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Airsoft Hardware => AEG's => Topic started by: seph6885 on July 01, 2005, 05:01:35 PM

Title: mp5a4 or g36c...classic army or tokyo marui...
Post by: seph6885 on July 01, 2005, 05:01:35 PM
so, i've been thinking about getting another aeg, namely an mp5a4 or a g36c. the 'dilemma' is whether to go CA or TM, since both companies make both of those guns. what do you guys think is a better buy? comparisons? pros and cons? oh and you can spout off about which gun is better if you want. anything would be helpful. thanks.
Title: Re: mp5a4 or g36c...classic army or tokyo marui...
Post by: busta_cap on July 01, 2005, 05:03:19 PM
Quote from: "seph6885"
so, i've been thinking about getting another aeg, namely an mp5a4 or a g36c. the 'dilemma' is whether to go CA or TM, since both companies make both of those guns. what do you guys think is a better buy? comparisons? pros and cons? oh and you can spout off about which gun is better if you want. anything would be helpful. thanks.
CA has a new version of their G36K coming out pretty soon. It will be upgraded and reinforced just like the CQBR.
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Post by: Lasivian on July 01, 2005, 05:23:07 PM
Thought you didn't like CA Busta.
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Post by: busta_cap on July 01, 2005, 05:27:15 PM
Quote from: "Lasivian"
Thought you didn't like CA Busta.
I dont like their M15 series due to shitty quality control, but Ive put some rounds through their old G36 and It's pretty nice...even though its plastic.
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Post by: m-79_Grenadier on July 01, 2005, 06:13:12 PM
If you are going for a gun that will be mainly for metal and looks than go with the classic army.
But if you want utter relaibility and a gun that will always work no mater how you abuse it than go with marui.

Classic army is still a relitavley young company in the airsoft industry. They do make good guns, but they arent the most reliable at times. They are reliable for a while, but you can say that after a few years of service at least one major problem is always encountered. (Ive fixed alot more ICS/CA boxes than I have marui boxes.  The only drawback that marui has is that they dont have as much metal on the bodies. But they probably make up for it in terms of reliability. Tokyo Marui has been around for nearly 20 years, and by now they know what they are doing. They have spent the time to engineer their guns to stand up to years worth of wear and tear. I guess you can call them the "workhorse" aegs, because even if thay arent as pretty, they still keep working through thick and thin.
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Post by: -MAD- SARGE on July 01, 2005, 06:18:43 PM
Thats all talking about stock TMs.  Once you crack them up to upgrade them all bets are off, just like any AEG.  There are many disadvantages and advantages with each maker. They have been discussed here and abroad before.  Enjoy using the search feature and if you still have some specific questions, please ask them here.
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Post by: seph6885 on July 01, 2005, 06:19:01 PM
Quote from: "m-79_Grenadier"
If you are going for a gun that will be mainly for metal and looks than go with the classic army.
But if you want utter relaibility and a gun that will always work no mater how you abuse it than go with marui.

Classic army is still a relitavley young company in the airsoft industry. They do make good guns, but they arent the most reliable at times. They are reliable for a while, but you can say that after a few years of service at least one major problem is always encountered. (Ive fixed alot more ICS/CA boxes than I have marui boxes.  The only drawback that marui has is that they dont have as much metal on the bodies. But they probably make up for it in terms of reliability. Tokyo Marui has been around for nearly 20 years, and by now they know what they are doing. They have spent the time to engineer their guns to stand up to years worth of wear and tear. I guess you can call them the "workhorse" aegs, because even if thay arent as pretty, they still keep working through thick and thin.


very informative. thanks!
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Post by: Firehead on July 01, 2005, 06:23:04 PM
Just to let you know...the Classic Army G36 is NOT metal. Its plastic. Its a pretty nice peice for being only 20 bucks(more or less) than the Marui.
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Post by: Mugen on July 01, 2005, 09:38:07 PM
I have a CA g36c and I have to say that I am really impressed with its quality and functionality.  Just pop in a 120 spring, upgraded battery and you are good to go.  1 high cap carries 470 rounds, the life of the high torque motor is good, and there is soon to be alot more upgrades for it.  Including the G36k, with the scope and integrated carry handle.  The bigger handgaurd will allow for a large type batt, with a longer barrell for accuracy.   The m4s are all pretty good..dont count out the SRC m4....
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Post by: seph6885 on July 01, 2005, 10:22:04 PM
Quote from: "Mugen"
I have a CA g36c and I have to say that I am really impressed with its quality and functionality.  Just pop in a 120 spring, upgraded battery and you are good to go.  1 high cap carries 470 rounds, the life of the high torque motor is good, and there is soon to be alot more upgrades for it.  Including the G36k, with the scope and integrated carry handle.  The bigger handgaurd will allow for a large type batt, with a longer barrell for accuracy.   The m4s are all pretty good..dont count out the SRC m4....


oh yea, i remember liking it a lot when i held it. i think the main thing thats giving the mp5 an upperhand in my mind is the large battery versus the mini battery.
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Post by: 1trooper, manyweapons on July 01, 2005, 11:49:51 PM
Head out to the game. Ill let you fire my CA g36c, with silencer, which is still stock. Dont worry about the battery, unless you have seen my battery thats velcoed to the side of the gun, large 8.4/9.6 batterys work. Tends to become front heavy.
Head to the local hobby store. Hobby Barn on 21st street&Kolb, thats a good place for getting the connectors for small to large&large to small or anything else that you can think of.

and +1 for M-79Grenadier. He summed it up quite well.
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Post by: Doc Hollywood on July 02, 2005, 09:50:30 PM
Anyone have one of these? I just bought one and it will be here Wednesday.. my first piece of AEG.... was deciding between Classic Army and this one and the AE sounded better. Looked at a TM version and I know I would snap it in half the first day out... DH
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Post by: azsarge on July 03, 2005, 12:08:18 AM
A)  Go with the TM G36.

B)  THIS is wierd:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/shaunwithans/aurora_mine.jpg)
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Post by: seph6885 on July 03, 2005, 02:20:33 AM
Quote from: "azsarge"
A)  Go with the TM G36.

B)  THIS is wierd:
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v145/shaunwithans/aurora_mine.jpg)


haha, dont worry about princess aurora, its an inside thing.
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Post by: Mugen on July 03, 2005, 12:57:37 PM
I just have to say that after the Missle Tank game today..I am extremely impressed with the CA G36c.  High rate of fire when needed, accurate shots, high cap, decent batt life, and the 350.00 pkg at Jungle Toy is like...whaoa!  Me likee my 36.
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Post by: chivaman on July 05, 2005, 10:09:31 PM
If you want to upgrade your next aeg at any point you should stick to tokyo marui but if you are going to leave it stock go classic army. Member you get what you pay for why do you think that you get more gun for 60 buck more w/ classic army. TM are the best aeg's to work with.
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Post by: busta_cap on July 05, 2005, 10:11:15 PM
Quote from: "chivaman"
If you want to upgrade your next aeg at any point you should stick to tokyo marui but if you are going to leave it stock go classic army. Member you get what you pay for why do you think that you get more gun for 60 buck more w/ classic army. TM are the best aeg's to work with.
I take it you haven't ever upgraded anything but a TM...TM's will eventually break once you upgrade them, the new CA's are "supposed" to be pre reinforced so all you need is a spring..and maybe some gears
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Post by: Doc Hollywood on July 05, 2005, 11:20:00 PM
My brand new version 3.5 Airsoft Elite/ICS seems pretty awesome - feels better than the TM and it can take any of the TM upgrades. The box is upgraded but its still "stock" at 360 FPS. I used the real thing in the Army and this feels just like it. The TM felt like a toy.....
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Post by: Gantaliano Hoff on July 06, 2005, 10:43:58 AM
Quote from: "Doc Hollywood"
My brand new version 3.5 Airsoft Elite/ICS seems pretty awesome - feels better than the TM and it can take any of the TM upgrades. The box is upgraded but its still "stock" at 360 FPS. I used the real thing in the Army and this feels just like it. The TM felt like a toy.....
stock at 360fps? How much did you pay for this thing?
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Post by: Reaver on July 06, 2005, 11:11:01 AM
I hear the G36 is a bit easier on the breakdown than the MP5 series.  So, on that reason alone I'd say go with the G36.
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Post by: Firehead on July 06, 2005, 11:21:12 AM
Quote from: "Reaver"
I hear the G36 is a bit easier on the breakdown than the MP5 series.  So, on that reason alone I'd say go with the G36.


I dont see how....From the looks of it, they pretty much break down the same. I might be wrong, but HK likes to have alot of their stuff work similarly.
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Post by: Reaver on July 06, 2005, 11:31:28 AM
Quote from: "Firehead"
Quote from: "Reaver"
I hear the G36 is a bit easier on the breakdown than the MP5 series.  So, on that reason alone I'd say go with the G36.

I dont see how....From the looks of it, they pretty much break down the same. I might be wrong, but HK likes to have alot of their stuff work similarly.


  Yes, but HK don't have Hop-ups in thier guns.  ;)

  So far I've taken apart two different MP5's and I'm not thrilled with either of them.
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Post by: Gantaliano Hoff on July 06, 2005, 11:36:19 AM
M-16 series is the easiest to break down. If you want to talk about simplicity, go for that instead.
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Post by: Reaver on July 06, 2005, 11:38:49 AM
Quote from: "Gantaliano Hoff"
M-16 series is the easiest to break down. If you want to talk about simplicity, go for that instead.


  So are G3's.  :)
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Post by: Doc Hollywood on July 06, 2005, 12:02:27 PM
Quote from: "Gantaliano Hoff"
Quote from: "Doc Hollywood"
My brand new version 3.5 Airsoft Elite/ICS seems pretty awesome - feels better than the TM and it can take any of the TM upgrades. The box is upgraded but its still "stock" at 360 FPS. I used the real thing in the Army and this feels just like it. The TM felt like a toy.....
stock at 360fps? How much did you pay for this thing?


It was $318 including a battery, extra mag and shipping.... from Airsplat.com.
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Post by: Doc Hollywood on July 06, 2005, 12:08:52 PM
The thing about a weapon choice that I dont see alot of here is what the weapon was designed to do. In the real world that means more than here in airsoft because the ammo is all the same (more or less ;) ) and the shooting does not vary too much from weapon to weapon. In the world, you select your weapon based on its use. MP5 is a Ranger's choice for recon, CQB, and anything where you dont plan on getting into a prolonged firefight. Its quiet, small, and sweet on the trigger! (The real ammo is a factor here too) For prolonged patrols, large scale ops, and heavy fighting, the M4 would be the choice, partly on its better ability to law down supressive fire, and the 5.56 ammo is more of a battlefield ammo, and it works in the saw so the whole team carries the same rounds.

If I was deploying in the world, I would have an MP5, M4 carbine with a 203, Winchester Defender 12g shotgun (fits nicely in the side of your ranger pack), a Glock (.41) and probably a Mk23 with silencer..... that covers almost any battle condition I might expect. Of course someone has to man the SAW and the 60.....   IMHO
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Post by: andyhinds on July 06, 2005, 12:11:06 PM
I've got a CA MP5A2, crono's at 320FPS out of the box, fires great, good distance no complaints.
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Post by: 1trooper, manyweapons on July 06, 2005, 12:36:37 PM
well Who all saw my getto CA G36c side battery rig. its not the most fancyist thing out there. but Ive heard that the takedown is simple.



for the deploying part, all the airsoft weapons I currently own, real M60, M733, g36Ke/m203s unknown for a sidearm.
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Post by: Reaver on July 06, 2005, 01:08:53 PM
Quote from: "Doc Hollywood"
The thing about a weapon choice that I dont see alot of here is what the weapon was designed to do. In the real world that means more than here in airsoft because the ammo is all the same (more or less ;) ) and the shooting does not vary too much from weapon to weapon. In the world, you select your weapon based on its use. MP5 is a Ranger's choice for recon, CQB, and anything where you dont plan on getting into a prolonged firefight. Its quiet, small, and sweet on the trigger! (The real ammo is a factor here too) For prolonged patrols, large scale ops, and heavy fighting, the M4 would be the choice, partly on its better ability to law down supressive fire, and the 5.56 ammo is more of a battlefield ammo, and it works in the saw so the whole team carries the same rounds.

If I was deploying in the world, I would have an MP5, M4 carbine with a 203, Winchester Defender 12g shotgun (fits nicely in the side of your ranger pack), a Glock (.41) and probably a Mk23 with silencer..... that covers almost any battle condition I might expect. Of course someone has to man the SAW and the 60.....   IMHO


  If I was deploying real world I'd have the following;

- FN FAL or HK G3 (7.62x51mm beats 5.56mm ANY DAY)
- FN P90 (small and easy to conceal, great range and pen power)
- Steyr GB 80 handgun (just because I love mine) ;)
- A Thunder 5 .410 shotgun pistol (firing steel shot)
  And finally, grenades... lots and lots of grenades.  ;)
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Post by: Doc Hollywood on July 06, 2005, 02:32:07 PM
I agree that the 7.62 is a better killer - more range, more punch, etc. I think the 60 is the ONLY real supressive fire weapon out there (the SAW wont fire a full box without a misfire and its worse than a woman when it comes to temper) except maybe a M2, but who runs those any more!

However, I would still take the 5.56 because I can carry MORE rounds which means I can be out longer and run lighter. And I am partial to the M4 because it was part of my load out and I like how it feels....
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Post by: mohawkdude on July 06, 2005, 03:37:11 PM
I'd go with the CA G36 my friend just got it and it feels more sound then the TM g36, and it has a very good rate of fire. The battery size sucks, but nothing you can't fix just ask 1trooper. I would take it over the mp5 any day. Just because everyone have an mp5 and you dont see that many g36's
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Post by: Doc Hollywood on July 06, 2005, 03:39:08 PM
I'm gonna have BOTH !
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Post by: mohawkdude on July 06, 2005, 03:40:21 PM
Thats a way to end your problem lol
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Post by: 1trooper, manyweapons on July 06, 2005, 04:02:09 PM
+1,  Now mohawk has a SWEET AUG,  hopefuly an other m60 comes into the mix.

whos dissin the m60, my airsoft m60 sucks.:( now broken.
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Post by: Firehead on July 06, 2005, 04:05:27 PM
Quote from: "Reaver"
Quote from: "Doc Hollywood"
The thing about a weapon choice that I dont see alot of here is what the weapon was designed to do. In the real world that means more than here in airsoft because the ammo is all the same (more or less ;) ) and the shooting does not vary too much from weapon to weapon. In the world, you select your weapon based on its use. MP5 is a Ranger's choice for recon, CQB, and anything where you dont plan on getting into a prolonged firefight. Its quiet, small, and sweet on the trigger! (The real ammo is a factor here too) For prolonged patrols, large scale ops, and heavy fighting, the M4 would be the choice, partly on its better ability to law down supressive fire, and the 5.56 ammo is more of a battlefield ammo, and it works in the saw so the whole team carries the same rounds.

If I was deploying in the world, I would have an MP5, M4 carbine with a 203, Winchester Defender 12g shotgun (fits nicely in the side of your ranger pack), a Glock (.41) and probably a Mk23 with silencer..... that covers almost any battle condition I might expect. Of course someone has to man the SAW and the 60.....   IMHO

  If I was deploying real world I'd have the following;

- FN FAL or HK G3 (7.62x51mm beats 5.56mm ANY DAY)
- FN P90 (small and easy to conceal, great range and pen power)
- Steyr GB 80 handgun (just because I love mine) ;)
- A Thunder 5 .410 shotgun pistol (firing steel shot)
  And finally, grenades... lots and lots of grenades.  ;)


No you wouldn't. Uncle Sam wouldn't approve of anything but your issue weapons(except for pistols).
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Post by: mohawkdude on July 06, 2005, 04:19:21 PM
trooper you also forgot my pistol lol. I think my slide going to break soon its kicking so hard.
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Post by: 1trooper, manyweapons on July 06, 2005, 04:24:19 PM
Ya, your pistol is powerful. Dude mohawk an M60 is made for you man.


If ya need to stick a 8.4/9.6/10.8 batt on the outside of your gun. talk to me.
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Post by: mohawkdude on July 06, 2005, 04:27:38 PM
I was think saving up for one, but i want mine shooting around 350fps. hehehehehe.
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Post by: 1trooper, manyweapons on July 06, 2005, 04:30:53 PM
Working on that. 380fps for my m60:P beat that lol.Iam currently repairing m60, POS. piston, spring, and feeding tube. geez

no wait MINIgun!
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Post by: Firehead on July 06, 2005, 04:54:52 PM
Quote from: "Doc Hollywood"
I agree that the 7.62 is a better killer - more range, more punch, etc. I think the 60 is the ONLY real supressive fire weapon out there (the SAW wont fire a full box without a misfire and its worse than a woman when it comes to temper) except maybe a M2, but who runs those any more!

However, I would still take the 5.56 because I can carry MORE rounds which means I can be out longer and run lighter. And I am partial to the M4 because it was part of my load out and I like how it feels....


Well, I never sacrafice power for more ammo. So you can carry twice as much ammo with 5.56, but it takes more rounds to put a man down. I personally would rather carry 7.62 x 39 than 5.56 x 45.
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Post by: Doc Hollywood on July 06, 2005, 05:20:20 PM
where were you in combat?
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Post by: Reaver on July 06, 2005, 05:20:58 PM
Quote from: "Firehead"

Well, I never sacrafice power for more ammo. So you can carry twice as much ammo with 5.56, but it takes more rounds to put a man down. I personally would rather carry 7.62 x 39 than 5.56 x 45.


  Exactly, and well said.  :)
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Post by: Doc Hollywood on July 06, 2005, 05:25:04 PM
one shot, one kill, is the general philosophy that the US armed forces teaches in basic rifle marksmanship - BTY
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Post by: Firehead on July 06, 2005, 05:27:57 PM
Quote from: "Doc Hollywood"
where were you in combat?


I do combat "hood" style. I have been in the middle of urban firefights.I have never actually shot at anyone(came real close), though. I have seen what 7.62 x 39 does to a person, and it is alot worse than 5.56. 5.56 also has weak penetration capability, I can hit you behind cover, depending on what you hide behind, where you cannot go thru a wood block(seen from ballistic tests, comparing 7.62 x 39 and 5.56 x 45). Too many soldiers complain on 5.56 not taking down a target quickly enough, which is also the arguement between .45 ACP/GAP and 9 x 19mm.
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Post by: Doc Hollywood on July 06, 2005, 05:33:23 PM
I'm not arguing the strengts of the 7.62 round. Believe me I know first hand what it does to a human body. There is more to a combat loadout than firepower. They are all good weapons (in the real world) and each has pros and cons that have to be balanced for the specific mission. A CO considers these factors when he writes an OpOrder and decides the weapons based on what is going to be done (or not done). Anyway, its not a perfect world so lets just go play!
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Post by: Doc Hollywood on July 06, 2005, 05:35:11 PM
what started out being about two different Airsoft Guns turned into something else and I'm off my soap box.. lol  its sad that we cant go somewhere here in town and really compare all these different options for AEG's... like shooting, etc...
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Post by: Firehead on July 06, 2005, 05:37:14 PM
Quote from: "Doc Hollywood"
what started out being about two different Airsoft Guns turned into something else and I'm off my soap box.. lol  its sad that we cant go somewhere here in town and really compare all these different options for AEG's... like shooting, etc...


We can, its called a game :).
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Post by: Doc Hollywood on July 06, 2005, 05:39:20 PM
before you spend $400 on something! LOL
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Post by: Mugen on July 06, 2005, 09:08:20 PM
Just do your research, and ask fellow airsofters what they think.  Thats what I did, and I am happy with the result.
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Post by: busta_cap on July 06, 2005, 10:10:38 PM
As far as real guns go, thats why they came up with the 6.8...expensive uppers and expensive ammo..but perfect...And when it comes to handguns...theres a reason why I like a .40 over the .45 and 9mm.. As far as a happy medium, but when you are putting 2 into a heart and one into someones head it won't matter if its a .22 or a ma duece..
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Post by: seph6885 on July 06, 2005, 10:13:51 PM
Quote from: "Gantaliano Hoff"
M-16 series is the easiest to break down. If you want to talk about simplicity, go for that instead.


way too many people have some version of the m4 or the m16. frankly, im tired of 'US-made' guns. no offense to anyone who has one. im just saying.
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Post by: Doc Hollywood on July 06, 2005, 10:14:48 PM
nice story kid, and no offense, but until you put two into someones heart you should not talk about it like you know what its like...
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Post by: seph6885 on July 06, 2005, 10:16:19 PM
thanks for everyones input. but the funny thing is, i think im just going to go with the good old ak beta spetsnaz after all this mp5 and g36 talk. i already have an ak47, and an ak with a different feel wouldnt be so bad.
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Post by: busta_cap on July 06, 2005, 10:17:53 PM
Quote from: "Doc Hollywood"
nice story kid, and no offense, but until you put two into someones heart you should not talk about it like you know what its like...
There wasn't any reason for you to insult me, when I haven't even said anything to you.. No I don't know what it's like to take someone down but that doens't give you the right to act like you know me, and calling me a kid, shows a lack of any respect on your part. :roll:
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Post by: seph6885 on July 06, 2005, 10:18:31 PM
Quote from: "Doc Hollywood"
nice story kid, and no offense, but until you put two into someones heart you should not talk about it like you know what its like...


well said. and my home is in arrowhead ranch. interesting to find a neighbor.
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Post by: Doc Hollywood on July 06, 2005, 10:21:21 PM
I am in the Fairways at Arrowhead Country Club right next to the, well, Country Club.. nice condos.. my first house.
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Post by: seph6885 on July 07, 2005, 12:11:57 AM
Quote from: "Doc Hollywood"
I am in the Fairways at Arrowhead Country Club right next to the, well, Country Club.. nice condos.. my first house.


yea i know that area. im actually in tucson for now, but my house is at 75th ave and utopia.
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Post by: Doc Hollywood on July 07, 2005, 09:18:01 AM
nice area... I walk through the golf course in that area at night after dark.. trying to stay in shape!