[taz]

SOUNDS LIKE IT'S GOING TO BE A BLAST,IT WOULD BE NICE TO SEE ALL ARIZONA AIRSOFTERS AT THE EVENT TO SHOW UNITY OF AIRSOFT ORGANIZATIONS IN ARIZONA.I'LL BE THERE FOR SURE.


TAZ (SCOTT)
AIRSOFT ADDICTS[8D]

[KamikazeSM]

Sounds good.  However, I didn't see all that much play time in the schedule of events.  3 days is an awful long time to only get what looked like 4 solid hours of real (non-training) airsofting.  Is this open to change at all?  I would rather see a little more combat, considering I get about 4-6 hours for 1 day games that are free.  I am interested in the training, but the real fun is the unscripted action.

[Airsofter1]

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Tell that to all of us that went to Crimson Dunes...

[Legs]

But at least at CD you tried to get in the action, Mikey.  You played in every game.  Proud of you, lad!
Was very boring, though, sitting there in the tent...with nothing but my special beads from Turd to comfort me...

[Wolf]

So are there any age limits for this? I sure hope not! How many people are expected to show up for the September event? (or what is the maximum) Like the other guys are saying, is this just going to be training, or are we going to play some scenerios?

[KenCasper]

For those of you that have attended the US Airsoft one day training events you will understand what I am about to say.

The Training will be mixed with short games to support the training. The 4-6 hours you see on the scedule is the LARGE game. Where you use everything you have just learned and evaluate your learning experiance.

For the Younger Persons, the age limit is 14 years of age. See the ASOC website for the full requirements. ASOC

Or more specificly see the ASOC Manual ASOC MANUAL

Hope this helps answer some questions

[Cyphen]

Well, that's good, Wolf and I both turn 14 early March [].

[KamikazeSM]

I have been to a training event before (albeit the first one, so let me know if it's changed) and I remember that although it was very informative and the last mission was a lot of fun, it was pretty slow getting started with loads of down time.  If there are many opportunities to practice the goal of the courses, then that is fun stuff, but I just remember waiting for extended periods of time while other groups would go through and complete their task, which was a variable amount of time depending on the group's skill.  Another thing I was wondering about is turnout.  $50 is a huge sum of cash compared to the original $3 or $5 that was originally proposed for the weekend training missions on the forums, so will there be enough people there to make it worthwhile?  Don't get me wrong, I do want to go, but the sudden price increase over what you had previously posted makes me stop and think... I could always put the money into gear and play for free elsewhere, so basically what I'm asking is why should I spend my 50 bones on this course?  I don't want to sound combative, I just want you to pitch to me your event and why it's the next best thing since sliced bread.

[stoneaglewolf]

I can appreciate your question.

The 50 dollars is going to not only the event but to event insurance, future purchase and development of land, and the ability to bring large events to Arizona.

The orginal 5.00 idea was just for Mike and I work out a scenario. But our meetings have evolved this game into a national event with developed land, with sponsors, patches, awards, and some training.

There are several surprises that are not on the schedule, but that is all I can say.

We want everyone to feel safe and help promote the development of teams in AZ. With this we have put together scenarios and training courses that will help you guys enjoy the game more. The missions that we have put together are tough and will require teamwork to be successful.

The training is really more like small games where we help you out with your techniques.  Not like the events we put on lest year.

I don't know if this answers your questions, or if it will be better than sliced bread, but I can tell you that I will do everything possible to make this an excellent event.

Please do not hesitate to post or call me on my cell if you have any questions, comments, ideas, or answers.

Mark Anderson
602.435.7508

[KamikazeSM]

That's what I was hoping for... I'll most likely be there. I must say, I am very excited about the direction you guys are heading in!  The event sounds great, I was just a little hesitant about the dough at first.  Is there going to be any kind of ongoing storyline or indepth plot introduced/explored during these missions or will they be more detached missions, possibly in the same "theater"?  And what are your rules about hi-caps/standards/c-mags?  I wanna know so I can start stocking up (which I should probably do anyway...)  In any case, it sounds like fun.

[Airsofter1]

There will be more than just "4-6 hours" of playing.  The reason (that I saw anyway) for all the down time with first training game that US Airsoft did is because it was the first one and only two people were really keeping things going.  They were learning just as much as we were, just from opposite sides of spectrum - playing the game/running the game.

This event is going to be much different than one of the regular US Airsoft training days.  The idea is that it will be a "big game" and this is what we have planned for.  The schedule listed in the handbook is something that we wanted to give players a general idea of what to expect.  I am letting the cat out of the bag by saying this but there will be plenty of surprises thrown into that scheduled mix of events.  Here is a simplified version of the ASOC Manuals schedule:  Saturday morning - Training, the rest of the time GAME TIME!  This includes playing into the evening all the way till Sunday afternoon as well... with a few breaks to eat/sleep of course.  Completing missions, overcoming obstacles, and working together as a team are the focus.  Getting the "kill" is secondary, unless its the mission!.  We definitely plan to make it an exciting time for all, after all the best advertising is by word of mouth!  

Its easy to market a big game, charge $75-100 to play, then have 2-4 games that last about 2-3 hours each chasing around a truck moving at walking speed down a road.  This is relatively easy when the only "staff" (more like volunteers really) you have just drives the truck around all day and the event organizer tries to do everything else (which is not much) himself including play in the game.  Or maybe they just try to have 100+ players battle over a single stationary objective (capture the flag anyone?) for a couple of hours.  I think $50 will be quite a bargain compared to what other big airsoft games have offered.  We have more than just one person running this game.  A group of 11 dedicated airsofters with a strong love of the sport will not let it be anything less than great.

The hope and dream is to have a "National Airsoft Course" (big game) model that others will want to imitate.

[Paco]

Insurance?  Who'd you get insurance through?  I have spoken to no less than half a dozen companies who write policies for airsoft and paintball and not one would even consider insuring airsoft unless, #1 - the games were held in a 'controlled' and 'indoor' location, #2, EVERYONE had to wear full paintball masks, #3, 21 or older only (one would write a policy with 18+), and even then following all their stipulations, the policy was insanely expensive.
Just curious as to who you are getting insurance through...

[Raven1]

Paco there has been a lot of research and effort going into this event and the business aspect of it, WE as in the core group have been working on this on a daily basis.  So as for me personally I can assure you everything is being done legally and all technicalities are being planned for and ultimately dealt with!  Once the company is set and fully operational information will be made public for all to see.  Which includes Company Mission Statement, Goals, Business Road Map and Company Business Model, so rest assured one of the products you will immediately see is the event.  But USAirsoft does have more than just Big Game Events to offer.  For those of you have been to the most recent training events and have experienced the increased intensity of the fun (hostage taking anyone) and game play!  Hug you AEG's tight and dream of perfect team work execution with surgical precision boys because this thing is just getting started!

[Paco]

Whoa! Raven1, not sure what you're referring to as you mentioned that "everything is being done legally"...  I made no such references, questions or anything with regards to the legality of anything.  My question had to do with acquiring insurance, as Mark stated that you guys did have it.  Paintball/airsoft insurance has NOTHING AT ALL to do with legalities!  You can have all the airsoft or paintball games you want without any insurance...  the liability of someone getting hurt simply falls on the shoulders of the organizer(s) is all - no legal questions to it...  so I don't know where you came up with that one.

Anyway, to rephrase it, my question was simply, "What company did you purchase airsoft insurance through?" as I am curious how you were able to get it.

[Raven1]

It was only a reference to insuring the USAirsoft the organization as it pertains to putting on training events!  Mark has the specifics as I do not so I defer your question to him,,,