Thoughts on Gas Powered Sniper Rifles

[KillerDragn]

I got a chance to handle Spazz's KJW M700, I was instantly impressed with its supposed stock performance, even with the age that it holds, Fiddling around sending .25's about before I left the Prescott game, I'm instantly enthused towards the Gas Snipers now that i've had a chance to handle one.

Most attractive being the smooth bolt pull and satisfying noise of the action you can only find in a Real Bolt action rifle, quiet shots and surprising accuracy, aswell as the overall feel and build quality of the rifle, I didn't expect something like that out of a $200 rifle. The one thing that always turned me away from pursuing a Forward Recon Role is the annoying bolt pulls on spring sniper rifles.

I've done some research on some gas sniper rifles, mainly the KJW M700 Tanaka Clone, and the Tanaka version itself, and was wondering if there were any other Gas Snipers I should look into and consider, obviously, $500 on the Tanaka Version is a hefty penny, but the $200 KJW clone had surprising results. I dont care too much about the whole Pre-Ban and Post-Ban. If I got a Tanaka M700, it would be the EXPORT version anyway.

This is what i've gathered from snooping around other forums and reading reviews.

$200 KJW M700
'Alright' Out of box accuracy
Good Build
Good Gas Efficiency and OOTB FPS
Affordable
Available in Quick Takedown and Police Version
Readily purchasable/In stock online
Can be upgraded to match Tanaka Stock Performance.

$500 Tanaka M700
Amazing out of box accuracy
Great build quality
Good Gas Efficiency and OOTB FPS (PCS Equipped Bolt = Change FPS easily)
Expensive
Rare/Hard to find in stock
Stock performance still beats upgraded performance of a KJW
$75 Mags, Ouch.

The big kicker for me, making me lean towards going for the Tanaka, Is that the KJW (Supposedly, from what i've read), Will never be able to out-perform the Tanaka, even in a fully upgraded state, will be able to out-perform a STOCK Tanaka M700, and that Tanaka, can be upgraded itself.

Obviously the KJW M700 is a clone of the Tanaka version, and it would only to make sense to go with the Original Anyway and not a clone, I was wondering if anyone here has had experiences with these rifles and can vouch or provide personal insight into either, aswell as recommendations for other rifles.

[Red Devil]

Talk to slinkey he has one that sings. I saw his in action at fightertown one night.

[SLINKEY]

If you want one that performs, consistantly Look at none other than the Tanaka. Iv owned most of the clones and honestly to get one of them shooting like the tanaka, your going to spend the same ammount of money as the tanaka costs.

toss in a 8 doller striker spring and theres your fps upgrade. But over time ull get sick of the inefficiency's of gas and want a more consistent rifle.

 the PSI in the magazine lowers every shot, so only the first shot will be what the gun should be performing at 100%

the only way to get them as efficient as a spring sniper rifle is a High pressure air setup simular to a polar star. But even then the tanaka gas sniper design has a massive flaw with the gas route from the magazine to the barrel. no matter what you do its a horrible seal.

if you go HPA, the best route is a Gas bolt, sniper rifle and getting it tapped and rigged to HPA. because the gas is released directly into the barrel. Not into the bolt and then into the barrel like the tanaka, kjw or G&G


the statement saying the kjw cannot out perform the tanaka is utter Bs though, i hooked mine up with a r hop and was able to hit things out at 150 yards no problem, i just could see the danm bb's anymore

[SLINKEY]

Yeah the bolts are different but King arms makes a Nozzle lengthing kit. to solve the problem

the only ithing i have seen is taking the aics and dropping it into a different stock to get rid of the L96 type stock.

and that is true with being able to crank the psi, but its all about being trusted using a gun like that, just like a polar star.

the tanaka magazine maxes at about 780 fps though, the vavle actually get forced closed by pressures over like 150 psi, so the fps actually lowers lmao

[SLINKEY]

I can get you the Kjw or tanaka mags for 35 bucks, The problem lays with the seal between bolt and magazine, Iv upgraded the bolt seal, and the gas route spring, still sucked. Made my own route spring still sucked, Formed a new seal for the bolt that actually sealed good but it would tear after like 30 rounds or so. Iv even soaked the seal in chemicals to bloat the hell out of it, and still a bad seal. Even a brand new Gun has the same issue.

im sure the tanaka shares this same flaw
with the r hop in mine it easly reached 300 feet, but the hopup setup forces the front of the r hop down causing jams, I need to machine the hopup 1mm deeper to fix that.

And the idea that the tanaka will be better is Odd to me. because the KJW is identical, other than the hopup. Kjw went ahead and used a hopup just like the 60 doller upgrade one that uses vsr-10 barrels. So im my mind (forgive me if this may seem retarded) but the kjw to be a better design because of the hopup taking vsr barrels.

and yes the New pcs bolt has a shorter nozzle because its for the G&G m24. which uses a shorter nozzle, so the KA nozzle extension will fix that.

i figured the best way for hpa on the mag would be to use a 90* elbow  then a quick change adapter and if you hpa one mag you could just put bbs in the bolt. That what i do when i run out lol i just put a few bbs next to me and load them as i shoot

[SLINKEY]

lmfao thats g&g for you. Kjw doesnt make a mag jsut just make the 11 rounders.

I highly reccomend you get the KJW police. dont waiste you time with the take down.

to be honest i replaced the barrel on my old one i traded for my new one. the stock barrel will perform just as good, If not better than a tight bore.

its a 6.10 that is in the kjw's and honestly with the r-hop it was just as accurate, and had more range than the 6.01 DBC i had in my old one.
so really id just recommend testing a few types of buckings with the stock barrel. and if all el's fails Get a Madbull psg1 barrel if you cant get that setup properly.

spazz can do a r-hop mod similar to an r-hop so see if he can hook you up with that. He should be able to get it. But if he cant let me know ill hook you up with one for it.

Iv also heard of the bell, and honestly if you can find one Id almost recommend that over the Kjw because there probably made of the same materials, and probably extremely close in quality


out of the box performance the tanaka will win every time, But i have seen Right hook m700's and KJW m700 Hpa's side by side shooting And the kjw can shoot just as good as the Best HPA sniper on the market (highly tuned tanaka aics Made by RIght hook company)  the kjw's just need a hell of alot more work.

[SLINKEY]

the take down doesnt leak like you would think, Its actually easier to work on.
the problem lies where the two parts join together, over time it will wobble.

[alteclansig]

IMO the tanaka l96 is a epic gas rifle but so are most of tanakas guns