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Re: Printed AR-15 Documentary
« Reply #1 on: March 27, 2013, 03:45:30 AM »
This is a bad idea on so many levels.. Until the next World War or government takeover.  Not that I'm saying I wouldn't print one, I totally would.  But Cody really needs to think about who he is giving access to the blueprints, not just leaving them all over the internet.

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Re: Printed AR-15 Documentary
« Reply #2 on: March 27, 2013, 09:02:00 AM »
This is a bad idea on so many levels.. Until the next World War or government takeover.  Not that I'm saying I wouldn't print one, I totally would.  But Cody really needs to think about who he is giving access to the blueprints, not just leaving them all over the internet.

I thought this was America?
Haha but seriously. It's not like criminals will have access to a multi-thousand dollar 3-d printer.... Plus you gotta download the computer models now because if SHTF you think the internet will stay up for long?
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Re: Printed AR-15 Documentary
« Reply #3 on: March 27, 2013, 10:35:27 AM »
FT, in a real SHTF scenario, how long do you think the power grid will be up? Are you really gonna waste precious generator fuel or limited solar amperage on a power hog like a 3-D printer and the computers it takes to run it?

I thought I would watch the whole thing and reserve judgement until the end. I really didn't need to. In the first few minutes of Cody being interviewed, you could tell he was a spoiled 20 something craving attention. He wants badly to think that he's the lone person, standing up to this giant monolith of the NWO (or whatever humongous government force you want to choose). He's an Occupy protester who thinks he's fighting disarmament instead of corporate greed (maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan). Notice how he made it clear to the world (through the "fucking look at me, for fuck sake, why aren't you looking at me?!" medium of YouTube) that he was going to print lowers, which was against federal law without a license. He knew this would get him attention. He could have just done it, worked on improving it, and put the plans up anonymously. Why didn't he? Attention.

That's why he's talked with every media source that would give him the time of day. Did he really think that Alex Jones would legitimize him and his cause? If he has a brain, of course not. Glen Beck? Please. Would the New York Times be sympathetic to him? Really? All he did was play off the gun hysteria that's running rabid right now. Honestly, he's playing off a tragedy for attention.

The whole video was just another alarmist hit piece. The idea that 3-D printing would give toddlers and Charles Manson access to guns is ridiculous. "Teenagers are the ones most interested in 3-D printing..." Last time I checked, teenagers didn't have $1500+ lying around to pay for the printer alone, not to mention materials, the computer, the software, ammo, ect. That is, unless mommy and daddy ponied up for it.

The other point of "3-D printers will be commonplace in 15 years" is horseshit as well. They're still bulky, slow, and pretty fucking expensive (relative to the cost of manufactured goods). The base models will get cheaper, but the fact is that they will still be a luxury/hobby item, rather than something that you and all your friends will have.

The bottom line, really, is this: 3-D printing changes nothing. We couldn't stop Filipino insurgents from making pipe shotguns. The Nazis couldn't stop the French and Polish undergrounds from making STEN guns. The police all over the world can't stop criminals from making zip guns. There's been instructions on how to make all sorts of weapons out there for a long time. I remember as a kid seeing guys at the gun shows with stacks of Xeroxed copies of booklets telling you how to convert anything to full auto or how to make guns out of PVC and bubble gum. It's been around forever.

I'm tired of this douche getting all this attention and generally giving the gun grabbing camp more ammo (pardon the pun). We're not as crazy as this fuck. Most gun owners are responsible and (despite grumbling and working to get the law overturned) will follow the law. When people like Cody whatever-the-fuck-his-name-is and Alex Jones (a la his appearance on Piers Morgan's sad excuse for a talk show) are out there getting attention, it makes all of us look bad. GTFO with your crypto anarchist bullshit, kiddo.
« Last Edit: March 27, 2013, 10:38:53 AM by Bob Z Moose »
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Re: Printed AR-15 Documentary
« Reply #4 on: March 27, 2013, 11:09:44 AM »
Well said Bob. Haven't actually watched the video yet, checking this forum in between classes only....
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Re: Printed AR-15 Documentary
« Reply #5 on: March 27, 2013, 11:49:51 AM »
This is a bad idea on so many levels.. Until the next World War or government takeover.  Not that I'm saying I wouldn't print one, I totally would.  But Cody really needs to think about who he is giving access to the blueprints, not just leaving them all over the internet.

It's not like criminals can't already get their hands on actual, factory made, ARs already. This is one of the biggest arguments about gun control that is being thrown around right now. "Why ban them if criminals will get them anyways?" I see this as a good thing. It's hard to ban something that everybody has complete and unrestricted access to. This will make any new gun legislation, at least on magazines, invalid. The only way they can stop this is by banning 3d printers or the materials required to make them from a printer. The cardinal rule of the internet still applies here. "Once it is on the web, you can't take it off." I think Mr. James Yeager is a prime example of that.
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Re: Printed AR-15 Documentary
« Reply #6 on: March 27, 2013, 12:17:08 PM »
When I was in Egypt, there was a little mountain village I went to whose blacksmiths specialized in cloning firearms.

We gave them a beretta, and a few weeks later, using nothing but hand tools, had successfully replicated a firing clone of a beretta.

I've also seen an AK47 made out of nothing but hammer steel from a shovel, that DIY is floating around the internet somewhere.

This is just tech that makes it easier for unskilled people to fabricate firearms, it changes nothing for people who are skilled in some sort trade skill.

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Re: Printed AR-15 Documentary
« Reply #7 on: March 27, 2013, 12:36:59 PM »
Hell the ppsh was designed to be built in a tire shop.

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Re: Printed AR-15 Documentary
« Reply #8 on: March 27, 2013, 12:52:24 PM »
The shovel receiver AK was an awesome thread. Forget where I read it....

Watched the video. I like what he's doing. His execution and motivations however.... Well, I probably would have come about it differently by obtaining an FFL first, etc..... From the "attention" standpoint, who doesn't love pissing off gun grabbers? I can't really blame him for that. But again I would rather fly under the radar haha.

For those who didn't get to the end of the website, Cody now has an FFL. Here's his website: http://defcad.org/
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Re: Printed AR-15 Documentary
« Reply #9 on: March 27, 2013, 12:55:58 PM »

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Re: Printed AR-15 Documentary
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Re: Printed AR-15 Documentary
« Reply #11 on: March 27, 2013, 02:03:05 PM »
When I was in Egypt, there was a little mountain village I went to whose blacksmiths specialized in cloning firearms.

We gave them a beretta, and a few weeks later, using nothing but hand tools, had successfully replicated a firing clone of a beretta.

I've also seen an AK47 made out of nothing but hammer steel from a shovel, that DIY is floating around the internet somewhere.

This is just tech that makes it easier for unskilled people to fabricate firearms, it changes nothing for people who are skilled in some sort trade skill.
Hell the ppsh was designed to be built in a tire shop.

Those are cool stories, bros.

His execution and motivations however.... Well, I probably would have come about it differently by obtaining an FFL first, etc..... From the "attention" standpoint, who doesn't love pissing off gun grabbers? I can't really blame him for that. But again I would rather fly under the radar haha.

It's not just pissing off the gun grabbers. If that's was the only reason, I would call him the great gun troll ever. He actually thinks that he's leading a revolution. That's what makes him a douche, a crazy attention whoring douche that makes all of us look bad in the process.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FinRqCocwGE

More Pakistani gunsmithing. I heard you liked gold plated FALs and mini AR clones.
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/07/30/gunsmithing-in-pakistan/

On that note, has anyone heard of "Gun City" in the Philippines?
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2010/09/28/gun-city/
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Re: Printed AR-15 Documentary
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2013, 01:49:57 AM »
Notice how he made it clear to the world (through the "fucking look at me, for fuck sake, why aren't you looking at me?!" medium of YouTube) that he was going to print lowers, which was against federal law without a license.
Point of order: it's only illegal to sell, not to manufacture for personal use.

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Re: Printed AR-15 Documentary
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2013, 11:05:42 AM »
So you can. Seems a bit of a bugaboo if you ask me. I think my point still stands, taking out the part about the law. It was all about the attention.
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Re: Printed AR-15 Documentary
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2013, 11:58:00 PM »
Well it looks like I should have downloaded the CAD models months ago before this documentary came out.....
The website is down. Is this legit gov't work? This is kinda sketchy looking.... Actually. It's April 1st.
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