Magazine problems

[Rako]

Hey all,
 I recently ordered 3 G&G GR16 mags.  They seem perfect, they hold all 79 rounds fine, and fit into my Echo 1s mag well tightly, lock into place fine.  Then I fire about 5 rounds, and it stops feeding the bbs.  I take the mag out, put it back in, fire 5 rounds, and its just blanks again.  All 3 did this, and one of them would fire 3 at once, only making it 10 feet.  AirsoftGIs site said it works in Echo 1 M4/M16s, which my rifle is.  Any fixes/reasons for this, or should I just return them and get different mid-caps?

[SGT. DANGLE]

Hey all,
 I recently ordered 3 G&G GR16 mags.  They seem perfect, they hold all 79 rounds fine, and fit into my Echo 1s mag well tightly, lock into place fine.  Then I fire about 5 rounds, and it stops feeding the bbs.  I take the mag out, put it back in, fire 5 rounds, and its just blanks again.  All 3 did this, and one of them would fire 3 at once, only making it 10 feet.  AirsoftGIs site said it works in Echo 1 M4/M16s, which my rifle is.  Any fixes/reasons for this, or should I just return them and get different mid-caps?

Now this is the problem when mixing up different brands of magazines to different brands of guns. Sure they are the same weapon platform, but some magazine fit and are for that weapon platform...still they have feeding problems.

Perhaps it's not the magazine, but the way the hop-up is placed in the gun itself. How much play does it have; and does it press down FULLY on the release latch on the top of the magazine that keeps the loaded rounds from shooting out of the magazine prematurely?

Perhaps the air nozzle is out of line and isn't feeding the rounds in sync like it should.

-Sergeant B.A. Dangle

[sinfulpain]

Have you changed brands of ammo, also? At a recent game, I had to use some poor quality Bio BB's, and they kept jamming in the feeder from the mag to the hopup. Verify that that is not the case with your current ammunition, if you have changed it.

Also, load the mags fully, aim the mag so it'll unload the mag into a bag or something, then pull the tab to release all the rounds. If only a few rounds leave at a time, its DEFINITELY problems with the mags, not your gun.

Like SGT.Dangle said, also, it may be that the magazine and the feeder in the magwell don't quite line up right, and are causing misfeeds. Have you tried rocking the magazine back and forth, or side to side, to see if that allows it to feed properly?

~Brian

[Rako]

Hey all,
 I recently ordered 3 G&G GR16 mags.  They seem perfect, they hold all 79 rounds fine, and fit into my Echo 1s mag well tightly, lock into place fine.  Then I fire about 5 rounds, and it stops feeding the bbs.  I take the mag out, put it back in, fire 5 rounds, and its just blanks again.  All 3 did this, and one of them would fire 3 at once, only making it 10 feet.  AirsoftGIs site said it works in Echo 1 M4/M16s, which my rifle is.  Any fixes/reasons for this, or should I just return them and get different mid-caps?

Now this is the problem when mixing up different brands of magazines to different brands of guns. Sure they are the same weapon platform, but some magazine fit and are for that weapon platform...still they have feeding problems.

Perhaps it's not the magazine, but the way the hop-up is placed in the gun itself. How much play does it have; and does it press down FULLY on the release latch on the top of the magazine that keeps the loaded rounds from shooting out of the magazine prematurely?

Perhaps the air nozzle is out of line and isn't feeding the rounds in sync like it should.

-Sergeant B.A. Dangle

I dont think the guns having problems, the high-cap it came with feeds perfectly.  The magazine fits tightly, it goes in and locks fully into the reciever, but it doesnt have any play like the high-cap does.

[Rako]

Have you changed brands of ammo, also? At a recent game, I had to use some poor quality Bio BB's, and they kept jamming in the feeder from the mag to the hopup. Verify that that is not the case with your current ammunition, if you have changed it.

Also, load the mags fully, aim the mag so it'll unload the mag into a bag or something, then pull the tab to release all the rounds. If only a few rounds leave at a time, its DEFINITELY problems with the mags, not your gun.

Like SGT.Dangle said, also, it may be that the magazine and the feeder in the magwell don't quite line up right, and are causing misfeeds. Have you tried rocking the magazine back and forth, or side to side, to see if that allows it to feed properly?

~Brian

Ive shot most of the 4000 BB bag with the high-cap, no problems with that.  And the mid-caps seem to be perfectly normal, they load fine, unload fine when you pull the tab.  The mags are tight in it, i cant rock it back and forth.  I had another member tell me to sand the front and back down so i can rock it a little.  But it would probably be better to just return them and try out some other kind of mid-cap.

[sinfulpain]

Ive shot most of the 4000 BB bag with the high-cap, no problems with that.  And the mid-caps seem to be perfectly normal, they load fine, unload fine when you pull the tab.  The mags are tight in it, i cant rock it back and forth.  I had another member tell me to sand the front and back down so i can rock it a little.  But it would probably be better to just return them and try out some other kind of mid-cap.

Okay, then it must be that the feeding tube for the hopup isn't lining up with the magazine.

I had a solution in my head how to fix the problem, but I forgot it already  :x

If I remember it, I'll edit this post later.

~Brian

[SGT. DANGLE]

Hey all,
 I recently ordered 3 G&G GR16 mags.  They seem perfect, they hold all 79 rounds fine, and fit into my Echo 1s mag well tightly, lock into place fine.  Then I fire about 5 rounds, and it stops feeding the bbs.  I take the mag out, put it back in, fire 5 rounds, and its just blanks again.  All 3 did this, and one of them would fire 3 at once, only making it 10 feet.  AirsoftGIs site said it works in Echo 1 M4/M16s, which my rifle is.  Any fixes/reasons for this, or should I just return them and get different mid-caps?

Now this is the problem when mixing up different brands of magazines to different brands of guns. Sure they are the same weapon platform, but some magazine fit and are for that weapon platform...still they have feeding problems.

Perhaps it's not the magazine, but the way the hop-up is placed in the gun itself. How much play does it have; and does it press down FULLY on the release latch on the top of the magazine that keeps the loaded rounds from shooting out of the magazine prematurely?

Perhaps the air nozzle is out of line and isn't feeding the rounds in sync like it should.

-Sergeant B.A. Dangle

I dont think the guns having problems, the high-cap it came with feeds perfectly.  The magazine fits tightly, it goes in and locks fully into the reciever, but it doesnt have any play like the high-cap does.

Like I said, the magazine that came with your rifle, OF COURSE it's going to work! It's the aftermarket magazines, especially ones that are not made for the same brand of rifle, tend to have problems jamming up. You stated that ALL three magazines did this, which means either there is something not right with your rifle, or the magazines are just not great regardless if they fit tight in the mag well or not!

I have researched for you and the magazines have great reviews from what I can tell. No feeding problems of any kinds. My conclusion the the data is that perhaps the magazines are TOO tight within the mag well. Magazines are not supposed to be tight. Instead they should be securely snug with a hair of play.

The magazines themselves can not be the problem because they are all doing the same thing, which leads me to conclude that there is a centralized problem with the rifle itself. If creating some more play of the magazine in the mag well doesn't fix it, then buy some other magazines. Preferably Echo 1 magazines.

Have you tried taking apart the magazines yet to see if there was anything wrong with them?

-Sergeant B.A. Dangle

[Rako]

Yea, everyone thought the mags were so great, some with Echo 1s,  I was expecting them to work good.  But I dont think I want to modify the mags and have them still not work, I wont be able to get a refund.  Ill send them back and trade them in for some Echo 1 mids.

[SGT. DANGLE]

Yea, everyone thought the mags were so great, some with Echo 1s,  I was expecting them to work good.  But I dont think I want to modify the mags and have them still not work, I wont be able to get a refund.  Ill send them back and trade them in for some Echo 1 mids.

Well there you have it! Also; does your Echo1 have a stock lower receiver or is it after market?

[Rako]

The lower is stock M4 reciever, upper is stock HK416 reciever.  Or maybe its the other way around...either way, it should be the same.

[Rako]

So I put the Echo 1 and the G&G mags side by side, and the G&G feeding tube thing is slightly more forwards, probably causing the problem.