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« Reply #30 on: June 08, 2005, 03:34:13 PM »
Hey! No bashing the Chauchat!

As one old WWI vet said "It was an awful rifle, but you could disassemble it and use the parts to make a still"

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« Reply #31 on: June 08, 2005, 03:36:51 PM »
$109 at the one by me :D  I'll be getting one in a few months.  But the problem with getting the real steel, is you can't shoot people, legally, with it.
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« Reply #32 on: June 08, 2005, 03:37:31 PM »
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Mosin Nagat?

Again why?

Im not trying to be harsh, but that gun belongs in the depths of history with the Chauchat, the lebel, the type 50, and even the webly-fosbery, possibly ugliest pistol ever made. :)

The point im trying to get across is that if you like the gun, than you like no matter if it is a poorly designed weapon. But making an airsoft gun out of it is like making an airsoft version of the liberator pistol, there is not really a point. Its up to tyou what you perfer, but if you like the russian style weapons, than this is like the most mediocre weapon that the genius of the russian innovators came up with. I like russian weapons too, but there is a reason why Big5 sporting goods has piles of these rifles for $79 each. :)

Oh well, Its you oppinion and its not my job to change it. But im just saying, buy a Nagat,and a Turkish mauser. Take them both to the range and see which one is easier to operate and is more accurate.

Anyway, im not going to bash on this rifle any longer, because I would also like to see some airsoft guns made myself too. Your oppinion is unique to this rifle, and I have my own oppinions on which one I perfer. So if you still like the mosin nagat, I dont blame you, after all, it is russian. :)
There is a difference between a remake at BIG 5 and a real Mauser KAR 98 or a Mosin Nangant.... If you have ever shot a circa 1930-1942 Mauser you would not have said that... I have a friend who has a 1938 made Mauser K98 and it is accurate as any bolt action rifle I have ever seen.... It's also the best hand made weapon in possibly the world...The germans didn't put much craftsmanship into alot of things but their bolt action Mausers were prestine.. And the german troops became incredibly accurate with just iron sights. The mosin Nangant is also very accurate, as long as you have a pre WW2 era model.
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« Reply #33 on: June 08, 2005, 03:40:48 PM »
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I'd like a freaking .357 magnum.


there a bunch of those...
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« Reply #34 on: June 08, 2005, 03:55:55 PM »
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I'd like a freaking .357 magnum.

there a bunch of those...


i know tanaka makes some. don't know how well tanaka makes airsoft though.

i'd also like to see this:
http://www.antiquefirearms.com/images/h ... attwo1.jpg
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« Reply #35 on: June 08, 2005, 04:15:31 PM »
Marui makes one also, and Marushin makes some too(think it was Marushin anyway)
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« Reply #36 on: June 08, 2005, 04:32:43 PM »
I would very much like to see a Sig P226, and even more so like to see a Steyr TMP.

I'll second whoever mentiond the brittish sterling as well, very cool guns.

I'm a pretty big WWI buff but I can't see wanting any airsofti goodness from that war.

Deagle, LOL.
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« Reply #37 on: June 08, 2005, 04:49:34 PM »
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I would very much like to see a Sig P226, and even more so like to see a Steyr TMP.

I'll second whoever mentiond the brittish sterling as well, very cool guns.

I'm a pretty big WWI buff but I can't see wanting any airsofti goodness from that war.

Deagle, LOL.
Marui Makes a 226, and so does KSC. Both are ABS but I am sure the Marui will have plenty of aftermarket parts for it soon.
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« Reply #38 on: June 08, 2005, 04:52:02 PM »
TMPs can be purchased also, made by KSC i believe.
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« Reply #39 on: June 08, 2005, 05:38:22 PM »
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It's also the best hand made weapon in possibly the world...The germans didn't put much craftsmanship into alot of things but their bolt action Mausers were prestine


Ok, there are so many things wrong with that statement that I do not know where to start. But ill do my best:

1. The mauser 98k was a war production model deginated the Kurtz, model 98, with production begining in 1939. Being war production, the pace of the factories were steped up, and shortcuts were made to make the rifle easier to produce. In all it is probably not the best manufactured gun in germany at the time. The early mausers were the ones that were real quality because there was not a world war going on to hamper the pace of production. This model was deginated the mauser model 98, Or Gewher 98. This one had a straight projection bolt, a non locking magazine follower, and a precisioned machined reciver that was fit to the best standards. Production of these rifles stopped after WWI. I own a 1939-42 mauser, and a 1912-18 mauser, and I know first hand how much better the earlier type is.  

Ok and now for the other half of your statement that is so false that it makes even people who have little knowlege of history not belive you.

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The germans didn't put much craftsmanship into alot of things...


Since the begining of the 15th century it was the germans who put the most craftsmenship into their arms of war. In the late 17th century, a few german immigrant craftsmen who lived in the plains of what we now know as pennsylvainia, started making guns that they realized could be enormously more accurate than any other gun that had been made before. These guns included spiral grooves cut into te inside of the barrel thjhat gave the tight fitting ball am axial spin stabilizing it flight. These are called rifilings, and the germans game to call this type of gun a Rifle. All other weapons that existed in the world were muskets, or smoothbore long guns that threw a round lead ball quite inacuratley. By the mid 1700s, the german gunsmiths had advanced their manufacture of their rifles to a point where no other gun in the world shot as powerful or as acuate. They incorperated a long barrel, to take full advantage of the expanding gasses of the gunpowder, sometimes more than five feet long. They sized down the borte to around .54 caliber, to save lead per shot. And they forged their own locks from iron smelted on the spot. This new rifle soon became widley produced, and went infamously down in history under the name of the state it was made in, The Pennsylvainia rifle, or later known as the Kentucky rifle. This rifle was one of the main rifles of the american revolutionary troops,  and gave the americans an advantage over the british that probably turned the war for independance in our favor. In fact we probably owe the independance of our own country to the craftmenship of those german gunsmiths.

As germany became a more civilized country they realized that they need to begin experimenting in the automatic weapon industry. the time of the 1800s was at a close, and people all over the country were begining to move into the modern age. One such german by the name of Hiram Maxim was starting to tinker with the thought that perhaps a gun could be able to fire more than one shot with no more effort than the pull of a trigger. A few years later in 1884 maxim had his first working protype of the first autoloading gun the the world had ever seen. He gave the world the thought that the power of a firing cartrige could power a gun, and make it able to shoot continuously under its own power. To the genius of this lone german inventor, we owe every gun in the world that is able to load and fire with no more effort than the pull of th trigger. All the automaticly loading rifles and pistols that we have ever have known are based off of the maxim principal in some way.

As WWII was starting, germany was looking for a new edge in their field of weaponry. The maxim gun had been used in the german army for some thime, and they felt that a new type of weapon was needed. This, Busta is where your false reference comes in. The german inventors started experimenting with the bolt action design that they had created around the turn of the centuruy, and figured that maybe they could combine it with the maxim autoloading design. In late 1933 the new type of machine gun was developed and was later adopted by the german army as the MachinenGewher 1934, or MG34. This was probably the finest machine gun to come out of WWII, with its rotatring bolt, and prcision made linkage, along with a muzzle booster to dampen te recoil. It also incorporated an air cooling barrel shroud which made the water cooling type of the maxim obsolete. Eventually, after making lots of these guns, germany decided that this gun was in fact TOO good to be used, and they decided to revise the design to make it easier and faster to produce.
The new design was designated the MG42, and utilized a a unique bolt with rollers on either side. This type of bolt is still used in all HK submachineguns and rifles up to today. All mp5s, and g3s have virtually the same bolt that was designed over 60 years ago. So if you own an mp5, or G3 busta, I wouldnt be talking about how the germans dont put craftmen ship into their guns. In fact the MG42 is still used by ther german army today, deginated under the name MG3.

The germans were nothing but the bets when it came to designing things. Ziess optics are world renowned as the best optics in the world and have perfect lens percision.

The broomhandle mauser was probably the most meticulously machined type of pistol that was ever produced. In the entire pistol, tere are no pins or screws, but eack part interlocks like a puzzle piece to operate a a quality functional design.

The model P08 luger was based almost identically on the maxim design, and it was produced up untill the end of WWII

The model P38 pistol was the one pistol that made the beretta. The p38 was the first to utilize a decocker system, and a double action trigger design that made it more safe to carry. The modern beretta was copied almost directly from it, because it was such a good design.

Your ignorance Busta_Cap has caused me to waste 2 hours of my time writing this post. I hope that you will see in the future that one should not post if they have no Idea of the history of what they are talking about. Next time you think you know what someone else is talking about, make sure that you know your facts first. Because ignorance is what causes you to be wrong.
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« Reply #40 on: June 08, 2005, 05:40:29 PM »
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It's also the best hand made weapon in possibly the world...The germans didn't put much craftsmanship into alot of things but their bolt action Mausers were prestine


Ok, there are so many things wrong with that statement that I do not know where to start. But ill do my best:

1. The mauser 98k was a war production model deginated the Kurtz, model 98, with production begining in 1939. Being war production, the pace of the factories were steped up, and shortcuts were made to make the rifle easier to produce. In all it is probably not the best manufactured gun in germany at the time. The early mausers were the ones that were real quality because there was not a world war going on to hamper the pace of production. This model was deginated the mauser model 98, Or Gewher 98. This one had a straight projection bolt, a non locking magazine follower, and a precisioned machined reciver that was fit to the best standards. Production of these rifles stopped after WWI. I own a 1939-42 mauser, and a 1912-18 mauser, and I know first hand how much better the earlier type is.  

Ok and now for the other half of your statement that is so false that it makes even people who have little knowlege of history not belive you.

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The germans didn't put much craftsmanship into alot of things...

Since the begining of the 15th century it was the germans who put the most craftsmenship into their arms of war. In the late 17th century, a few german immigrant craftsmen who lived in the plains of what we now know as pennsylvainia, started making guns that they realized could be enormously more accurate than any other gun that had been made before. These guns included spiral grooves cut into te inside of the barrel thjhat gave the tight fitting ball am axial spin stabilizing it flight. These are called rifilings, and the germans game to call this type of gun a Rifle. All other weapons that existed in the world were muskets, or smoothbore long guns that threw a round lead ball quite inacuratley. By the mid 1700s, the german gunsmiths had advanced their manufacture of their rifles to a point where no other gun in the world shot as powerful or as acuate. They incorperated a long barrel, to take full advantage of the expanding gasses of the gunpowder, sometimes more than five feet long. They sized down the borte to around .54 caliber, to save lead per shot. And they forged their own locks from iron smelted on the spot. This new rifle soon became widley produced, and went infamously down in history under the name of the state it was made in, The Pennsylvainia rifle, or later known as the Kentucky rifle. This rifle was one of the main rifles of the american revolutionary troops,  and gave the americans an advantage over the british that probably turned the war for independance in our favor. In fact we probably owe the independance of our own country to the craftmenship of those german gunsmiths.

As germany became a more civilized country they realized that they need to begin experimenting in the automatic weapon industry. the time of the 1800s was at a close, and people all over the country were begining to move into the modern age. One such german by the name of Hiram Maxim was starting to tinker with the thought that perhaps a gun could be able to fire more than one shot with no more effort than the pull of a trigger. A few years later in 1884 maxim had his first working protype of the first autoloading gun the the world had ever seen. He gave the world the thought that the power of a firing cartrige could power a gun, and make it able to shoot continuously under its own power. To the genius of this lone german inventor, we owe every gun in the world that is able to load and fire with no more effort than the pull of th trigger. All the automaticly loading rifles and pistols that we have ever have known are based off of the maxim principal in some way.

As WWII was starting, germany was looking for a new edge in their field of weaponry. The maxim gun had been used in the german army for some thime, and they felt that a new type of weapon was needed. This, Busta is where your reference comes in. The german inventors started experimenting with the bolt action design that they had created around the turn of the centuruy, and figured that maybe they could combine it with the maxim autoloading design. In late 1933 the new type of machine gun was developed and was later adopted by the german army as the MachinenGewher 1934, or MG34. This was probably the finest machine gun to come out of WWII, with its rotatring bolt, and prcision made linkage, along with a muzzle booster to dampen te recoil. It also incorporated an air cooling barrel shroud which made the water cooling type of the maxim obsolete. Eventually, after making lots of these guns, germany decided that this gun was in fact TOO good to be used, and they decided to revise the design to make it easier and faster to produce.
The new design was designated the MG42, and utilized a a unique bolt with rollers on either side. This type of bolt is still used in all HK submachineguns and rifles up to today. All mp5s, and g3s have virtually the same bolt that was designed over 60 years ago. So if you own an mp5, or G3 busta, I wouldnt be talking about how the germans dont put craftmen ship into their guns. In fact the MG42 is still used by ther german army today, deginated under the name MG3.

The germans were nothing but the bets when it came to designing things. Ziess optics are world renowned as the best optics in the world and have perfect lens percision.

The broomhandle mauser was probably the most meticulously machined type of pistol that was ever produced. In the entire pistol, tere are no pins or screws, but eack part interlocks like a puzzle piece to operate a a quality functional design.

The model P08 luger was based almost identically on the maxim design, and it was produced up untill the end of WWII

The model P38 pistol was the one pistol that made the beretta. The p38 was the first to utilize a decocker system, and a double action trigger design that made it more safe to carry. The modern beretta was copied almost directly from it, because it was such a good design.

Your ignorance Busta_Cap has caused me to waste 2 hours of my time writing this post. I hope that you will see in the future that one should not post if they have no Idea of the history of what they are talking about. Next time you think you know what someone else is talking about, make sure that you know your facts first. Because ignorance is what causes you to be wrong.
How about some proof to back up all that.... And wow you wasted two hours writing that.... Not my problem.
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« Reply #41 on: June 08, 2005, 05:41:36 PM »
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« Reply #42 on: June 08, 2005, 06:11:26 PM »
Proof:

Guns and How they work
By Ian V. Hogg
Published By Chartwell Books Inc.
Seacaus NJ 07094
Copyright 1979

Mauser Rifles
National Rifle Association
Bublished by NRA book service
Copyright; 1980

Pistols of the World
By Ian V. Hogg and John Weeks
Published by London Arms and Armour Press
Copyright 1978


Shooter's Bible
1964 Edition #55
pp. 316-17

Theres somthing called a local library. Go down there, chek em' out. You might learn somthing.

I also own almost all of the guns that I mentioned, and naturally I know my history about them. Its only somthing that you gain through knowlege if you own a gun of historical importance. Because if you are a collector, you have to have the knowlege to back up you collection.
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« Reply #43 on: June 08, 2005, 06:19:16 PM »
Just a quick question: How does it feel to waste your time on a something stupid?
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« Reply #44 on: June 08, 2005, 06:23:50 PM »
once again bustas ignorance serves as his downfall. busta i personally know m79 grenadier i watched him write some of that post while over at his house. i can testify, he has all the books and rifles to back up his statement. dont try to patronize his information by asking for proof when you know good and well its the truth. he knows his subject matter and he was even good enough to provide you with proof (i doubt youll ever go down to a library to prove him right). stop being so uninformed for a change, its annoying to have to prove everything to you because your too lazy to research and get the information for yourself.
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