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« Reply #15 on: April 05, 2007, 07:39:36 PM »
Its np I bought them for my TM P90. Since I don't upgrade I have to use the best BBs.
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« Reply #16 on: April 05, 2007, 08:51:16 PM »
I have some Maurzen Super Grand Master .29 BBs I can add myself. I should get that done tonight. For measurement I will be using a Mitutoyo 0-1" Digital Micrometer for measurements down to .00005" and 0.001mm.
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« Reply #17 on: April 06, 2007, 02:37:49 AM »
SGM .29g measured in mm with Mitutoyo 0-1" Digital Micrometer 0.001m.

BB 1) a) 5.932mm  b) 5.933mm  c) 5.933mm
BB 2) a) 5.928mm  b) 5.936mm  c) 5.929mm
BB 3) a) 5.929mm  b) 5.925mm  c) 5.926mm
BB 4) a) 5.932mm  b) 5.931mm  c) 5.931mm
BB 5) a) 5.933mm  b) 5.935mm  c) 5.941mm

Avg. rounded to X.XXXX
BB 1) 5.9326mm
BB 2) 5.9310mm
BB 3) 5.9266mm
BB 4) 5.9313mm
BB 5) 5.9363mm

Total Avg rounded to X.XXXX  =  5.9316mm

Hope this helps.
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« Reply #18 on: April 06, 2007, 09:12:12 AM »
Nice.  Well, that saves bringing the SGM's anyways.
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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2007, 01:43:57 AM »
Nice work, Matt!
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« Reply #20 on: April 09, 2007, 09:11:34 AM »
Sadly, I didn't make it down to JT this weekend.  I will try to do it this week.
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« Reply #21 on: April 21, 2007, 04:14:22 PM »
TSD Tactical Black 0.25g added in original post.
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« Reply #22 on: January 06, 2008, 05:35:44 PM »
About how many fps will gun that shoots 350fps(.2g) shoot a .25g
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« Reply #23 on: January 06, 2008, 05:47:19 PM »
Here is a tool to use, but there are other factors that come into play.  This should give you a good estimate though.

http://www.arniesairsoft.co.uk/articles ... s_calc.htm
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Re: BB Measurements
« Reply #24 on: December 08, 2008, 06:30:45 AM »
that site is very helpful thx for the link, any plans to test some AE or Echo 1's?
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Re: BB Measurements
« Reply #25 on: December 08, 2008, 10:10:56 AM »
Amigo, in a month the last post would be a year old, celebrating the "big 1" so to speak. Now,I personally enjoy the "new post search" so, could we please check the dates, for future reference? Thanks
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Re: BB Measurements
« Reply #26 on: December 08, 2008, 10:45:35 AM »
Quote from: "_Shakes_"
that site is very helpful thx for the link, any plans to test some AE or Echo 1's?

I haven't tested anything new in quite some time.  Perhaps I will in the near future.
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Re: BB Measurements
« Reply #27 on: December 08, 2008, 10:59:52 AM »
sry bout the necro, misread the post date
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Re: BB Measurements
« Reply #28 on: January 30, 2010, 07:54:16 PM »
Raith, Going to drop some BB's in the mail tomorrow for ya. SGM. 29, goldenball .30, goldenball .36, goldenball .43

Can we sticky this to the thread as well?
http://www.azcustomworks.com/downloads/airsoftcalc.exe
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Re: BB Measurements
« Reply #29 on: April 05, 2010, 05:23:25 AM »
Some info to add... I concur with the previous post about the SGM .29 measurements. My measurements were almost spot on with what was found. Overall, they are the best bb.


Here is a little mini addition to this..

Hardness -

This is more important than you would think, for several reasons. First of all, a softer BB is going to tend to deform more easily with natural elements quicker than one that is harder. Second, when forced around by your loaders and tension from springs, nozzles etc, they tend to nick and chip very easily. One good example of this are madbull BB's. I gave up on them completely because of how soft they are. The problem is that  everything they come in contact with(speed loaders, magazine plastic, plastic and metal air nozzles) are all much harder than the material its self. The other issue with these is their construction, but we will address that in another section.

The easiest way to test hardness is a scratch test. By holding the BB with Teflon wrapped needle nose, and using a pinching dike, i measured how much material scratched off, and how easily. It's not a truly scientific way to do it, but the results were pretty clear cut and obvious.

The following are in order from hardest to softest.

1. Bioval .27(clear) BBBMAX
2. Maruzen SGM .29(white)
3. Bioval .30(white)
4.Goldenball .30(white), Goldenball .30(black)
5. Madbull .30(white)
6. Madbull .36(green)
7. Madbull .43(tan)

I really hate to even list the madbull's with the rest of those because they are in a whole other, crappy league. The Bioval clears are made of a resin that makes them impervious to deflection of energy, instead they just shatter if anything.

Maruzen SGM .29's and the Goldenball .30 series are VERY VERY similar in size, weight(.3g of difference on avg), and composition.

The madbull .30, .36, and .43 are about the same hardness, which is very very soft.

Composition / air bubbles

I took a batch of 10 bb's from every one listed above and attempted to cut or break them in half. Here are the results.

Bioval .27 Clears cannot be cut, they shatter, like glass. They have zero air bubbles.

Maruzen SGM's break clean in half every time, and have zero air bubbles as well as a solid composition.

Bioval .30's are basically identical to the SGM's and contain zero air bubbles.

Goldenball .30's follow with just a slightly less dense composition than the SGM and Bioval's, but with no air bubbles present.

Madbull .30, .36 and .43 all contain a center air bubble and sometimes smaller additional ones. They are so soft that when 'breaking' them, they just smash instead.


You can see in the photos below the madbull .43(tan), a goldenball .30 (black), a bioval .30(white, right), and a Maruzen SGM .29(white, left)





I have noticed a lot of people are finding greater success in AEG's and GBBR's by switching to a BB in the .27 to .30 range. As long as you are shooting 380 to 400 I think this will tighten up those groupings a bit more at long ranges. .20's and .25 are just too light.
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