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Offline ValhallenAngel

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Can someone identify this rifle?
« on: February 09, 2006, 08:34:04 PM »
I have this rifle that was brought home from WWII by a relative. I have no clue what it is, I was told it was Japanese (but there's numbers on the stock). Does anyone have a clue as to what it is?

Top rifle obviously....


Close up of stock. It was a dark stain, but my father stripped it down when he was young...


Upper view of bolt


I was thinking about restoring it.
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« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2006, 08:35:42 PM »
Arisaka Type 38
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« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2006, 08:39:59 PM »
"The  Japanese Arisaka Type 99 Rifle, manufactured 1939 to 1945 in  the Tokyo and Nagoya Arsenals, Japan. It was the replacement of the Type 38 rifle and was the primary
 Japanese battle rifle until their surrender to Allied forces in 1945.  The Type 99 is a variation of the Mauser design and early production models have probably one of the
 strongest receiver/action of any military bolt action rifles."

Quote from www.surplusrifle.com
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« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2006, 08:47:02 PM »
Eric, I believe it's the 38 because of the overall longer length. I might be wrong. If I am, I apologize.
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« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2006, 08:48:15 PM »
I did notice the Mauser design, but looks like Shado ID'd it already.  

I would have told you almost the same thing... but without the history info, like Shado gave... he's obviously more familiar with it than i am.
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« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2006, 08:52:17 PM »
It's roughly 50 inches in length, or 1270mm.
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« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2006, 08:53:01 PM »
I dont know all that much about them.  I just researched it.  I can't tell the lenth from the picture, but here are the spec's for both:

 Specifications for the  Arisaka Type 99 Long Rifle
Barrel Length: 31.4 in
Overall Length:  50 in
Weight:  9.1 lbs
Rifling:
Action: Bolt Action
Caliber: 7.7x58mm Japanese Arisaka
Magazine Type:
Capacity: 5 rds



  Specifications for the  Arisaka Type 38 Rifle
Barrel Length:  31.25 in
Overall Length:  50.25 in
Weight:  9.4 lbs
Rifling: 4 or 6 grooves RH
Action: Bolt Action
Caliber: 6.5 x 50 mm Japanese Arisaka
Magazine Type: Box Magazine
Capacity: 5 rd staggered box

Maybe ValhallenAngel could compare.
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« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2006, 08:56:17 PM »
It's the 38, look at the minor body differences. Just doesn't have the barrel rod. I don't see any markings in Japanese though.....
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« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2006, 09:03:07 PM »
I was going to say look for this image:



IF you see this the rifle could have been worth alot of money.
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« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2006, 09:07:39 PM »
Quote from: "Vince"
Eric, I believe it's the 38 because of the overall longer length. I might be wrong. If I am, I apologize.

Quote from: "SilentDragon"
I did notice the Mauser design, but looks like Shado ID'd it already.  

I would have told you almost the same thing... but without the history info, like Shado gave... he's obviously more familiar with it than i am.


I hope I didn’t mislead anyone about my knowledge.  The gun looked really cool so I started looking online for information.  The History was not my info, which is why
 I gave the quote source.
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« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2006, 09:15:47 PM »
If you look at the top of the bolt, you can clearly see some japanese characters.

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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2006, 09:23:06 PM »
Ok so after looking closely at it for the first time ever I'm sure I found some, never really looked before but:




A close up of the rusty bolt...


And the symbols on the top. Still don't know what these mean.



Then

Thats the symbol after the serial number. Meaning Koishikawa or Kokura Arsenal, from 1870-1945. I believe the first one because of the serial number.

Koishikawa switched from "B" to "S" barrel proof mark in the late 800,000 serial number range. It has an "S".
and
Carbines with a shallow "00" or "000" stamped in front of the serial number have been removed from service use.

Serial Number
00963813
First two zeros, are smaller.

http://www.radix.net/~bbrown/japanese_markings.html
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« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2006, 10:49:38 PM »
Pretty sure that is a Type 99. Type 38's were more rare in WWII AFAIK.
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« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2006, 10:55:46 PM »
Ah...fuck me. Delete this.
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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2006, 11:09:12 PM »
Oh, haha, just noticed your quote source Shado.  Sorry bout that.  

Well, it is a nice rifle.  It's up to you if you want to restore it.  I personally like originality.  Then again, restoration would really make it look nice.  Kinda like, who doesn't like to see classic cars restored?  I have to ask, have you shot it yet?  :D
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