20 gauge birdshot vs. buckshot

[JLee]

I knew it was only a matter of time until xaviermace showed up. Hey, I've got an idea, **** off maybe? Jesus I'm really gettin sick of you.

Your balls are bigger than your brain, my friend. You're 17 years old and your knowledge is not nearly as vast as you think it is.  Do you want advice or don't you?  Take it from someone ten years your senior - almost half of that with a badge - respect will get you a long way in life.

If you want to listen to irishmaster and his youtube videos, feel free.  As a law enforcement officer, I will use what I know will work the best and I recommend the same.  With our patrol shotguns, guess what we were issued?  Hint: not birdshot.

irishmaster - birdshot will create a nasty wound. I'm not disagreeing with you there.  However, it lacks the reliable penetration needed to provide a good stopping shot.  Do you carry a .22 handgun because it'll probably do the job?

[kman94]

I knew it was only a matter of time until xaviermace showed up. Hey, I've got an idea, **** off maybe? Jesus I'm really gettin sick of you.

Nobody is making you stay.  Maybe if your head wasn't so far up your ass, you'd realize that the world doesn't revolve around you and you aren't required to post in threads you don't know anything about.

All hail our great and powerful leader, xaviermace! We are not worthy! We are not worthy! Please shed some of your humble opinion about the topic at hand, as I would value your opinion above all others, as stated by the first law of xaviermace.

[kman94]

I knew it was only a matter of time until xaviermace showed up. Hey, I've got an idea, **** off maybe? Jesus I'm really gettin sick of you.

Your balls are bigger than your brain, my friend. You're 17 years old and your knowledge is not nearly as vast as you think it is.  Do you want advice or don't you?  Take it from someone ten years your senior - almost half of that with a badge - respect will get you a long way in life.

If you want to listen to irishmaster and his youtube videos, feel free.  As a law enforcement officer, I will use what I know will work the best and I recommend the same.  With our patrol shotguns, guess what we were issued?  Hint: not birdshot.

irishmaster - birdshot will create a nasty wound. I'm not disagreeing with you there.  However, it lacks the reliable penetration needed to provide a good stopping shot.  Do you carry a .22 handgun because it'll probably do the job?

Respect must be earned, and no matter what, I go into meeting new people with a certain level of respect. Obviously there a reason I don't respect xaviermace, and that may be due to the fact that he is a total butthole.

[XavierMace]

Respect must be earned, and no matter what, I go into meeting new people with a certain level of respect. Obviously there a reason I don't respect xaviermace, and that may be due to the fact that he is a total butthole.

Just like the reason I don't respect you is you are yet another little prick who seems to think they are somehow entitled to constantly spew bullshit from their mouth without someone telling them where to shove it.  I also have to ask if you managed to keep a straight face when you said you go into meeting new people with a certain level of respect because I could certainly quote countless posts of yours that say otherwise.  This includes your earlier posts in this thread.

[kman94]

Respect must be earned, and no matter what, I go into meeting new people with a certain level of respect. Obviously there a reason I don't respect xaviermace, and that may be due to the fact that he is a total butthole.

Just like the reason I don't respect you is you are yet another little prick who seems to think they are somehow entitled to constantly spew bullshit from their mouth without someone telling them where to shove it.  I also have to ask if you managed to keep a straight face when you said you go into meeting new people with a certain level of respect because I could certainly quote countless posts of yours that say otherwise.  This includes your earlier posts in this thread.

Hmm, I believe that your the only person that I truly hate on here. When does this bullshit spew from my mouth? I don't recall this.
Don't hate me because I'm beautiful.

[JLee]

I knew it was only a matter of time until xaviermace showed up. Hey, I've got an idea, **** off maybe? Jesus I'm really gettin sick of you.

Your balls are bigger than your brain, my friend. You're 17 years old and your knowledge is not nearly as vast as you think it is.  Do you want advice or don't you?  Take it from someone ten years your senior - almost half of that with a badge - respect will get you a long way in life.

If you want to listen to irishmaster and his youtube videos, feel free.  As a law enforcement officer, I will use what I know will work the best and I recommend the same.  With our patrol shotguns, guess what we were issued?  Hint: not birdshot.

irishmaster - birdshot will create a nasty wound. I'm not disagreeing with you there.  However, it lacks the reliable penetration needed to provide a good stopping shot.  Do you carry a .22 handgun because it'll probably do the job?

Respect must be earned, and no matter what, I go into meeting new people with a certain level of respect. Obviously there a reason I don't respect xaviermace, and that may be due to the fact that he is a total butthole.

I'll take that as 'no thanks, I don't need advice.'

Good luck.

[kman94]

I knew it was only a matter of time until xaviermace showed up. Hey, I've got an idea, **** off maybe? Jesus I'm really gettin sick of you.

Your balls are bigger than your brain, my friend. You're 17 years old and your knowledge is not nearly as vast as you think it is.  Do you want advice or don't you?  Take it from someone ten years your senior - almost half of that with a badge - respect will get you a long way in life.

If you want to listen to irishmaster and his youtube videos, feel free.  As a law enforcement officer, I will use what I know will work the best and I recommend the same.  With our patrol shotguns, guess what we were issued?  Hint: not birdshot.

irishmaster - birdshot will create a nasty wound. I'm not disagreeing with you there.  However, it lacks the reliable penetration needed to provide a good stopping shot.  Do you carry a .22 handgun because it'll probably do the job?

Respect must be earned, and no matter what, I go into meeting new people with a certain level of respect. Obviously there a reason I don't respect xaviermace, and that may be due to the fact that he is a total butthole.

I'll take that as 'no thanks, I don't need advice.'

Good luck.

Advice is exactly what I was seeking, and comming from someone with as much experience as yourself, would be welcomed. I live in a two story house, with many dogs and people living in it. The only problem I have with buckshot is the resulting penetration that could possibly hurt someone besides who the shot is intended for.

[Raith]

Advice is exactly what I was seeking, and comming from someone with as much experience as yourself, would be welcomed. I live in a two story house, with many dogs and people living in it. The only problem I have with buckshot is the resulting penetration that could possibly hurt someone besides who the shot is intended for.

This is an issue with any firearm and to attempt to deal with it as an equipment issue rather than a training issue is folly.

[JLee]

Advice is exactly what I was seeking, and comming from someone with as much experience as yourself, would be welcomed. I live in a two story house, with many dogs and people living in it. The only problem I have with buckshot is the resulting penetration that could possibly hurt someone besides who the shot is intended for.

This is an issue with any firearm and to attempt to deal with it as an equipment issue rather than a training issue is folly.

This man speaks truth.

[irishmaster]

Raith, i agree.  Most people should be trained, with any firearm, they own or intened to use.  And Traing should be a ongoing thing.  But the truth is, it is only a small amount of people who will take the next step(training).  So thats why, i say to use bird shot #9.  They will be less likely to kill there family when they panic and start shooting.

Some dumb ass with a 12 guage shot gun loaded with 00buck, and slugs.  has a real good chance of kill the neighbors, and there family.  As panic and adrenaline sets in.  The bloob pounding in there ears, and they cant hear, Dont shoot Daddy!!

Personally, I use a Mossberg 500a, Pump, with the first round being #4, then the rest 00 Buck.

[DMAN007]

Advice is exactly what I was seeking, and comming from someone with as much experience as yourself, would be welcomed. I live in a two story house, with many dogs and people living in it. The only problem I have with buckshot is the resulting penetration that could possibly hurt someone besides who the shot is intended for.

There is something called a baseball bat. Works good in most situations and causes little to no collateral damage.

[irishmaster]

Just remember, when you crack that perps knee, or skull.  You will be sued!!!!  And if he wasnt armed, your going to jail for assualt.

[kman94]

Just remember, when you crack that perps knee, or skull.  You will be sued!!!!  And if he wasnt armed, your going to jail for assualt.

Hey, did any of you guys hear about the man who broke into a storage facilitly, accidently locked himself in, and survived for like 2 weeks on dog food and soda? He sued the owner of the storage pod and won. Of course, this sorta sounds like a load of bullshit. But still. How's everyones Sunday night goin?

[kman94]

Respect must be earned, and no matter what, I go into meeting new people with a certain level of respect. Obviously there a reason I don't respect xaviermace, and that may be due to the fact that he is a total butthole.

Just like the reason I don't respect you is you are yet another little prick who seems to think they are somehow entitled to constantly spew bullshit from their mouth without someone telling them where to shove it.  I also have to ask if you managed to keep a straight face when you said you go into meeting new people with a certain level of respect because I could certainly quote countless posts of yours that say otherwise.  This includes your earlier posts in this thread.

Oh, and happy birthday.

[GhostSOCOMM4]

kman94, XavierMace;

Come on guys just stop bickering. It seems like you guys turn every topic that you post on into a fight, or getting way of topic on a simple topic for an opinion.  If you guys want to go back and forth at each other, just do it over PMing. Keep everyone else out of it.

Now can we please stay on topic...