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Service uniform items/awards and airsoft...please comment
« on: December 11, 2010, 12:13:43 PM »
For some time now I have been trying to blend uniforms from what myself and other vets on my team wore in the real army and other services to what our team wears when we play airsoft. Maybe I was going about it the wrong way. When we started our team we had a talk about what we should wear and not. The first thing to go was the U.S. Army tap. We figured that since, by that time, we were all out of active duty that we didn’t want to bring any dishonor or anything negative to the guys that are still serving.  Next was our last unit patch. We switched that for our new team patch and that was it for awhile. We still wore our combat patches and combat awards. The last few games have opened my eyes a little more though. Because, at the last few games, I have seen both kids and adults wearing unit patches, rank, tabs, and combat awards. I don’t know any of the people, and I doubt they knew me. But, I know what my veteran team mates and I have earned and not earned and I could just tell it kind of bug some of my guys and myself a little. I went to Gearbox yesterday and talked with Ron and Matt for awhile and they both brought up some great points. If you go to a game wearing what you earned, there are always going to be people there that don’t know who you are and what you have earned, or even if you were in the service. It just seems that when you wear rank, unit patches and awards from the service it just invite conflict and judgment from others. I got together with my teammates and over some beers we discussed how to set up our teams uniform style that are both neutral and still respectful. We decided that we are not going to wear our real military unit patches, tabs, or awards to events anymore. There is really no need and they just invite judgment. We are going to set up our teams uniforms like we are use to from our time in the service, but in our own unique way. And here is what we came up with…


For those people that do wear unit patches, tab, rank or awards try and see why it bugs veterans and current service people when they see you wearing it. Rank - I only came out of the Army as a CPL while I was in, I got in trouble a few times, but I’m still very proud to have been in the NCO corps. And to go to a game and see a 14 year old or 24 year old wearing CSM, SSG, or any rank they didn’t put the time and effort in to getting bugs the people that have. Tabs – If you wear an Airborne, Air Assault, Ranger….or any other tab do you really understand what the people that earn them went through? If you truly do, you should understand why some of us get upset when we see it on some ones shoulder that didn’t earn it. Same goes for combat awards like CABs or CIBs. Try and view it threw our eyes and hopefully you’re mature enough to realize why it annoys veterans when we see you wearing stuff you haven’t earned and people might have died receiving it.

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Re: Service uniform items/awards and airsoft...please comment
« Reply #1 on: December 11, 2010, 12:37:42 PM »
Agreed on all accounts.  Although, it's a dam shame that those who have rightly earned their patches are shied away from wearing them due to those who wear but have not earned them. To me military badges symbolize blood, sweat, tears, and honor.  

In the end, a patch is a patch and is not what makes a man but rather what he has accomplished to earn them.  Even so, it would still hurt me a bit if I saw someone wearing a patch they didn't work to earn.
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Re: Service uniform items/awards and airsoft...please comment
« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2010, 12:42:29 PM »
Great post, Dennis. It's nice to see people actually paying attention to their load outs/uniforms in a way that is both functional and still respectful to their military roots. I still think airsoft medals/awards/achievements would be a cool addition. lol
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« Reply #3 on: December 12, 2010, 01:06:30 PM »
Doesn't bother me if a pimply faced youth wears a wizard hat while LARPing any more than the same kid wears a CAB or airborne ribbon or anything else he deems to wear on his COSTUME while airsofting.

Airsofting, like it or not, is just LARPing with airsoft guns instead of swords and bags of beans. No harm in looking the part in your COSTUME.

Now, if someone goes around claiming they earned something when they did not is another story. I've seen airsofters get discounts at places/restaurants before, whom had never been in any service, and that pisses me off.


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« Reply #4 on: December 12, 2010, 02:48:15 PM »
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Doesn't bother me if a pimply faced youth wears a wizard hat while LARPing any more than the same kid wears a CAB or airborne ribbon or anything else he deems to wear on his COSTUME while airsofting.

Airsofting, like it or not, is just LARPing with airsoft guns instead of swords and bags of beans. No harm in looking the part in your COSTUME.

Now, if someone goes around claiming they earned something when they did not is another story. I've seen airsofters get discounts at places/restaurants before, whom had never been in any service, and that pisses me off.


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Agree. Though I have never actually been in the military, or won anything but a homemade patch to an AS game, this is pretty much the way I feel about the situation. Airsoft uses the Military as a basis to draw from, but it is not the military, and any costumes bearing any mark on them shouldn't be taken seriously.  If you are wearing your earned military patches, ask yourself why? Do they provide some sort of combat advantage? Do they increase rof? Or are you wearing them because they look cool, and allow you to show off and brag to all the little idiots.

I love it when I hear the "Awww now I cant wear my real patches because someone is wearing fake ones.......  :cry: " Really?

This sport is dress up and exercise, as well as a mental getaway for people from there normal lives, If he wants to dress up as a  "100th and whatever"st ariman, let him.

Take it as a compliment, he thinks you guys are amazing, and really wishes he/she were one of you.

The people who are playing and dressing up KNOW they are not in the military, and that there patches don't amount to SHIT, other than looking decent. They are just a neat addition to the games realism.

I think one of the better points of this discussion would be WWII reinactors, why dont they get jumped on for wearing 100% accurate to the patch uniform? Because everyone knows its just a game, and people understand that they are not infact a WWII paratrooper, same for civil war reinactors, all the badges they wear were earned by somebody at sometime in history. Just because they are from another time, its ok? No, people realize its a game.
And like it or not, all airsoft is, is the next modern step up to reinactors.

If the real life contractors sudden start claiming jeans and polo shirts, we as airsofters, are in serious trouble.

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"What are you supposed to be?" "Im soap from cod4? see my gear?""HAHAHHA FUKING COD FAGGOT!!HAHAHA"
 
What are you supposed to be?" "Im a _______ army _________? see my gear?" "OMG HOW DARE YOU WEAR ANYTHING THAT HAS ANY REAL MILITARY APPLICATION, YOU LITTLE FUKING PUKE"

What are you supposed to be?" "Just some guy in jeans/camo with a gun, no military or non military affiliations.""HAHAHA FUKING NOOOOOOB< HAHAHAHA"
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« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2010, 06:20:31 PM »
I don't look at airsoft as a large costume party but to each his own. I see airsoft as a training tool whether it be a group of people learning how to work together to accomplish something, a person who challenges themselves to lead a group for the very first time or an individual who just learns something new about themselves they didn't know the day before.  It's also a fun activity to participate with friends and a way to meet new people.

To play devils advocate here on the issue of insignia, would it be appropriate to suit up in swat gear sporting swat insignia and displaying a replica police badge? What would be the reason for doing so?  In regards to reenactments, I'm not reenacting anything. Uniforms are a part of the game, a way to ID your opponent just as in any other game. Patches are not required. The only reason people may choose to wear a patch is for team identity and many teams choose to create their own airsoft patch and not wear real military insignia.

To quote a respected friend from 2004 (may he rest in peace)
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You know what I love about this group (among other things)?  

No one wears military insignia.  Sure, we got the few that wear retro and IR squares, bloodtype, and allergy tabs, but no one runs around with "Delta Force" patches or Ranger tabs unless they earned it the right way.  Even our BTDTs don't go overboard.  I just can't stomach airsofters wearing stuff they didn't earn.

Thanks for being respectful, AA.[:)]
I hope AA continues on with the tradition.

Here are previous topics on patches.
1. viewtopic.php?f=6&t=14792&st=0&sk=t&sd=a&hilit=patches&start=0
2. viewtopic.php?t=6019&highlight=patches
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« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2010, 07:41:49 PM »
Probably being the resident new guy here in Arizona and the AA I am most likely going to bring some heat to this discussion but if you knew me I speak my mind...

Who the hell cares if some guy/girl wears a unit patch/award/rank that they didn't earn? Does it really bother you that much? Does it really disrespect your training/fallen friends/life style? I have not been "airsofting" very long but have noticed many of guy/girls wearing unit patches and ranks. You know what I think... "So what." If some guy/girl wants to wear the ranger tab/SF patch/specific unit patch go for it. I mean hell it's a patch! As long as he is not bad mouthing the military or the unit does it really matter... I mean if he/she is wearing that patch I would doubt they would do that.

For instance one time my buddy and I attended a airsoft game to further develop our medical skills. We show up and sure as shit there is a guy wearing a "Jolly," and PJ patch. My buddy and I throw on our gear and of course he notices us right away, comes over and says hey I am sorry I don't want to offend you guys, sorry for wearing your patches! We look at him and laugh and say hey man it's all good. We seriously shoot the shit for like and hour and half about Pararescue. All he wanted was information and stories! He thought we were the baddest mother "F"ers on the planet, I was like dude you give me three days and you give the AF 100% and you can be a J too. We are just medics with special abilities.

I mean hell if they aren't bad mouthing the patch/rank/unit etc. how bad can it really be? Any single person can do any job the military has to offer... Period! If someone begs to differ come talk to me and we will have some words because you are an idiot.

Now don't all hate me because I am a really cool guy LOL... I may have had one too many beers right now LOL    :lol:
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« Reply #7 on: December 29, 2010, 08:08:31 PM »
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Probably being the resident new guy here in Arizona and the AA I am most likely going to bring some heat to this discussion but if you knew me I speak my mind...

Who the hell cares if some guy/girl wears a unit patch/award/rank that they didn't earn? Does it really bother you that much? Does it really disrespect your training/fallen friends/life style? I have not been "airsofting" very long but have noticed many of guy/girls wearing unit patches and ranks. You know what I think... "So what." If some guy/girl wants to wear the ranger tab/SF patch/specific unit patch go for it. I mean hell it's a patch! As long as he is not bad mouthing the military or the unit does it really matter... I mean if he/she is wearing that patch I would doubt they would do that.

For instance one time my buddy and I attended a airsoft game to further develop our medical skills. We show up and sure as s*** there is a guy wearing a "Jolly," and PJ patch. My buddy and I throw on our gear and of course he notices us right away, comes over and says hey I am sorry I don't want to offend you guys, sorry for wearing your patches! We look at him and laugh and say hey man it's all good. We seriously shoot the s*** for like and hour and half about Pararescue. All he wanted was information and stories! He thought we were the baddest mother "F"ers on the planet, I was like dude you give me three days and you give the AF 100% and you can be a J too. We are just medics with special abilities.

I mean hell if they aren't bad mouthing the patch/rank/unit etc. how bad can it really be? Any single person can do any job the military has to offer... Period! If someone begs to differ come talk to me and we will have some words because you are an idiot.

Now don't all hate me because I am a really cool guy LOL... I may have had one too many beers right now LOL    :lol:

It is a great flattery for people to mimic us as being their heroes someone who they look up to and want to be like however i do not like or appreciate people wearing gear /patches and being ignorant about the symbolism or the pain/blood/sweat/ and tears that it took to perform the duty it takes to earn it.
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« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2010, 12:01:37 AM »
Doc Hollywood needs to log in for this.

Someday it will click and you guys will get it, until then, don't wear something you didn't earn. Even during LC type games when they are mocking specific units, people have the courtesy and respect to keep patches and insignia/tabs etc off their uniforms they didn't earn.

I have a few unit patches and flags and such that saw combat overseas from good friends..but would I ever wear them? No, because I know what they did to earn that and the sacrifices they made.
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« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2010, 12:45:57 AM »
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Any single person can do any job the military has to offer... Period! If someone begs to differ come talk to me and we will have some words because you are an idiot

If you really believe that, then not only are you the idiot, but your ignorant as well.
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« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2010, 09:45:24 AM »
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Any single person can do any job the military has to offer... Period! If someone begs to differ come talk to me and we will have some words because you are an idiot

If you really believe that, then not only are you the idiot, but your ignorant as well.

How can you say that I am ignorant? Because I stated anyone that has the drive/personality/and physical attributes can't make it in a certain field? I have seen the skinniest that can't do 35 sit-ups make it through Pararescue selection. I have seen someone who can't tread water for 2 minutes with their hands out of the water make it through phase 2 at dive school. Hell this kid in basic was probably the class idiot and became a linguist. Sure these are weak examples but examples none the less. Yeah I have seen many drop out and kicked out because they didn't have what it takes because something wasn't there. But to say that they could never make it is stupid. They weren't there mentally or physical in some way. You have both of those and you can make it through anything, and you defiantly don't need to be "Mr. Strong-man" and Mr. graduate summa cum laude.
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« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2010, 11:00:19 AM »
ahh forget I ever said anything arguments like this just drive me crazy... I am out!
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« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2010, 08:43:12 PM »
Good, you were embarrassing yourself kid.
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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2010, 01:41:47 PM »
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I have seen the skinniest that can't do 35 sit-ups make it through Para-rescue selection
Answer - If you can't pass an APFT you can not only, not go to selection, but you would be kicked out for not meeting the PT standards.

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I have seen someone who can't tread water for 2 minutes with their hands out of the water make it through phase 2 at dive school
Answer- Again if you can't pass the basic standards for entrance to the course, you will not graduate.

By your beliefs and examples you obviously have never been in the military and watch too much Military Channel. You can not or will not understand why it would bother someone who is in, or has been in, to see kids and/or “adults” wear awards, rank and/or combat decorations that they didn't earn.
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