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Offline Raith

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« on: April 26, 2004, 11:22:53 PM »
I've seen that before, but I think there are new photos since I last looked.

That leg is photo is bothersome... [V]

Whenever I see Saddam paintings, I can't help but think of Three Kings. [:)]
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« Reply #1 on: April 27, 2004, 12:06:33 AM »
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« Reply #2 on: April 27, 2004, 07:45:21 AM »
War is not pretty or fun gentlemen.  The most distirbing pictures to me were of the injured children.
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« Reply #3 on: April 27, 2004, 10:24:27 AM »
none of this really bothers me. its kinda sad seeing some little kid all ****ed up, but these bastards are putting little kids in front of them as shields. what you also dont see much of it our injured soldiers. i saw a picture/video( i dont remeber which) of a US tank crew climbing out of their badly damaged Bradley. they were pretty messed up. alot of the dead people you saw most likely had it coming. they problably were shooting at our men, who were simply defending themselves. just becuase you dont see a weapon does not mean they are innocent. if they iraqis new what kinda ****storm they walked into willingly( the insurgents/saddam loyalists) they wouldnt do it.
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« Reply #4 on: April 27, 2004, 11:21:27 AM »
Do you not realize the human factor here, or are you just ignoring it?  Yeah, it's true that they put kids in war zones purposefully, and it is true that some of them may have been shooting at soldiers.  It's not about politics; it's about the suffering war brings upon people, even necessary war.  Sorry if that came off as a little strong; it's just that when people are suffering, the last thing we need to do is victimize the situation.
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« Reply #5 on: April 27, 2004, 02:13:42 PM »
I'm ok with the whole blocking it out to get the job done, but desensitizing yourself is a different story. If anything those pictures should enrage you even more to send more of the enemy on "The Magic Carpet Ride to Allah".

I don't know about you guys, but I have a hankering to do some justice all the sudden.
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« Reply #6 on: April 27, 2004, 04:15:31 PM »
i am completely ingnoring the human factor. i can bet you those were the people cheering in the streets after 9/11. human factor, my ass. i understand we are supposed to be the example of the world. but in my opinion we need to make the world an example, by whooping the ass of all who oppose, even if they are children. those children will be the ones that will come back later to hate the us becuase we killed their mother/father or both. then the same crap starts all over. i'm not saying we should commit genocide, i'm saying we need to show them we are not to be messed with. even if these means by killing children. i know it makes me sound alike a big asshole(well i am) but i'm sick of it. i feel no emotion for these people anymore. they do nothing to stop these insurgents. by not doing anything, in my opinion they are the enemy. everyone who wants peace over there has the oppurtunity to help us by telling us that there is a roadside bomb up ahead, or when they are walking into an ambush. but no, they sit around and watch our men and women die, for them. yeah i know, it takes some balls to do stuff like that, but they obviously do not care.
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« Reply #7 on: April 27, 2004, 04:36:40 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">i am completely ingnoring the human factor. i can bet you those were the people cheering in the streets after 9/11. human factor, my ass. i understand we are supposed to be the example of the world. but in my opinion we need to make the world an example, by whooping the ass of all who oppose, even if they are children. those children will be the ones that will come back later to hate the us becuase we killed their mother/father or both. then the same crap starts all over. i'm not saying we should commit genocide, i'm saying we need to show them we are not to be messed with. even if these means by killing children. i know it makes me sound alike a big asshole(well i am) but i'm sick of it. i feel no emotion for these people anymore. they do nothing to stop these insurgents. by not doing anything, in my opinion they are the enemy. everyone who wants peace over there has the oppurtunity to help us by telling us that there is a roadside bomb up ahead, or when they are walking into an ambush. but no, they sit around and watch our men and women die, for them. yeah i know, it takes some balls to do stuff like that, but they obviously do not care.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
This has overgeneralization written all over it. Not all casualties shown in these pictures were attacking us, or doing anything wrong...you seem to be ignoring that fact. I'll bet more than a few of the Iraqis that were cheering in the street when Saddam was captured, and his government destroyed have been injured/killed accidentily during the war. War isn't a pretty thing, and not all deaths are justified. Your statements are a direct contradiction of the entire goal of the war (It's called "Operation: <i>Iraqi Freedom</i>" not "Operation: Kill all Iraqis, including innocents") It's okay to be upset, but I don't think you need to take it out on women and children who were killed while we were in the process of knocking their tyrannous leader out of power.
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« Reply #8 on: April 27, 2004, 05:03:51 PM »
Those pics were pretty intense...
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« Reply #9 on: April 27, 2004, 05:48:39 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by thatoneguy92088</i>
<br />Those pics were pretty intense...
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you got that right bro.

My dad got me this "21 days to Bagdad" book which basicly had some news articles and pics about every major action in that campain. I read about one that an Armerican Army unit (i think it was one of the 101st platoons) and tehy got into a city (again i forgot which one) but at one point they were in their building and the Iraqis where in one across the street. they were shooting RPG's at our guys and every once in awhile the little pricks droped one. when there was about 3 of these things on the ground they sent a boy, estimated to be about 10, to get them. the americans yelled at him not to do it, but...he did and the reporter on the scene said it was like the kid was hit by a wall of bullets.
The point im trying to make is even the kids could help their war effort. the kid wasn't armed but was still a threat. he also wasn't being used as a human sheild.
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« Reply #10 on: April 27, 2004, 07:15:50 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">you got that right bro.

My dad got me this "21 days to Bagdad" book which basicly had some news articles and pics about every major action in that campain. I read about one that an Armerican Army unit (i think it was one of the 101st platoons) and tehy got into a city (again i forgot which one) but at one point they were in their building and the Iraqis where in one across the street. they were shooting RPG's at our guys and every once in awhile the little pricks droped one. when there was about 3 of these things on the ground they sent a boy, estimated to be about 10, to get them. the americans yelled at him not to do it, but...he did and the reporter on the scene said it was like the kid was hit by a wall of bullets.
The point im trying to make is even the kids could help their war effort. the kid wasn't armed but was still a threat. he also wasn't being used as a human sheild.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I'm not saying all children are automatically innocent, and can't do any harm (if that statement was directed at me [:P]) I was just saying I think Firehead was going a little overboard.
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« Reply #11 on: April 27, 2004, 09:40:52 PM »
<i>nein wolfe</i> it wasnt[:)] not really at least. I think you both (wolf and firehead) are right!not everybody is innocent and not everybudy is gonna run up and attempt to stab you as soon as you turn your back!
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« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2004, 09:45:19 PM »
We are both taking our side a little far [:P] Truce Firehead [:)]?
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« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2004, 09:46:08 PM »
I like the one of the soldier with all those beautiful AKs.
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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2004, 11:28:37 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Firehead</i>
<br />i am completely ingnoring the human factor. i can bet you those were the people cheering in the streets after 9/11. human factor, my ass. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Let's get real here.  They're evil, sadistic people who only want to kill Americans is what you are saying.  Is that right?

Perhaps they only know what is presented to them, right or wrong.  But what you say makes you no better than them.  They killed Americans, so you want to kill them.  I'm all for stopping, even killing active terrorists, but innnocent people?  That is simply wrong and bloodthirsty.  That was exactly their attitude when they took the airplanes and rammed the towers, killing thousands of innocent civilians.  

If we stoop down to the same barbarity, we become no better than them and even go so far as to condone their actions by saying it is a justifiable means of warfare.  I say no!  We cannot reduce to satisfying our desire for revenge-induced bloodlust and kill innocent people in order to "set an example" for the world.  Besides, can you imagine the example we would set?  "Anyone who messes with the United States should fear for the lives of their civilians because we will kill them."  That is tyranny and savagery, not American values.  If we ever do that, I could not blame any country who wants to attack us.  In fact, I'd support them.  What has made this nation great is not its military might, it is its sense of justice tempered with mercy.  A strong hand only creates more dissent.
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It is said that on the eve of battle, Dienekes was told that the Persian archers were so numerous that, when they fired their volleys, the mass of arrows blocked out the sun.  \"Good,\" Dienekes laughed, \"then we\'ll have our battle in the shade.\"