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Offline Paco

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« on: May 18, 2004, 10:29:16 PM »
GWB not getting the NRA endorsement will be a death wish for him, so he cannot afford to sign any renewal - though it won't ever come to that.  To be sure, the NRA is holding off any candidate endorsement until Sept 13.  Heh...
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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2004, 10:35:00 PM »
wat are the weapons that are banned, sry im not a big gun guy
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« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2004, 11:15:55 PM »
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"(i) Norinco, Mitchell, and Poly Technologies Avtomat Kalashnikous (all
models);
"(ii) Action Arms Israeli Military Industries UZI and Galil;
"(iii) Beretta Ar70 (SC-70);
"(iv) Colt AR-15;
"(v) Fabrique National FN/FAL, FN/LAR, and FNC;
"(vi) SWD M-10, M-11, M-11/9, and M-12;
"(vii) Steyr AUG;
"(viii) INTRATEC TEC-9, TEC-DC9 and TEC-22; and
"(ix) revolving cylinder shotguns, such as (or similar to) the Street
Sweeper and Striker 12;
"(B) a semiautomatic rifle that has an ability to accept a detachable
magazine and has at least 2 of--
"(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
"(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of
the weapon;
"(iii) a bayonet mount;
"(iv) a flash suppressor or threaded barrel designed to accommodate a
flash suppressor; and
"(v) a grenade launcher;
"(C) a semiautomatic pistol that has an ability to accept a detachable
magazine and has at least 2 of--
"(i) an ammunition magazine that attaches to the pistol outside of the
Pistol grip;
"(ii) a threaded barrel capable of accepting a barrel extender, flash
suppressor, forward handgrip, or silencer;
"(iii) a shroud that is attached to, or partially or completely
encircles, the barrel and that permits the shooter to hold the firearm
with the nontrigger hand without being burned;
"(iv) a manufactured weight of 50 ounces or more when the pistol is
unloaded; and
"(v) a semiautomatic version of an automatic firearm; and
"(D) a semiautomatic shotgun that has at least 2 of--
"(i) a folding or telescoping stock;
"(ii) a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of
the weapon;
"(iii) a fixed magazine capacity in excess of 5 rounds; and
"(iv) an ability to accept a detachable magazine.
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Full text of the 1994 Crime Bill:  http://www.rkba.org/federal/crime-bill/old-text.10aug94
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« Reply #3 on: May 19, 2004, 12:12:58 AM »
"a pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon"

What a bunch of loosers.  I should develope Carpal Tunnel Syndrome*sp and Sue the federal government because their stupid law caused me to twist my wrist to enjoy my freedom to shoot.

Now the Grenade launcher, I might have a problem with every Joe Schmoe using one of those.
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« Reply #4 on: May 19, 2004, 07:27:13 AM »
The funny thing about the grenade launcher item is that a lot of military rifles use their muzzle breaks/flash hiders a grenade launcher.  Now how many of you have grenades laying around that you're ready to start shooting at people?  I sure as hell don't and since they're a regulated item anyway, (Class 3 items) I doubt many of us will.  Now if we're talking about those imitation M203 flare launchers, well is it a flare launcher or a grenade launcher?
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« Reply #5 on: May 19, 2004, 07:44:13 AM »
I don't think a lot of people get grenades simply because of the $200 tax stamp PER GRENADE (ouch!).  For something that's a one-shot deal, that gets pretty expensive.

The M203 is 40mm and the "imitation" ones Harley's referring to are 37mm (www.37mm.com).  There aren't any 37mm grenades out there (that are legal anyway), and the 37mm launchers are NOT regulated at all since they aren't considered firearms.  The only "rule" regarding them is that it's not legal to fire any sort of anti-personnel ammo (or anything designed to kill/harm), so they're referred to as "flare launchers".  I looked at getting one, but I haven't found one that looks good.  Most hang down WELL below where they should (to look like an M203).

You can buy a real M203 (if you have the $$), and put it on a preban gun but there isn't really anything to fire out of it unless (like stated before) you want to plop down the $200 tax stamp pre grenade.
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« Reply #6 on: May 19, 2004, 09:15:52 AM »
I think you can buy the shell casings and reload them to shoot dummy rounds without having to pay the tax on them.
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« Reply #7 on: May 19, 2004, 09:29:01 AM »
wow do you really need to pay for a stamp on every shell?  that would REALLY suck.. damn good thing you dont have to do that with MG's..hehehe.
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« Reply #8 on: May 19, 2004, 09:54:45 AM »
Yep, explosive items like grenades are $200 a pop for the tax stamp.  Unless you're with a government agency or the military that is.
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« Reply #9 on: May 20, 2004, 08:39:25 PM »
Thats weird, the scottsdale gun club has a full auto steyr aug up for sale, so does JandG, yet the list you posted says steyr aug?
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« Reply #10 on: May 20, 2004, 09:06:16 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Mr. Joseph</i>
<br />Thats weird, the scottsdale gun club has a full auto steyr aug up for sale, so does JandG, yet the list you posted says steyr aug?
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Cause the MG ban was way before the AW ban. That aug you saw must have been made in the 80's.
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« Reply #11 on: May 20, 2004, 09:06:10 PM »
The steyr AUG is a class 3 weapon (automatic)
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« Reply #12 on: May 21, 2004, 07:24:58 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Mr. Joseph</i>
<br />Thats weird, the scottsdale gun club has a full auto steyr aug up for sale, so does JandG, yet the list you posted says steyr aug?
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You guys have to stop thinking inside the box.  There is also a SEMI AUTO ONLY version of the AUG that is sold in the US.  They run about $3,000 to $4,000.  A FULL AUTO unit is not controlled under the AWB, that is an NFA weapon and totally different.
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« Reply #13 on: May 21, 2004, 08:24:24 AM »
That explains it.  The SCG has one of each for sale.
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« Reply #14 on: May 22, 2004, 12:20:01 AM »
So.. If I took the pistol grip off of my ak, would it be legal to take into CA? or is the simple fact that it CAN have a grip illegal?

edit: New thought- For a CA-legal weapon... How about a bullput design in which the trigger is right in front of the mag, making the mag the grip... Seems a lot better than the fixed-mag AR's. I'm bored.
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