ok dumbass, I was referring to you mentioning the mp5. think about it. 1 quick squeeze in full auto equals about 3rds. 1 squeeze of your pistol equals 1rd. duh.
man, are you really that thick?
anger management issues? Try calming down and having a reasonable discussion as an adult and not be so insulting.
a quote from you from the original post I was replying to.
Now to the .357 myth9mm myth. Look at your loading data, they are basically the same; that is, they both are NOT good tactical cartridges.
Again, if the 9mm is not a good tactical round, then why is it the ONLY round offered in the MP5, the most POPULAR SMG IN THE WORLD? (An MP5 that shoots anything besides a 9mm was a special order, the 5 in MP5 designates the 9mm cartridge.) The 9mm is a pistol round, therefore it is ONLY for close-in combat. If it is not a good round, then why is a gun chambered in it the most popular? Because you can shoot it 3 times? Is that the answer you are going with?
Now for an honest question of yours about why the 9mm is popular. Ok ready for it? Hear it comes:
Because it is MUCH cheaper to produce the pistol and the ammunition! The same answer goes for smg's. The .45 uses almost twice the metal in production of the ammunition.
Of course, if your weapon requires 3 rounds to reduce the assailant to a nonthreatening state, then it really isn't cheaper.
I highly doubt 45 is 3 times the price of 9mm
Heres a quote from a good website.
I’ve never had to shoot a live assailant...
wow, a quote from an anonymous website giving second hand information about a shooting. If it is on the interweb, it must be true! I don't know the experience of the person writing the story, nor the experience of the person involved in the shooting of whom he is talking about. Using this as a creditable source is laughable.
My source for saying the 9mm cartridge is a good round is quoting Dick Couch, former Naval Officer, SEAL Team 1 Platoon commander in Vietnam, who is quoting a SQT Handgun instructor of the rank Petty Officer (name withheld from book due to security reasons), a 14 year Navy veteran with 4 Platoon deployments with both SEAL Team 3 and SEAL Team 5. A SIG 226 shooting a 9mm round is the Petty Officers choice of a secondary weapon.
To me, looking at their credentials, seems that both of these guys have been there, done that.
If a 9mm handgun is good enough for the petty officer, then it sure as heck is good enough for me.
Now all the practice in the world will not prepare you for the real life situation you hopefully never have to face, but I would prefer only having to hit the sob once in the chest vs. multiple times.
I agree, you can't count on hitting someone 3 times in the chest. Heck, the FBI states they only hit the subject 20-30% of the time.
You know, my position in this whole exchange is basically saying that 9mm is an adequate round for a concealed weapon. Does the 45 do it better? Yes it does. And according to the FBI who did extensive testing, the 10mm does it better still.
So really, 9mm < 45 caliber < 10mm
However, all are good carry rounds.