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Arizona Game Discussions => General Airsoft Game Discussion => Topic started by: warlock on October 01, 2005, 12:25:44 PM

Title: October 9th - Operation Takedown
Post by: warlock on October 01, 2005, 12:25:44 PM
Scenario: A team of FBI agents has cornered a sleeper cell in Southern Arizona, in a sleepy town called Marana. Elimination of the cell is top priority.

Teams:
FBI (2 positions open)
Uniform: Suit, white shirt, black tie.

Reaver
Bullseye
Ogre
Warlock
Bomb Squad
Satan

Al Qurda of Baghdad, AZ (1 positions open)
Uniform: Anything other than a suit and tie.

Bucket
Poopboy
Chainsaw
Elvis
Pryde+1
Preacherman
Bishop+1
Patty O'Brian
Vietnam+1
Crow+2
War savage
Rook

ATTENTION: This game follows all TAC rules, and is considered a CQB engagement. 350fps, full-auto, full face-mask required for all attendees. All TAC rules/restrictions/guidelines apply, unless stated otherwise.

To compensate for this rule, the battles will be quick engagements, 15-30 mins each with a 5-minute breather period in-between.

We will also have other scenarios playing out, I'll make it fun for everyone. During the upcoming week, I'll be posting different scenarios from my playbook that we will see about fitting in.

I am hoping for maximum possible attendance. If we get more than 20 people, we can adjust teams as necessary, do delay-spawns etc. as the field is only 80'x60' and there are obstacles. Everyone will play, everyone will have fun.

LOCATION: Come join us at our newest AO! Located on the premises of the Sudden Impact paintball field in Marana, AZ we have arranged for our very own airsoft CQB environment. Come out and enjoy fun airsoft games, grab refreshments (reasonably priced!) at the drink stand (or bring your own non-alco-beverages). Spectators and cameramen alike are welcome.

FEES: $15 per person, will include a coupon for 5000 .2g BBs from Paintball Headquarters.
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Post by: Vince on October 01, 2005, 01:13:56 PM
Alright, is this full facemask thing like, totally, definitely, 100% required? Any reconsideration on this?

I'm definitely down to go, but not if I have to wear full face. I don't have one, and it would negate the use of a lot of my gear. So, that being said, if like, there's a waiver I can sign or something, I'll sign it. I'm not worried about getting hurt, I just don't find them comfortable.
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Post by: gdaqb on October 01, 2005, 04:26:25 PM
age limit?
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Post by: sNiPeRWoLf88 on October 01, 2005, 04:53:42 PM
well, Vince, its a TAC game, and TAC has a full facemask requirement for all CQB.

Doth that answer thy question?
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Post by: warlock on October 01, 2005, 05:00:27 PM
Quote from: "gdaqb"
age limit?


14+

In typical TAC rules:

14-16years old: full facemask
16-18years old: partial facemask

However since this is a CQB-only game, the rules are all ages, all players must wear full facemasks.
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Post by: warlock on October 01, 2005, 06:48:24 PM
Quote from: "Vince"
Alright, is this full facemask thing like, totally, definitely, 100% required? Any reconsideration on this?

I'm definitely down to go, but not if I have to wear full face. I don't have one, and it would negate the use of a lot of my gear. So, that being said, if like, there's a waiver I can sign or something, I'll sign it. I'm not worried about getting hurt, I just don't find them comfortable.


I agree on the uncomfortable part, heck I voted for 400fps, no facemask requirements in CQB. It appears as though I was outvoted on that issue. The AO we are using has been cultivated by myself as a TAC representative for the purposes of those negotiations, so it would be highly unfair for me to sway from TAC rules when doing an op at a TAC AO.

Besides, this AO promises real, true heavy CQB battles and a couple of my scenarios I'll be doing will provoke some feisty engagements. Even if a facemask were NOT required, I'd still be wearing one.

Sudden Impact does not, of themselves, require facemasks, merely ballistic-rated goggles, ANSI Z87.1 or better. However, this being our first game on the premises I am following TAC guidelines to a T so we can have a good clean fun injury-free first game, and show the paintball community how we do things.
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Post by: Bullseye on October 01, 2005, 06:53:36 PM
Even though *I'm* going to have a full mask...

I believe that if you went with a balaclava/Shemagh over the exposed face, that may suffice.

On this, however I'll need to defer to Bucket for his ruling....

Bucket?
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Post by: warlock on October 01, 2005, 07:07:43 PM
Quote from: "Bullseye"
Even though *I'm* going to have a full mask...
I believe that if you went with a balaclava/Shemagh over the exposed face, that may suffice.


For 18year-olds and above, I think that's pretty much in line with the intent of the rule.

Like Bullseye, however I must defer to Bucket for his ruling.

Bucket?
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Post by: Vince on October 01, 2005, 07:44:57 PM
Well, if I can wear a recon wrap or something along those lines, I would be happy to attend.
Title: not to ask a dumb Question
Post by: Razi on October 02, 2005, 04:03:41 AM
Where is this op physically taking place at?  I've never heard of Marana


Thankyou
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Post by: warlock on October 02, 2005, 04:11:24 AM
Head east on I-10, towards Tucson. Marana is the town right before Tucson. Tangerine Road is one of the available exits, Sudden Impact Paintball Field is on Tangerine.
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Post by: studdermonkey on October 02, 2005, 04:35:03 AM
Wait.. I have a question..

What's the difference between full and partial face mask?
Title: mask info
Post by: Razi on October 02, 2005, 09:59:41 AM
I believe a partial face mask is one that just covers getting hit from the front, , while the full wraps around and also protects most of the cheek area and ears/temple   IE: most current usage paintball masks as opposed to the older styled ones.  

But I could be wrong =P

BTW, where in heck did you get that Jihad Joe screenie?  I nearly died laughing when I 1st saw it,
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Post by: Bucket on October 02, 2005, 01:44:43 PM
I will agree that a "THICK" type of face wrapping is fine, (i.e. a padded balaclave or a shemagh(?) wrapped about the face)

As for the partial mask .... if you take a paintball mask and cut the lower covering at the center of the eyes on each side and then remove those sections over th cheek that is acceptable as partial face cover.

This covers the nose and the mouth but leaves the cheeks open for availablility of sight usage with the weapon.
Title: Game
Post by: Falcon_Phx on October 02, 2005, 02:14:48 PM
Id love to go, if anyone would mind giving me and another a ride, we will definately chip in for gas, We are in Central Phoenix on Camelback road.  PM me if anyone can do this for us.  Thanks

 Falcon

 And thanks from Gilligan.   :D
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Post by: chainsaw on October 02, 2005, 03:14:18 PM
Ill probably be there.
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Post by: warlock on October 02, 2005, 05:05:12 PM
Quote from: "Bucket"
I will agree that a "THICK" type of face wrapping is fine, (i.e. a padded balaclave or a shemagh(?) wrapped about the face)

As for the partial mask .... if you take a paintball mask and cut the lower covering at the center of the eyes on each side and then remove those sections over th cheek that is acceptable as partial face cover.

This covers the nose and the mouth but leaves the cheeks open for availablility of sight usage with the weapon.


Thanks for the clarification Bucket, it is highly appreciated.

Vince, does that answer your question?

Personally, I'm running out to get a padded balaclava.
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Post by: Bomb Squad on October 03, 2005, 10:11:25 AM
Is this open to people that aren't in a club?  I paid the AA fee but haven't filled out a form yet.  I'm interested in going out and have all the equipment; just curious.

Also, what time is this going to be going down?
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Post by: warlock on October 03, 2005, 12:19:30 PM
Independents are always welcome, all you have to be is an airsoft player :) You never know, you might meet a team you like. ;)

And start time will be:

Registration starts at 8:30am on-site

Games will go from 9am-~1pm.
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Post by: Bucket on October 03, 2005, 12:31:31 PM
Warlock,
Do we pay our fee at the field or do we need to pay it in advance at PBHQ?
Also likewise for the waivers?
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Post by: Reaver on October 03, 2005, 01:03:23 PM
Oh I am so going to be there.

  And frankly, I'd recommend full face protection... especially since this is someone else's land AND our first time playing here.  It is imperative that we make a good impression if we are to have the opportunity to play here continually.

  And besides, the small ammount of discomfort you will have wearing a paintball mask far outweighs the discomfort from a ruptured eye or a broken tooth.  ;)

  I can also think of a lot better things I'd like to be doing than applying first aid to someone who skimped on safety equipment.   :?
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Post by: andyhinds on October 03, 2005, 01:05:12 PM
Quote from: "Reaver"
Oh I am so going to be there.

  And frankly, I'd recommend full face protection... especially since this is someone else's land AND our first time playing here.  It is imperative that we make a good impression if we are to have the opportunity to play here continually.

  And bisides, the small ammount of discomfort you will have wearing a paintball mask far outwieghs the discomfort from a ruptured eye or a broken tooth.  ;)

  I can also think of a lot better things I'd like to be doing than applying first aid to someone who skimped on safety equipment.   :?


You can buy a paintball mask with a built in face fan, keeps you cool and keeps the mask from fogging, I usually carry a spare pair of glasses, so once I'm in the "no fire area" I put those on, you never can tell when somebody has an AD.

I'm surprised Sudden Impact (the name of the field) isn't madating, barrel plugs, socks, or something to block the end of the barrel??
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Post by: warlock on October 03, 2005, 01:08:19 PM
Quote from: "Bucket"
Warlock,
Do we pay our fee at the field or do we need to pay it in advance at PBHQ?
Also likewise for the waivers?


Fee gets paid at the field, along with the waivers.
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Post by: Reaver on October 03, 2005, 01:08:43 PM
Quote from: "andyhinds"

I'm surprised Sudden Impact (the name of the field) isn't madating, barrel plugs, socks, or something to block the end of the barrel??


  They are.  I think Warlock forgot to add it.  

  So make sure you have some kind of barrel sock or plug for when you leave the field.
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Post by: warlock on October 03, 2005, 01:21:49 PM
Actually, he said that our rule of mags out, safety on would be sufficient.

Unfortunately when I was thinking about it, I think most AEGs automatically chamber the next round, so even with the mag out if you have an accidental discharge you will put a pellet out. Granted it would be only one, would have to be a lucky shot, but seriously someone here ask DeadEye what he thinks the chances of that happening are.
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Post by: Bullseye on October 03, 2005, 01:39:12 PM
Quote from: "warlock"
Actually, he said that our rule of mags out, safety on would be sufficient.

Unfortunately when I was thinking about it, I think most AEGs automatically chamber the next round, so even with the mag out if you have an accidental discharge you will put a pellet out. Granted it would be only one, would have to be a lucky shot, but seriously someone here ask DeadEye what he thinks the chances of that happening are.


So - mag out - point muzzle down and discharge. Better safe and empty than sorry and defending in court later....
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Post by: Patty o' Brian on October 03, 2005, 05:16:09 PM
I may be able to attend. but ill only have a gas pistol to play with. My bro also might be able to go since he would be my ride.
Edit: hey would the wire mesh masks be ok to wear?
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Post by: sNiPeRWoLf88 on October 03, 2005, 05:37:29 PM
Hey, just think though... how often does a gun get "accidentally discharged" in the DZ's at our regular AO's?

Yeah... not to often.  I don't think we'll have to much of a problem (plus guns are usually pointed towards the ground in the DZ).  There's always chance... but not likely in this case.
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Post by: warlock on October 03, 2005, 06:19:21 PM
Quote from: "Patty o' Brian"
I may be able to attend. but ill only have a gas pistol to play with. My bro also might be able to go since he would be my ride.
Edit: hey would the wire mesh masks be ok to wear?


As long as there is ANSI Z87.1 rated eyewear underneath, yes.
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Post by: warlock on October 03, 2005, 06:34:33 PM
And don't worry about having only a pistol. There isn't a possibility that anyone would be out of range for a gas pistol, considering the dimensions of the playing field (80x60ft). I myself plan on using my pistols primarily (they don't fire as close to 350 as my AEGs do), and maybe warming things up with an AEG, moving to pistols for better/easier coverage.
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Post by: Patty o' Brian on October 03, 2005, 07:06:49 PM
ok ill be wearing my safety glasses underneath the mask. what time does it start?
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Post by: warlock on October 03, 2005, 09:57:22 PM
Registration starts at 8:30am, games start at 9am
Title: size does matter! =P
Post by: Razi on October 04, 2005, 03:01:19 AM
80x60 ehh? funky....lots of blocking obstacles etc?  otherwise I see a Civilwar battle starting up IE:  both sides line up and blast away til one or the other wins. Hehehe...which also be funky to see
Title: Re: size does matter! =P
Post by: Reaver on October 04, 2005, 05:44:06 AM
Quote from: "Razi"
80x60 ehh? funky....lots of blocking obstacles etc?  otherwise I see a Civilwar battle starting up IE:  both sides line up and blast away til one or the other wins. Hehehe...which also be funky to see


  Actually, the CQB area is going to be hallways and rooms.  The only obstacles will be walls and people.  ;)
Title: Re: size does matter! =P
Post by: andyhinds on October 04, 2005, 06:55:52 AM
Quote from: "Reaver"
Quote from: "Razi"
80x60 ehh? funky....lots of blocking obstacles etc?  otherwise I see a Civilwar battle starting up IE:  both sides line up and blast away til one or the other wins. Hehehe...which also be funky to see

  Actually, the CQB area is going to be hallways and rooms.  The only obstacles will be walls and people.  ;)


Is going to be... so does that mean it hasn't been built yet?
Title: Re: size does matter! =P
Post by: warlock on October 04, 2005, 07:23:48 AM
Quote from: "andyhinds"
Quote from: "Reaver"
Quote from: "Razi"
80x60 ehh? funky....lots of blocking obstacles etc?  otherwise I see a Civilwar battle starting up IE:  both sides line up and blast away til one or the other wins. Hehehe...which also be funky to see

  Actually, the CQB area is going to be hallways and rooms.  The only obstacles will be walls and people.  ;)

Is going to be... so does that mean it hasn't been built yet?


Correct. We'll be out there setting up the field on Saturday.
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Post by: warlock on October 05, 2005, 02:35:15 AM
Surprise Scenario:

During the sweep of the terrorist's base, 2 FBI agents are taken hostage. FBI team must rescue BOTH hostages while eliminating the opposing force. Friendly fire counts as locational (hit in an arm, can't use that arm...hit in a leg must limp etc.). Teamkilling will end this scenario. To rescue a hostage you must tag them. Hostages cannot be executed by the opfor, they must be rescued in order to be killed.

Hostages will be carrying ONE loaded pistol with them. No extra ammo. Weapon must remain holstered until tagged, at which point they can join the FBI rescue operation and use their one pistol. Additional weapons and/or ammo cannot be provided by teammates.

Scenario is won by FBI when the opposing force is eliminated. Scenario is won by opfor if either of the hostages are teamkilled, or if the FBI rescue team is eliminated.

Estimated time of engagement: 10-20 minutes
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Post by: warlock on October 05, 2005, 02:40:59 AM
Doh. double-post.
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Post by: warlock on October 05, 2005, 02:42:57 AM
Since I've been slacking on the scenario-writing....

Surprise Scenario:

Jail time (pistols only, unlimited ammo)

Both teams start at either end of the field. Simultaneous spawn, 10-second no-fire time (you may not discharge your weapon for the first 10 seconds to allow for positioning)

Players who are hit must proceed to the middle of the structure, and hold one hand to the wall. Teammates can enter the "jail" and tag teammates to rescue them. You may ONLY enter the jail to perform a rescue. Firing into the jail is not allowed. Once rescued you must leave the jail as quickly as safely possible.

Winner of this scenario is the first team to successfully jail the other team, leaving no one to rescue.

Estimated time of engagement: 20-45 minutes
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Post by: warlock on October 05, 2005, 02:58:18 AM
And, one more: I'm feeling spicy!

Surprise Scenario:

Officers down (pistols only, one loaded pistol+one clip per player)

The objective of this scenario is to kill the officer on the opposing team. The officer will be the person with their deathrag hanging off their waist.

Scenario is won by the first team to eliminate the officer of the opposing team.

Expected engagement time: 10 minutes
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Post by: andyhinds on October 05, 2005, 07:09:09 AM
Quote from: "warlock"
Since I've been slacking on the scenario-writing....

Surprise Scenario:

Jail time (pistols only, unlimited ammo)

Both teams start at either end of the field. Simultaneous spawn, 10-second no-fire time (you may not discharge your weapon for the first 10 seconds to allow for positioning)

Players who are hit must proceed to the middle of the structure, and hold one hand to the wall. Teammates can enter the "jail" and tag teammates to rescue them. You may ONLY enter the jail to perform a rescue. Firing into the jail is not allowed. Once rescued you must leave the jail as quickly as safely possible.

Winner of this scenario is the first team to successfully jail the other team, leaving no one to rescue.

Estimated time of engagement: 20-45 minutes


If its 45min.... do you think people will be running out of gas an ammo well before that time?
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Post by: Bullseye on October 05, 2005, 07:49:37 AM
Quote from: "andyhinds"
Quote from: "warlock"
Since I've been slacking on the scenario-writing....

Surprise Scenario:

Jail time (pistols only, unlimited ammo)

Both teams start at either end of the field. Simultaneous spawn, 10-second no-fire time (you may not discharge your weapon for the first 10 seconds to allow for positioning)

Players who are hit must proceed to the middle of the structure, and hold one hand to the wall. Teammates can enter the "jail" and tag teammates to rescue them. You may ONLY enter the jail to perform a rescue. Firing into the jail is not allowed. Once rescued you must leave the jail as quickly as safely possible.

Winner of this scenario is the first team to successfully jail the other team, leaving no one to rescue.

Estimated time of engagement: 20-45 minutes

If its 45min.... do you think people will be running out of gas an ammo well before that time?


You mean - like real life? :)
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Post by: Reaver on October 05, 2005, 08:38:42 AM
Quote from: "Bullseye"
Quote from: "andyhinds"
Quote from: "warlock"
Since I've been slacking on the scenario-writing....

Surprise Scenario:

Jail time (pistols only, unlimited ammo)

Both teams start at either end of the field. Simultaneous spawn, 10-second no-fire time (you may not discharge your weapon for the first 10 seconds to allow for positioning)

Players who are hit must proceed to the middle of the structure, and hold one hand to the wall. Teammates can enter the "jail" and tag teammates to rescue them. You may ONLY enter the jail to perform a rescue. Firing into the jail is not allowed. Once rescued you must leave the jail as quickly as safely possible.

Winner of this scenario is the first team to successfully jail the other team, leaving no one to rescue.

Estimated time of engagement: 20-45 minutes

If its 45min.... do you think people will be running out of gas an ammo well before that time?

You mean - like real life? :)


  A real man knows how to hold his ammunition.  ;)
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Post by: warlock on October 05, 2005, 09:06:28 AM
Quote from: "andyhinds"
Quote from: "warlock"
Since I've been slacking on the scenario-writing....

Surprise Scenario:

Jail time (pistols only, unlimited ammo)

If its 45min.... do you think people will be running out of gas an ammo well before that time?


Depends on how much ammo and gas they bring with them. I'll be carrying 100 rounds of ammo in 4 clips, and 2 pistols.
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Post by: Vince on October 05, 2005, 09:11:01 AM
magazines
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Post by: Reaver on October 05, 2005, 10:00:40 AM
Quote from: "Vince"
magazines


  No, clips.  Magazines are what you read or use to store explosives in a ship.  ;)
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Post by: Elvis on October 05, 2005, 11:12:38 AM
Quote from: "Reaver"
Quote from: "Vince"
magazines

  No, clips.  Magazines are what you read or use to store explosives in a ship.  ;)


C'mon Reaver you disappoint  me......

"A clip is a device that loads cartridges into a magazine, not the device which feeds cartridges into a firearm, which is the function of the magazine."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine_%28firearm%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip

or

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=magazine
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=clip

8-COUNTS!!!........BEGIN!!!!!!!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
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Post by: warlock on October 05, 2005, 12:05:43 PM
Quote from: "Elvis"
Quote from: "Reaver"
Quote from: "Vince"
magazines

  No, clips.  Magazines are what you read or use to store explosives in a ship.  ;)

C'mon Reaver you disappoint  me......

"A clip is a device that loads cartridges into a magazine, not the device which feeds cartridges into a firearm, which is the function of the magazine."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magazine_%28firearm%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clip

or

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=magazine
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=clip

8-COUNTS!!!........BEGIN!!!!!!!! :lol:  :lol:  :lol:

Wikipedia should always be taken with a grain of salt. It's like trusting urbandictionary that pwn is actually a word.

From the dictionary.reference.com link though...

Quote
clip

n 1: a metal frame or container holding cartridges; can be inserted into an automatic gun [syn: cartridge holder, cartridge clip, magazine]
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Post by: warlock on October 05, 2005, 12:07:55 PM
I say clip because my father always called them clips. Rifle magazines however, are called magazines.

Hence, in my internal dictionary:

Clip=Pistol ammo cartridge
Magazine=Rifle ammo cartridge
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Post by: Reaver on October 05, 2005, 12:38:30 PM
Technically, a clip is a removable device that holds ammunition.  A magazine is an internal, fixed well.  The term magazine came from ship terminology where a combat ships ammunition is held in a magazine.

  So, my M-91 bolt action has a magazine
  My Steyr GB has a clip.

  The only other time you would have a magazine is when you have issues.  ;)
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Post by: Bullseye on October 05, 2005, 12:39:16 PM
Quote from: "warlock"
I say clip because my father always called them clips. Rifle magazines however, are called magazines.

Hence, in my internal dictionary:

Clip=Pistol ammo cartridge
Magazine=Rifle ammo cartridge


BZZZT! Wrong answer....

Clip - brass fitting to allow the loading of a fixed (M1 Garand) or non-fixed (M16 et al) box magaxine see also Stripper Clip

Magazine - container for cartrige ammunition see also Box Magazine
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Post by: Bomb Squad on October 05, 2005, 01:19:36 PM
Wow.  Who gives a shit.  I'm in the military and even we don't throw a fit like this.

Staying on topic, I plan on being there Sunday morning with guns ready to go.  I'm bringing a few AEGs and my new M9.  It'll be nice to get back into the swing of things. :)
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Post by: Reaver on October 05, 2005, 01:23:37 PM
Quote from: "Bomb Squad"
Wow.  Who gives a s***.  I'm in the military and even we don't throw a fit like this.

Staying on topic, I plan on being there Sunday morning with guns ready to go.  I'm bringing a few AEGs and my new M9.  It'll be nice to get back into the swing of things. :)


  Sweet.  Be glad to see ya there.  :)

  Oh, and make sure to bring plenty of clips.  ;)

  (sorry, couldn't resist).
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Post by: War savage on October 05, 2005, 01:32:15 PM
So reading the scenarios. I noticed that in general it is 4 against 12 or however many opposing people show. Do you think you should include some sort of friendly team support for FBI? Like SWAT, Rangers, SEALS, SF, Mercenary (contractor) teams? Even though you may think that it is possible for a team of 2 FBI agents to wipe out a whole sleeper cell of 12. You couldn't do it in 10-20 minutes. And I doubt anyone has the extensive training to do this at the event. I personally think FBI will get thier @$$ handed to them everytime without some sort of friendly support or opposing force handicap.
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Post by: warlock on October 05, 2005, 03:25:34 PM
Quote from: "War savage"
So reading the scenarios. I noticed that in general it is 4 against 12 or however many opposing people show. Do you think you should include some sort of friendly team support for FBI? Like SWAT, Rangers, SEALS, SF, Mercenary (contractor) teams? Even though you may think that it is possible for a team of 2 FBI agents to wipe out a whole sleeper cell of 12. You couldn't do it in 10-20 minutes. And I doubt anyone has the extensive training to do this at the event. I personally think FBI will get thier @$$ handed to them everytime without some sort of friendly support or opposing force handicap.


You haven't played with Reaver yet have you?  8)

We'll see how it goes. None of this is set in stone, you never know. I might give the FBI 4 hostages and have the remaining Al Qurda team go in for rescue if I feel it would be an unfair fight the other way around. I'm a fluid individual, I can adapt my scenarios to match the reality of the team strengths.

I just feel that the 4 of us could take on the current numbered OpFor no problem. And I'll be this confident until proven otherwise.
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Post by: warlock on October 05, 2005, 03:26:29 PM
Quote from: "Bomb Squad"
Wow.  Who gives a s***.  I'm in the military and even we don't throw a fit like this.

Staying on topic, I plan on being there Sunday morning with guns ready to go.  I'm bringing a few AEGs and my new M9.  It'll be nice to get back into the swing of things. :)


Sweet. Any team preference?
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Post by: Bomb Squad on October 05, 2005, 03:37:25 PM
Which ever team you'd need me on.  I've got BDU woodlands, DCUs, slates, and my suit that I use for USSS support.  I have experience in role based squads (scout, fire supression dude (that was me), etc) but not too much in CQB so I'm down for whatever.  

I'm not picky; I just love to play airsoft. :)
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Post by: warlock on October 05, 2005, 03:39:58 PM
Bring your suit :) I'll put you on the FBI team to even things up a bit, and hope for further Al Qurda enrollment.
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Post by: warlock on October 05, 2005, 03:57:52 PM
Quote from: "Reaver"
Oh, and make sure to bring plenty of clips.  ;)

  (sorry, couldn't resist).


They will be hereafter referred to as AmmoPaks.  :D
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Post by: Patty o' Brian on October 05, 2005, 04:06:28 PM
hey any chance i could bring like a cardboard    swat-ish shield? Just wondering because i know that bb's can penetrate at a certain range so I wouldn't be to invincible.
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Post by: warlock on October 05, 2005, 04:11:46 PM
Quote from: "Patty o' Brian"
hey any chance i could bring like a cardboard    swat-ish shield? Just wondering because i know that bb's can penetrate at a certain range so I wouldn't be to invincible.


If it's single-ply cardboard, I don't see a problem.

At <10ft BBs will go right through it. The thing is (I'm not sure yet) I'm almost sure that the engagement distances would be less than 10 feet at most times. And the crunch spots should actually make the shield a liability.

And it doesn't remove the need for goggles and face covering :)
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Post by: Patty o' Brian on October 05, 2005, 04:19:14 PM
oh i know that i would still need googles. but since ill only have a pistol it makes it a bit easier to move around with. but as of yet im still a maybe.

Edit: Ok i can definatly go. my parents are gonna give me a ride.
Sign me up for the wear anything team. Do we need any waivers signed other than the sudden impact one.
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Post by: warlock on October 05, 2005, 09:41:46 PM
I'll probably be on my pistol for most of the time, and working my M4 like there's no tomorrow.
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Post by: warlock on October 05, 2005, 09:42:25 PM
Quote from: "Patty o' Brian"
oh i know that i would still need googles. but since ill only have a pistol it makes it a bit easier to move around with. but as of yet im still a maybe.

Edit: Ok i can definatly go. my parents are gonna give me a ride.
Sign me up for the wear anything team. Do we need any waivers signed other than the sudden impact one.


Awesome!

Nope, only the Sudden Impact waiver is required.
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Post by: warlock on October 05, 2005, 09:43:51 PM
Spots are filling quick :)
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Post by: War savage on October 06, 2005, 10:36:49 AM
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So reading the scenarios. I noticed that in general it is 4 against 12 or however many opposing people show. Do you think you should include some sort of friendly team support for FBI? Like SWAT, Rangers, SEALS, SF, Mercenary (contractor) teams? Even though you may think that it is possible for a team of 2 FBI agents to wipe out a whole sleeper cell of 12. You couldn't do it in 10-20 minutes. And I doubt anyone has the extensive training to do this at the event. I personally think FBI will get thier @$$ handed to them everytime without some sort of friendly support or opposing force handicap.

You haven't played with Reaver yet have you?  8)

We'll see how it goes. None of this is set in stone, you never know. I might give the FBI 4 hostages and have the remaining Al Qurda team go in for rescue if I feel it would be an unfair fight the other way around. I'm a fluid individual, I can adapt my scenarios to match the reality of the team strengths.

I just feel that the 4 of us could take on the current numbered OpFor no problem. And I'll be this confident until proven otherwise.


Alright then!! A challenge!! You've peaked my interest. Guess we'll prove you wrong on Sunday. Count me in. Oh, and as for Reaver. Yes, I've played with him. Make sure he's wearing his Ninja shoes. You guys will need all his help you can get.

Team Al Quarda please.....or what ever your calling it.
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Post by: Reaver on October 06, 2005, 10:44:55 AM
Quote from: "War savage"

Alright then!! A challenge!! You've peaked my interest. Guess we'll prove you wrong on Sunday. Count me in. Oh, and as for Reaver. Yes, I've played with him. Make sure he's wearing his Ninja shoes. You guys will need all his help you can get.

Team Al Quarda please.....or what ever your calling it.


  LOL.  Actually, I will be wearing my tabi's.  They should work just fine for the soft dirt the CQB area is going to be sitting on.  Of course I'm also gonna bring my boots just in case we want to use the big field out behind it at any point.  :)

  Oh, and I'll be more than happy to shoot you War Savage.  ;)
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Post by: War savage on October 06, 2005, 11:27:59 AM
Quote from: "Reaver"
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Alright then!! A challenge!! You've peaked my interest. Guess we'll prove you wrong on Sunday. Count me in. Oh, and as for Reaver. Yes, I've played with him. Make sure he's wearing his Ninja shoes. You guys will need all his help you can get.

Team Al Quarda please.....or what ever your calling it.

  LOL.  Actually, I will be wearing my tabi's.  They should work just fine for the soft dirt the CQB area is going to be sitting on.  Of course I'm also gonna bring my boots just in case we want to use the big field out behind it at any point.  :)

  Oh, and I'll be more than happy to shoot you War Savage.  ;)


I would be Honored by you and only you Reaver. Remember, "he who fights by the sword dies by the sword" (something like that). MuuHHAHAHAHAHAHaaaa!! ;)
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Post by: Reaver on October 06, 2005, 12:31:26 PM
Quote from: "War savage"
I would be Honored by you and only you Reaver. Remember, "he who fights by the sword dies by the sword" (something like that). MuuHHAHAHAHAHAHaaaa!! ;)


  Sword!  I knew I was forgetting something.  Must remember to bring my sword.  ;)
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Post by: warlock on October 06, 2005, 02:14:40 PM
Surprise scenario:

Ladder match (one loaded pistol only, no extra ammo)

Pick a partner. Teams of two will compete head-to-head, ladder-style. Elimination by kill only. Each team of two starts at opposite ends of the field. Once whistle is blown, there is a 3-second no-shoot timer (no discharge of weapons for the first 3 seconds) to allow a run for cover/positioning.

Running out of ammo and/or gas counts as an elimination. Count your shots well.

The winner is determined, ladder-style.

This will probably be used as the last scenario of the day.

Estimated enagement time: 1hr
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Post by: warlock on October 07, 2005, 08:58:36 AM
I would like to extend my thanks to everyone who signed up for this op. With a short notice, we've been able to fill almost every single slot. Hooyah!
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Post by: 1trooper, manyweapons on October 07, 2005, 06:47:01 PM
count me in, BOS all they way.

currently my normal pc doesnt work due to the harddrive fryed.
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Post by: m-79_Grenadier on October 08, 2005, 12:47:34 AM
Reaver and now you too War Savage.
Maybe Ill go to this one if I can make some spare time.

I was supposed to attend a TAC meeting we're holding there beforehand anyway. Ive been needing to talk to some pheonix guys about AO placements anyway. But im still not feeling the full facemask deal.
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Post by: Bucket on October 08, 2005, 06:55:03 AM
Sorry for getting this off topic... Grenadier the TAC Advisors meeting is Saturday not Sunday and it will be after the Setup at the field.

Once again for getting of topic. Now back to topic....
I will not be able to make this game sorry warlock. I have a prior engagement.
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Post by: Bomb Squad on October 08, 2005, 09:17:15 AM
Just figured this would help everyone.

http://www.paintballheadquarters.net/pa ... %20marana' (http://www.paintballheadquarters.net/paintball/images/Map.pdf#search='sudden%20impact%20paintball%3B%20marana')

I'll be bringing my suit and a few sets of BDU/DCUs and an extra AEG or two.  My suit isn't black; it's more of a greyish/olive color but I'll still fit in. :)

See you all on Sunday!
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Post by: Patty o' Brian on October 08, 2005, 02:44:50 PM
I will see you all at 0830 tommorow.
Im looking forward to playing with you guys.
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Post by: chainsaw on October 08, 2005, 08:26:12 PM
WARLOCK what forms do i need orwill they have waivers and PPF there? What time do you want me to come?
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Post by: Patty o' Brian on October 08, 2005, 08:41:50 PM
Hey chainsaw read page 2 of the discussion.
all your questions will be answered.
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Post by: warlock on October 09, 2005, 01:08:24 PM
Good games everyone!

A big bow to War savage, he was well on top of his game today. Big Kudos bro.

Everyone played great, we had some awesome fun out there!

Next time, we need more people, and exclusive access to the helicopter area  :D  Oh yeah that'd be Innoculation.  ;)

Nice clean fun out there, the pistols-only rounds were getting good but for safety's sake we had to get out of the heat. So we didn't go the full time I expected us to, so I apologize for that. I'll make up for it at one of my next ops.

The hostage scenario turned out to be the most fun for me, being entrenched in that building gave a real good sense of tension to the game. My fellow teammates shined in that scenario, and it was one of two that day the FBI team won. Of course, the OpFor was the winner for the day, I lost count of how many we lost to them, but they played it well.

I'll be running more ops out at this location, I'll probably keep what worked (pistol games, hostage rescue scenarios) and ditch what didn't work (uneven teams, windows in the CQB field). So keep your eyes open, I'll keep running ops as long as people keep coming.

Sorry to the fellow who brought the shield, but I was getting a lot of requests to have it disallowed for the pistol games. Take it as a compliment, you were hard to remove when you had the shield.

All in all, I had a blast and I hope you folks did as well. Hopefully one of the cameramen will grace us with photos soon  :D
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Post by: War savage on October 09, 2005, 01:24:29 PM
Thanks for the props Warlock. Now that Andyhinds is leaving we now have a new Op leader down in Tucson. You have proven a real asset to airsoft.

Warlock, Bucket, Reaver and Mario all did an awesome job. FBI got into the swing of things after they warmed up. It was an uneven battle at first but they did put up a good fight.

Can't wait for the next Op Warlock.
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Post by: Patty o' Brian on October 09, 2005, 02:10:51 PM
My sheild was really good pretty good at stoping those bb's. Great game everyone i hope to meet you on the field again.
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Post by: warlock on October 10, 2005, 09:28:41 AM
Quote from: "Patty o' Brian"
My sheild was really good pretty good at stoping those bb's. Great game everyone i hope to meet you on the field again.


Hope to see you out there whenever the next op is (aside from Innoculation, that is the very next op).
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Post by: Bucket on October 10, 2005, 09:45:17 AM
O'Brian
I welcome you to any TAC games. You are a very honorable player.
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Post by: Reaver on October 11, 2005, 07:20:34 AM
A big huge thank you for all who showed up.  It was a blast playing out there.

  And for those who took pictures... where's the pics?  ;)
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Post by: War savage on October 11, 2005, 07:03:29 PM
Pics anyone? ;)
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Post by: Rook on October 12, 2005, 06:43:02 AM
http://members.cox.net/eos1az/pistolgame.mp4 (http://members.cox.net/eos1az/pistolgame.mp4)
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Post by: Elvis on October 12, 2005, 09:10:08 AM
Great video man took me awhile to find the right player and codec for it though.........if anyone else has problems http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

This has got to be a first, video before pics...........
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Post by: Rook on October 12, 2005, 09:16:20 AM
Yeah, my bad.  Went for some high compression just so I could get it posted.  Just shy of 5mb, clip is 2.5 min or so.  Quicktime plays it without a problem.
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Post by: poopboy47 on October 12, 2005, 10:26:25 AM
this sucks my comp keeps useing realplayer to play the 1st video and all i have is sound, and the second i have no clue where to go to see it, can anyone help me?
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Post by: chainsaw on October 12, 2005, 10:31:24 AM
Great video now ogre.....where are thoes pics :)
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Post by: Elvis on October 12, 2005, 11:00:38 AM
Quote from: "poopboy47"
this sucks my comp keeps useing realplayer to play the 1st video and all i have is sound, and the second i have no clue where to go to see it, can anyone help me?


The second one that I posted is a player for the video if your having problems playing it use the link I posted and just select your OS from the ones available it will start the download and install its free software.
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Post by: poopboy47 on October 12, 2005, 11:35:17 AM
man i cant i have some window blocker thing and it wont let me download, oh well i cant wait to see the pics
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Post by: Bullseye on October 12, 2005, 03:22:23 PM
Quote from: "poopboy47"
this sucks my comp keeps useing realplayer to play the 1st video and all i have is sound, and the second i have no clue where to go to see it, can anyone help me?


Use Quicktime 7 (after uninstalling iTunes)
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Post by: Bucket on October 12, 2005, 05:33:58 PM
Quote from: "Rook"
http://members.cox.net/eos1az/pistolgame.mp4


Dang Debian doesn't like that file.
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Post by: warlock on October 12, 2005, 05:44:08 PM
That videolan client project also has a Linux player, bucket. That should play it.
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Post by: Patty o' Brian on October 12, 2005, 05:47:33 PM
I just want to know where are the pics?
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Post by: Bucket on October 12, 2005, 05:48:10 PM
Cool, thanks Warlock.
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Post by: warlock on October 12, 2005, 05:48:48 PM
Pics are coming, don't worry.
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Post by: poopboy47 on October 13, 2005, 01:12:49 PM
ok ima use Familiar Linux but once i click that link where do i go and what do i do from there?
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Post by: Bucket on October 13, 2005, 01:17:16 PM
Quote from: "poopboy47"
ok ima use Familiar Linux but once i click that link where do i go and what do i do from there?


Familliar Linux is it debian based?

If so use the debian link and follow the instructions. Keep in mind you have to have root priveledge when following the directions.
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Post by: poopboy47 on October 13, 2005, 08:45:20 PM
oh well ima give up. ill look at it at school or something
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Post by: poopboy47 on October 16, 2005, 10:09:51 PM
pics yet?
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Post by: warlock on October 18, 2005, 06:02:06 AM
Pics are in!

Click here to see the full images (http://www.tucsoncoalition.com/gallery2/main.php?g2_view=core.ShowItem&g2_itemId=77) (images below are auto-resized by the server....full-size original images available from the link)

Thread which has the pics as in-line images can be found here:

Click Linkie! (http://www.airsoftarizona.com/forumbb/viewtopic.php?t=7985)