Airsoft Arizona
Airsoft Hardware => Accessories & Gear => Topic started by: mohawkdude on July 05, 2005, 10:27:52 PM
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It is wierd that I like a pistol belt/Y harnees (LBV) setup with canteen better than my vest and cammel pack. I feel more free in it. Tell mer what you guys think.
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No, it's not. I know several people who'd rather have that setup than have a modular setup. I prefer an H harness over a Y-harness tho.
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I ment H sorry I had to look at it
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I got a Y harness on a pistol belt with LC2 pouches...I'm thinking of getting an H, they look more comfy but my set up is already good to go...Works great especially with a USGI LBV.
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Have you ever tried to actually function in a game while reloading from the LC2 pouches? I actually havent done it with airsoft, but with a REAL M16A2...and it SUCKS. The pouches are slow, hard to access, and bulky. Not to mention the set up gets in the way whenever you have to ride in a vehicle. Its old and outdated for a reason. Maybe you just need a nicer vest.
Rick
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Here is my no-BS assessment, love for modularity aside.
Pros: It is a good setup. ALICE clips suck, but can be replaced by lenghts of 550 cord and 100mph tape to make things a bit quieter. It is very open, and allows the carry of many M16 mags and several frags. It can be worn at any height, even high as a chest rig.
Cons: The rear portion is useless. Wearing a canteen or buttpack completely eliminates the possibility of using it in a vehicle. The rear suspender clamps dig in and get VERY uncomfy. The belts are a pain in the ass. Either the metal clasp version, that comes undone on its own, or the side-release bucle that gets hard to perate when caked with sand and dirt/mud. The adjustment on the belt is ridiculous , overcomplicated, and ineffective. The grommets are useless, except for attaching oldass bayonet scabbards and WWII era pouches. I'm not into that noise!
Now, if you insisted upon making me wear an LC2 setup, it would go something like this:
-No metal hardware! Replace it all with 550 or tape.
-Ride it high! Make the belt rather loose, place the buckle (side release only!) at the 8 o'clock position for side-entry and so I can put pouches up front.
-4 ammo pouches across the front, with the inner 2 having the frag pouches cut off (if not possible to modify, simply place the pouches as close togther as possible so the frag pouches arent visible).
-Use an H-Harness. Not the cotton duck version, but the newer nylon one. Cotton rots and rips, period. I like the way the H bears the load on 4 points rather than 3 like the Y.
I would use this setup with a camelbak such as a stealth or even an issue Thermobak 3L.
That setup, not including an misc pouches, would allow me to carry:
-12 magazines
-4 frags
-3L water
It's low-pro enough to allow the use of a pack, and the C-bak can be taken off for longer vehicle trips. I leave my water in the truck anyway on convoy ops.
For airsoft, you can drop a loader, bag od BBs, and a few snacks in the C Bak and you're GTG. Then again, you're probably NOT riding in a vehicle so go ahead and wear a pack if you need to. A high-mounted buttpack works well in this case.
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I have a ok vest is comfy and all but for some reason I like the lc2 setup better.
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If you insist on using something CLOSE to LC2, try moixing modular gear with the harness. It works pretty well. You can get plenty of stuff on there, and it looks kinda cool(I personally hate the LC2 gear, but stick some modular stuff on it, and it ain't so bad).
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Along the same lines as what Ian said, try using a modified 1st Line kit.
Now, for everyone other than the 5 of you who already know what a 1st line kit is, let me explain. It's the items and pieces of kit that you absolutely need in battle. basic survival items, water, pistol and ammo, and knife. Usually worn on a riggers or duty belt, often with suspenders.
This past game, I wore my Wilderness Instructors belt (a decent 1st line base), with Paraclete quad 9mm pouch, DBT dumper (SSE bag), and 6004 holster. I could have easily added a dual M4 mag pouch and ran all day with just that, and a camelbak. If you use std mags and get into the sh*t alot, consider the same setup, but with suspenders and a couple more mag pouches. VERY breathable and lightweight!
At the pistol game, I will be using the same setup. I might add a small GP pouch to the rear to hold some BBs (and a few extra shells if I buy a shotgun).
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Along the same lines as what Ian said, try using a modified 1st Line kit.
Now, for everyone other than the 5 of you who already know what a 1st line kit is, let me explain. It's the items and pieces of kit that you absolutely need in battle. basic survival items, water, pistol and ammo, and knife. Usually worn on a riggers or duty belt, often with suspenders.
This past game, I wore my Wilderness Instructors belt (a decent 1st line base), with Paraclete quad 9mm pouch, DBT dumper (SSE bag), and 6004 holster. I could have easily added a dual M4 mag pouch and ran all day with just that, and a camelbak. If you use std mags and get into the sh*t alot, consider the same setup, but with suspenders and a couple more mag pouches. VERY breathable and lightweight!
At the pistol game, I will be using the same setup. I might add a small GP pouch to the rear to hold some BBs (and a few extra shells if I buy a shotgun).
Exactly, alot of you may have seen me run just a belt setup when I didnt have an AEG for a while..I ran a CQB duty belt,holster,trip pistol mag pouch, a double for speed loaders, a dump pouch ont he rear and at one point even a radio pouch.. I even loaded it down with m4 pouches at one point, but after a while the weight on your belt alone gets cumbersome.
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Yea i was just testing out both my fully loaded vest and my fully loaded LBE and I like the vest better, it is a little more comfy and holds a camel pack.
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its not wierd, its a good system. its cheaper, you can find replacement pieces anywhere, its been used for forty years. and it was good enough to be picked for our military.
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its not wierd, its a good system. its cheaper, you can find replacement pieces anywhere, its been used for forty years. and it was good enough to be picked for our military.
I was waiting for you to chime in with your praise of the antiquated system.
I really like those last words, too! You obviously have yet to encounter the military's standard when it comes to equipment and gear! :lol:
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its not wierd, its a good system. its cheaper, you can find replacement pieces anywhere, its been used for forty years. and it was good enough to be picked for our military.
I was waiting for you to chime in with your praise of the antiquated system.
I really like those last words, too! You obviously have yet to encounter the military's standard when it comes to equipment and gear! :lol:
Besides...if the military even knew WTF they were doing back in the day...they would have never adopted woodland..Or the gear they did...they were simply noobs trying to figure out what works best...it's like comparing a belt 1940's era leather holster to a Safariland...in the long run, short, and speed...the SL will win..to each his own I guess. I would just rather spend more money now and have my gear last forever and have some real resale value than buy some old ass sh*t for 10 bucks and waste it..
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i still wonder sarge, if your so fond of advanced mil spec gear why do you wear that old piece of crap chest rig? in you haste to slam on lc equipment, did you not realize the design flaws of that chinese ak rig you wear. for christ sake it has WOOD TOGGLES instead of snaps or velcro (try that for quick mag access). not to mention your wearing explosive projectiles over your vital organs. get hit with an incendiary or a piece of hot schrapnel and youll light up like a roman candle. and busta not once have i ever seen you use gear. it must be because the m4 its for is always broken. now u can just run around in that delapitated jumpsuit and your expensive rifle. and when it gets hot a pistol belt and t shirt. high praise for milsim when neither of you exactly practice what you preach.
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i still wonder sarge, if your so fond of advanced mil spec gear why do you wear that old piece of crap chest rig? in you haste to slam on lc equipment, did you not realize the design flaws of that chinese ak rig you wear. for christ sake it has WOOD TOGGLES instead of snaps or velcro (try that for quick mag access). not to mention your wearing explosive projectiles over your vital organs. get hit with an incendiary or a piece of hot schrapnel and youll light up like a roman candle. and busta not once have i ever seen you use gear. it must be because the m4 its for is always broken. now u can just run around in that delapitated jumpsuit and your expensive rifle. and when it gets hot a pistol belt and t shirt. high praise for milsim when neither of you exactly practice what you preach.
YOu need to calm down... And you never see me use my gear because you never go to games up here...otherwise I do, and now its sold anyways.. By the way if you want to knock that ghillie, talk to Farslayer, it's his.
Your quick to be bitter to people who weren't to you.. :roll:
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SM, I use the chest rig because I sold my other kit and didn't want to get someone elses gear all dirty.
I like the ChiCom rig better than LC2 gear. It cost 12 dollars, holds 6 mags, 4 frags, and is very comfy. As for the ammo on the vital organs? I like chest mounted mags.
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Show me a guy (a real one, not an airsofter) who uses LC2 gear in Iraq or A-Stan and I'll show you one that uses a ChiCom still:
(http://img268.imageshack.us/img268/2752/afghan39xt.jpg)
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its not wierd, its a good system. its cheaper, you can find replacement pieces anywhere, its been used for forty years. and it was good enough to be picked for our military.
If it's all you can afford it's okay.
MOLLE gear can is rather abundant now too...
i still wonder sarge, if your so fond of advanced mil spec gear why do you wear that old piece of crap chest rig? in you haste to slam on lc equipment, did you not realize the design flaws of that chinese ak rig you wear. for christ sake it has WOOD TOGGLES instead of snaps or velcro (try that for quick mag access). not to mention your wearing explosive projectiles over your vital organs. get hit with an incendiary or a piece of hot schrapnel and youll light up like a roman candle. and busta not once have i ever seen you use gear. it must be because the m4 its for is always broken. now u can just run around in that delapitated jumpsuit and your expensive rifle. and when it gets hot a pistol belt and t shirt. high praise for milsim when neither of you exactly practice what you preach.
Why don't you just edit your post and put "I take it up the ass." That would sum up what you just said in one quality sentence.
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Im not one to start arguments, and this thread is kind of negative towards my personal style.
But I dont care. I dont hammer on other people that wear tactical equiptment, and I try to ignore it when someone dosent appreciate what our country fought with in the past. I try to make friends with them, and inform them what our fathers and grandfathers used through thick and thin, and what aspects of it may be more benifical than the new style. I have all the respect for others decisions of what they coose to wear in the field. If it makes it easier for them, then fine, by all means use it forever. But until you have actually put on and so to speak "walked in the shoes of our military past", then pleast try not to be so judgemental of other's decisions on gear.
AZsarge, I like your suggestions on the LBEs, you are trying to keep an open mind on this one. You really know how to work the modern ones, but I dont think you can help me with my setup. :)
Busta, you are right, everyone to his own oppinion. But just because sonthing is modern, dosent mean it will always out perform an older design. All of my usual gear is PRE Alice. Its a compilation of WWI an WWII harnesses and gear. In my situation this is by no means cheap. This is not "some old ass shit". In total collectors value, my entire uniform would probably go for around $1500. Older stuff is usually tougher than you think. The reason that its still around is because it was made right. It was made to withstand years of wear, tear and abuse. Ive used a brown leather holster for a few years now, and I know how to use it. I can unholster my .45 just as fast as any of my friends can unholster their pistols from thier tactical holsters. Please dont classify older gear as "Old ass shit". Because its probably one of the sole things that we all owe to not speaking german right now.
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Well, nobody has anything to say unless they have used both styles of gear. I have used both, and in my opinion, modular is the best. Granted, LC2 is cheaper, and modular looks cooler(in my opinion) but really, the "best" is preference. I'm sure C-dog used some older LC2 in basic, right? I used LC2 when I was a noobie at airsofting, and will get to use it(most likely) in basic training. And we both have our reasoning for liking modular gear better.
SM, have you used modular gear for an extended period of time? Have you worn your LC2 for an extended period of time? When I say extended periods of time, I am taking more than 8 or 9 hours). If you were to compare the two, you would be much more satisfied with the modular gear.
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i have used both
but old habits die hard.
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far slayer has a ghillie suit and he uses it with skill and precision, lbe is an obsolete system but a good one none the less, i happen to use the first run m56 lbe gear, all canvas. and it like the rest of the vietnam uniform it hangs from was not cheap. the entire kit and uniform itself could easily be sold for $900 to $1000 if anything for just its complete state. m79 and myself wear older equipment. its easy to slam on old stuff, because yeah its old. i dont think ive said the new stuff doesnt work, just that the older equipment has existed longer and it still works. ive used some modular stuff and yes its comfortable, but it just doesnt have the same feel of reliability and sturdy constuction about it to me. im more inclined to wear my vietnam kit over modular because: it looks good, its a piece of history, its rare in this day and age, its built to last (as it still serves its intended purpose now), no one else really wears it, and i cant forget what i put in each pocket. these are personal reasons but good ones to support the cause.
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far slayer has a ghillie suit and he uses it with skill and precision, lbe is an obsolete system but a good one none the less, i happen to use the first run m56 lbe gear, all canvas. and it like the rest of the vietnam uniform it hangs from was not cheap. the entire kit and uniform itself could easily be sold for $900 to $1000 if anything for just its complete state. m79 and myself wear older equipment. its easy to slam on old stuff, because yeah its old. i dont think ive said the new stuff doesnt work, just that the older equipment has existed longer and it still works. ive used some modular stuff and yes its comfortable, but it just doesnt have the same feel of reliability and sturdy constuction about it to me. im more inclined to wear my vietnam kit over modular because: it looks good, its a piece of history, its rare in this day and age, its built to last (as it still serves its intended purpose now), no one else really wears it, and i cant forget what i put in each pocket. these are personal reasons but good ones to support the cause.
But...With modular gear, in the amount of space you could put alot more shit...and it would be alot more comfortable to wear...I saw some guys AT LC that had LC and I was like "hey isnt that sh*t uncomfortable(this is about 2hrs into the first day) and they said..hell yeah it sucks im going modular..." I think most of us knock it because us who are really into airsoft are into current milsim, not the old stuf..
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It is wierd that I like a pistol belt/Y harnees (LBV) setup with canteen better than my vest and cammel pack. I feel more free in it. Tell mer what you guys think.
Yes, It is...... :lol:
No it really isnt. Camels dont feel good to alot of people. You just have to get used to them. As for canteens..they are ok...until you fall on them. OUCH!
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i have used both
but old habits die hard.
What kind of PALS/MOLLE based kti did you use and for how long?
I used LC2/ALICE gear for 3 years in Search and Rescue when I was a teenager.
I used LC2/ALICE gear for 9 months in Basic and AIT.
I was issued an ELBV and ALICE pack in my Guard unit.
I only wear my MOLLE kit to play airsoft in, and I can tell you that, in the short time I have used it, I can tell it is far superior!
Issue MOLLE gear is not the best.
One point I would like to make is that it's not the style of LBE I dislike, it's simply how the pouches attach. I'm actually quite fond of the suspenders-and-belt kit, as I mentioned above. I found myself re-arranging my kit alot for SAR, and the ALICE system was a giant PITA. PALS kit is not easier to arrange, but it's very easy to calculate EXACTLY how mch kit you can carry, and where you can carry it on your rig. With ALICE/LC I wasn't able to customize my kit enough. It is more customizeable than an ELBV, but I'll take PALS over it any day.
That said, I respect you for using that kit for a reason. If you have indeed given PALS a chance in different environments, and still like LC then it works for you and you should continue to use it. I do not think buying a new kit because it's the newest and latest is ever a good idea if you continue to use it even after you find it may not be the best for your style.
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far slayer has a ghillie suit and he uses it with skill and precision, lbe is an obsolete system but a good one none the less, i happen to use the first run m56 lbe gear, all canvas. and it like the rest of the vietnam uniform it hangs from was not cheap. the entire kit and uniform itself could easily be sold for $900 to $1000 if anything for just its complete state. m79 and myself wear older equipment. its easy to slam on old stuff, because yeah its old. i dont think ive said the new stuff doesnt work, just that the older equipment has existed longer and it still works. ive used some modular stuff and yes its comfortable, but it just doesnt have the same feel of reliability and sturdy constuction about it to me. im more inclined to wear my vietnam kit over modular because: it looks good, its a piece of history, its rare in this day and age, its built to last (as it still serves its intended purpose now), no one else really wears it, and i cant forget what i put in each pocket. these are personal reasons but good ones to support the cause.
But...With modular gear, in the amount of space you could put alot more s***...and it would be alot more comfortable to wear...I saw some guys AT LC that had LC and I was like "hey isnt that sh*t uncomfortable(this is about 2hrs into the first day) and they said..hell yeah it sucks im going modular..." I think most of us knock it because us who are really into airsoft are into current milsim, not the old stuf..
key word most, like i said modular works, works for aparently everybody else but its not what i choose. i like my older equipment. i have about $1100 in my checking account right now . i could have what everybody else has in about 3 days time with ups shipping. so its not that im cheap, its that i enjoy the classic feel of the gear i have now. az sarge you dont need to prove to me how great modular is. its a good setup i used a molle chest rig that i borrowed from a friend for a while i even experimented with some STRIKE stuff. i never "got hooked". some people have lc2 gear just because its what they have at the moment, i have it because it gets the job done and it fits with period uniforms i have. im into airsoft whole heartedly 2 aegs and 5 pistols, not the biggest collection but a good one. i never hear complaints about how old my gear is when i wear my full vietnam kit out, i hear "cool uniform" "vietnam, badass" "how much would you seel the gear for?" ect. only online am i scolded for using it but in realife it functions and looks good. ive walked in the modular shoes and as before its just not for me.
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OK fine, but it's my job to razz you a bit for it. ;)
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I'm bringing this one back alive!
Here is my current setup using a combination of LC2 gear, and modular gear:
(http://www.freewebs.com/fireheadda/non-modkit.JPG)