft gun, doesn't it?
So why even bother with heavier .BB's?
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Firehead, I'd say that in order to get near the accuracy of a Tanaka M40, it'd need a metal hop and a longer inner barrel...both of which are damn near extinct for it. Paired with kicbb's metal hop chamber, it's actually a decent gun, but, well, nobody has those.
Mooncruiser...do you know what it would be like trying to accurately shoot a .2 BB at 500FPS? Please. :roll: stands. End the chairsofting...garner experience, then form correct opinions.
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Andy mind if I take a shot or two with your rifle?
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Andy, you don't know crap about that gun. It HAS an adjustable hopup(annoying though) and it can use heavy wieght BBs. And it is fairly accurate, if not AS accurate as your fancy Tanaka M40.
Twas Why I said, correct me if Im wrong. It just doesnt fit into the "sniper" role at all...maybe counter sniper but its just a pistol on roids...
Chainsaw, I don't see how you can shoot me while you are still whipping it out... I thought by 5th grade they tought logical order of thinking. :roll:
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Nah I ment to say putting it away.
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Who cares if it "fits" into the sniper role? It performs as well as any sniper rifle on the field for about 1/3(or less) the cost of a decent rifle.
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Who cares if it "fits" into the sniper role? It performs as well as any sniper rifle on the field for about 1/3(or less) the cost of a decent rifle.
Well..Someone bring a MK1 to the game on the 3rd....and well see how it fairs up with my gun, if I get this tightbore installed in time...
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You won't even be running a stock gun, so you really can't compare the two, becuase you have an obvious advantage(like my ak versus an m4). Compare them stock, then you have something to brag about. With the same equipment, or close, the Mk1 will work just as well, if not better than your M40.
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Yeah Vince, I like sitting in my comfy ol' chair in the backyard and shooting 3" groups at 150 feet.
I could get more range but the eyes are gettin' bad. 8)
Face it, any more FPS and we're getting into the serious injury range. Gotta keep it a game or get more EMT's playing..
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Yes, Mooncruiser. The idea is that if you shoot at 500 f/s with .2s, you'll shoot slower with heavier BBs (usually). The joules will remain constant, so it will contain the same energy, but a heavier BB is way more stable, since there is more mass, thus more force needed by outside elements to disrupt it's flight path.
Case in point : if you are sniping, you use heavy BBs. Can you tell me why Maruzen makes their Super Grand Masters .29's and not .2's?
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Yeah Vince, I like sitting in my comfy ol' chair in the backyard and shooting 3" groups at 150 feet.
I could get more range but the eyes are gettin' bad. 8)
Face it, any more FPS and we're getting into the serious injury range. Gotta keep it a game or get more EMT's playing..
I think you have no idea what your talking about....Once you get past a certain fps...with a certain length of barrel, bb's get to a certain point and go in different directions like no other...This is how it works
A light bb goes everywhere....
A heavy bb may not go as far(in a not powerful enough gun) but stays on course farther and will hit harder...I gauruntee you will feel a .43 at 200ft...you might not feel sht with a .25 or .2...
If you need proof..I will put a .2, then .25, then 30, then 36, then 43 in my rifle...You tell me which ones go flying everywhere and which ones dont. ;)
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Okay, fair enough. I agree with what you are both saying. A heavier round will fly more stable.
What I am saying is that the .20 BB I shoot is accurate enough at 150' to hit most any target. This gun chrono's at 500 and above sometimes. (I'm now using straight propane from the adapter) At the distance I'm shooting, it shoot's good enough. Nothing flying off course so far.
I wonder what someone getting shot accidentally at "close" range with a really hot gun is going to experience? Where's the limit to FPS?
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I know what the experience is like. It's not great, but it isn't terrible either. My AEG shoots 150' body-accurate as well...how is that "sniper" ?
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Okay, fair enough. I agree with what you are both saying. A heavier round will fly more stable.
What I am saying is that the .20 BB I shoot is accurate enough at 150' to hit most any target. This gun chrono's at 500 and above sometimes. (I'm now using straight propane from the adapter) At the distance I'm shooting, it shoot's good enough. Nothing flying off course so far.
I wonder what someone getting shot accidentally at "close" range with a really hot gun is going to experience? Where's the limit to FPS?
150ft really isn't a badass shot....It's 150ft to my trashcan from my garage..and at that range I can hit a shoebox with my G23...Past 250-300ft is where its at. BRO!
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What do ypur 250-300' range rifles chrono at?
I know you can get unbelievable FPS out of an airgun. My RWS .177 zips at near 1200FPS ..That's .22 velocity.
With a heavy .177 round, that'll kill, boys.
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500 w/ .2s
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500 w/ .2s
+/- on mine...its adjustable, thru different gasses and the PCS bolt.
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Not to mention the ruger can get a faster rate of fire. There is not bolt to operate, only a trigger to pull, so it probably makes up for any lost accuracy.
You can use it to defend youreslf (from a distance) as well as a useing it as a sniper weapon.
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Not to mention the ruger can get a faster rate of fire. There is not bolt to operate, only a trigger to pull, so it probably makes up for any lost accuracy.
You can use it to defend youreslf (from a distance) as well as a useing it as a sniper weapon.
A "sniper" weapon is bolt action....why do you think besides the Barret series, all other match grade sniper rifles are bolt action? The .50 isnt a tango killer, its a tank killer! :lol: A sniper should switch to a sidearm, or a backup(small aeg gbb Smg etc). As a sniper, you shouldn't be seen in the first place, and if you are, you should be able to fend off anyone before they get clsoe.
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It does no good to compare a airsoft gun to a real one. We're playing a game, after all, so whatever works, does.. regardless of what a firearm is.
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It does no good to compare a airsoft gun to a real one. We're playing a game, after all, so whatever works, does.. regardless of what a firearm is.
Most of us are into airsoft for milsim, if you want to be non milsim, play with McDowell Mountain Airsoft, they like black gear and 600fps pistols.. Have fun.
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Chainsaw, in response to your post on this gun I would definetly look into it as a primary sniper. I've seen these used to great effect in games before and it's the sniper gun that my wife has as her choice (and she is also 5'4"). Also the gun is nice and compact, (no need to cut off the stock, anyway you'll want the stock to keep it steady while aiming) this gun will make you much more mobile than any bolt action. When it comes down to it allways choose practical over tactical.
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A sniper rifle isn't always a bolt action rifle. M16s in vietnam were used by snipers. PSG-1s are sniper rifles. So are M21s/M25s. So are G3A4s. Dragonuvs are also sniper rifles. So are VSS Vintorez rifles. And everything I just named is a semi automatic rifle(with exception of the M16 and G3).
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But in the world of sniping, you want tactical.
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Thanks pryde Lobo is sellign mags for the gun for 15$ a peice if you need his # pm me.
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Thanks pryde Lobo is sellign mags for the gun for 15$ a peice if you need his # pm me.
Thanks man, I allready have his # though, just got done talking to him about the gun past couple of days. If you are seriously interested in buying it off him let me know, I was going to but I don't need the gun as bad as I need extra mags. If you want it go for it and I'll just buy the mags that you don't....
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Well if its working perfectly i think ill buy it with one mag if not ill just buy it new and maybe one of lobos mags.
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My .02...
I've been shot by Lobo with his MK11 and it seems to be pretty accurate. It is not as sexy looking as a longer, bolt action rifle such as the m24 or m40a1. It is shorter, which makes it easier to crawl around with.
I wouldn't rely on your rifle too much. In the sniper role fieldcraft, cammo and evasion plays a larger role. If you run around like and idiot you're going to get shot regardless.....
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My .02...
I've been shot by Lobo with his MK11 and it seems to be pretty accurate. It is not as sexy looking as a longer, bolt action rifle such as the m24 or m40a1. It is shorter, which makes it easier to crawl around with.
I wouldn't rely on your rifle too much. In the sniper role fieldcraft, cammo and evasion plays a larger role. If you run around like and idiot you're going to get shot regardless.....
I agree whole heartedly about the MK1. I also have been shot with it... @ 225ft + (uh and he was using .36). The weapon is very accurate. However a "sniper" using this weapon needs to be a very good judge of distance as well. I have already sen a "Semi" serious injury come from the pistol version of the MK1 (a bb lodged in the eyebrow of another player by a player using the pistol version and had no concern for distance, and yes they were both wearing eye protection standard safety glasses, guess that's another argument for goggles.).
As a matter of fact it was the same .36 that Reaver gave Lobo to try at one of the games.
The only problems I have seen with the MK1 is in it's functions. The trigger mechanism has to be "broke in" or it doesn't always reset. Another problem that appears with time is that the mags expand and become real tight in the well. This causes you to have to basicly "tap" them back into shape with a hammer. Also the gun when in extremem heat or cold temp will not consistently(?) fire. By that I mean that each pull of the trigger will not mean the weapon will fire.
I have actually worked on Lobo's MK1 and have seen this happen at several games. Although it is simple enough to get it working again, it is stoill a real pain.
(and this is from experience)
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Thanks bucket is this all mk1's or just lobos? Also, on the trigger mechinism can you just push it foreward?
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Speaking of the PSG1....Hk claims a shot dispersal of less than 60mm at 450m for the PSG-1.
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A "sniper" weapon is bolt action....why do you think besides the Barret series, all other match grade sniper rifles are bolt action? The .50 isnt a tango killer, its a tank killer! :lol: A sniper should switch to a sidearm, or a backup(small aeg gbb Smg etc). As a sniper, you shouldn't be seen in the first place, and if you are, you should be able to fend off anyone before they get clsoe.
A "sniper" weapon is not "always" bolt-action. You just need to use the right weapon for the right job. A semi-auto can work just fine for a law enforement role, but be bad for out in the brush. And aside from the Barret, there is also the SVD, and that's sniper grade rifle that has been used effectively for decades. :)
Also, the .50 cal isn't much of a tank killer now a days, unless its a really old tank. It is still good for light armored vehicles and in an anti-material role. :)
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A "sniper" weapon is bolt action....why do you think besides the Barret series, all other match grade sniper rifles are bolt action? The .50 isnt a tango killer, its a tank killer! :lol: A sniper should switch to a sidearm, or a backup(small aeg gbb Smg etc). As a sniper, you shouldn't be seen in the first place, and if you are, you should be able to fend off anyone before they get clsoe.
A "sniper" weapon is not "always" bolt-action. You just need to use the right weapon for the right job. A semi-auto can work just fine for a law enforement role, but be bad for out in the brush. And aside from the Barret, there is also the SVD, and that's sniper grade rifle that has been used effectively for decades. :)
Also, the .50 cal isn't much of a tank killer now a days, unless its a really old tank. It is still good for light armored vehicles and in an anti-material role. :)
And what about the single shot breech action You can get some nice accurate guns of that type.
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And what about the single shot breech action You can get some nice accurate guns of that type.
Agreed. You don't see them much these days though. Typically its bolt or semi, since you get more of an ammunition load before needing to reload. After all, you never know when you may need to make a quick follow up shot.
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The only breech loader I can think of in airsoft is the Digicon Contender. And, uh, yeah.
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Question is, can you get the same performance, stock, out of the box, no mods and under $110 from another short barrel gas gun.
The answer is no!
I also own one.
Use .28 and have outranged a few M24s and other upgraded "sniper" rifles
I'm not saying its a "sniper" rifle or even the best, but I only spent $110
And there are upgrades (some hard to find)
-barrel extension (adds over 100 fps)only $35
-hop-up
-valves
-Wood/plastic stocks-rails-suppresser adaptors
-lots of stuff.
With the right upgrades (and still under $200) I think it can out perform most "sniper" rifles.
Oh, yah that damm KJW M700 only $210
Thats another topic itself.
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I'd like a suppresor for mine. -Where do you find the add-on stuff?
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I'd like a suppresor for mine. -Where do you find the add-on stuff?
In the small drawers at Ace Hardware. Outstanding performance notwithstanding, it's not a very popular item and stores inventory of aftermarket accessories reflect this.
Jay DeWeese had one and I borrowed it for a few scenarios one day. I must say that it far exceeded my expectations of such a small weapon. It was reliable, and very gas-efficient. Accuracy and range were as mentioned above.
That said, it's an ugly piece of sh*t and I will never buy one.
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(This is FarFromEinstein on another nickname)
Andy... Its not that bad of a rifle, I just shot one out back of JT and its pretty good, it DOES have an adjustable hopup, so it can use heavy BB's.
Wow you guys are ghetto....Well Chainsaw, talk to me at the game on sunday and I will show you a REAL covert sniper rifle...one that will punch thru a coke can at 100yds...and really hit it too....:)
You shouldnt brag about your rifle being able to go through a can at 100 yards.. because you cant hit a can at 100 yards, and if it is able to do that.. im sure its way over 500 fps, and if you use heavy BB's.. then the range wont be that great, thats why I use the .29 BB's.
And it being ugly is an opinion, I think wooden stocks look ugly (other than the m14, m1 carbine, and a couple other guns).
Who cares if it "fits" into the sniper role? It performs as well as any sniper rifle on the field for about 1/3(or less) the cost of a decent rifle.
Well..Someone bring a MK1 to the game on the 3rd....and well see how it fairs up with my gun, if I get this tightbore installed in time...
if you want to put it to the test with your rifle... lets put your rifle to the test next to my rifle :-D
A "sniper" weapon is bolt action...
Wrong..
Sniper:
a. A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place.
b. One who shoots at other people from a concealed place.
You can do that with a handgun... Other sniper rifles that are NOT BAR's would be the PSG1, m14, spr, sr25, etc.
Its not that bad of a gun for the money. Id get one but I have other things to buy, fix, upgrade, or finish.
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You guys need to settle this on the field.
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(This is FarFromEinstein on another nickname)
Andy... Its not that bad of a rifle, I just shot one out back of JT and its pretty good, it DOES have an adjustable hopup, so it can use heavy BB's.
Wow you guys are ghetto....Well Chainsaw, talk to me at the game on sunday and I will show you a REAL covert sniper rifle...one that will punch thru a coke can at 100yds...and really hit it too....:)
You shouldnt brag about your rifle being able to go through a can at 100 yards.. because you cant hit a can at 100 yards, and if it is able to do that.. im sure its way over 500 fps, and if you use heavy BB's.. then the range wont be that great, thats why I use the .29 BB's.
And it being ugly is an opinion, I think wooden stocks look ugly (other than the m14, m1 carbine, and a couple other guns).
Who cares if it "fits" into the sniper role? It performs as well as any sniper rifle on the field for about 1/3(or less) the cost of a decent rifle.
Well..Someone bring a MK1 to the game on the 3rd....and well see how it fairs up with my gun, if I get this tightbore installed in time...
if you want to put it to the test with your rifle... lets put your rifle to the test next to my rifle :-D
A "sniper" weapon is bolt action...
Wrong..
Sniper:
a. A skilled military shooter detailed to spot and pick off enemy soldiers from a concealed place.
b. One who shoots at other people from a concealed place.
You can do that with a handgun... Other sniper rifles that are NOT BAR's would be the PSG1, m14, spr, sr25, etc.
Its not that bad of a gun for the money. Id get one but I have other things to buy, fix, upgrade, or finish.
All of that is taken out of context..... And It shouldnt be over 500fps... Some guns are just good..Don't be pissed cause yours isnt as someone elses.. Like normal, whenever you dont have something that someone has thats good, you knock it. Typical response.
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You guys and the sniper. Its ever Newbies dream to snipe.....Sniper have a very important role on the field. Its Not all about trigger time. I dont care What Your useing as an AEG, Springer or Gas its about skills
Mark Anderson use to use a None upgraded bolt action rifle(sorry mark dont remember what you used)Point is the man makes the weapon not the other way around!
Another Thing snipers need trigger discipline. You have to use alot of judgment when to take a shot and when Not.
I remember One of my frist games where a player from Tucson(No names) Was using a MK1 with a barrel (rifle setup)in CQB. 25 feet away BB breaking apart after hitting the wall behind Me..NOT COOL
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Just because yo have sniper rifle that cost $650 doesn't mean you can hit everything you shoot at.
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I remember One of my frist games where a player from Tucson(No names) Was using a MK1 with a barrel (rifle setup)in CQB. 25 feet away BB breaking apart after hitting the wall behind Me..NOT COOL
Yeah I remember that game. It was the one where Woody cracked his head on the roof of the Catacombs. That is a prime example of an UN-SAFE player.
BTW he hasn't used one since that game.
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Just got the KWJ M700, oh baby! Very nice, just as everyone promised...Always looking to hear about people and their guns..now I have one that ranks with everyone elses!
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I got mine today too It's very nice although I cant get my scope to mount properly.
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...bring it by, we'll take a look at it. (so that's why you keep contacting me!)
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That Is why :twisted: Tell me when your at jungle toy I'll grab a ride.
Thanks again rook.