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« Reply #30 on: September 14, 2004, 10:10:22 PM »
well DC and Mass. for that matter. That should take care of most of the liberals[^].
As mentioned before, the gun is the tool, the person the weapon.

What I would like to see is a comparison between kids being killed/hurt on bikes, and kids being killed/hurt with guns. How come they never present the gun problems with any other problem that we have. Another one, how about all you people pools! They kill an awful lot of kids.
The media and most anti-gun groups never compare these simple life things with one another.

One death is too much, so get rid of the bikes, oh and pools!!!

With out a weapon you are a slave.
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« Reply #31 on: September 14, 2004, 10:29:14 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Ruiner</i>
<br />SO i guess by these same rationales hunting rifles should be banned too right?  after all there is no need and they are only used for taking lives at a distance. you can not use a remmington 700 in home defense now can you?  <b>thats why we should only be allwoed to have one handgun for home defense.</b>  These such long rifles are worthless and can only give the criminals the ability to take more lives without putting themselves in harms way just like the DC sniper.  Join me people.. we must ban all long rifles and hunting rifles in fear of our childrens lives.
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But handguns can be concealed. They are evil too. We should ban them as well.
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« Reply #32 on: September 14, 2004, 10:34:18 PM »
More children die of drowning in their own swimming pools that have been killed by a gun shot each year.  We don't ban swimming pools do we?  We try to teach commen sense like putting up a fence with a locked gate to keep the kiddies out when there are no adults around to supervise.  Yet there are still more drownings each year.  

Stoli, do you feel that the poor people in these areas are not allowed to defend themselves from these gun toting gang bangers?  If I lived in a neighborhood where there was random shootings and drive bys going on I sure as hell would want some firepower to defend myself and my family.  Are you saying these people should be denied that?  How do you know it was from an SKS and not an AR15 or an AK47?  How in the heck did you count the rounds going off?  I would be more concerned with finding cover than counting how many rounds went off.

Sniperwolf88, for your information, if you have the bucks you sure as hell can own your own T-72 or Hornet!!!  I suggest you shut your yap and don't interject in this thread until you're old enough to vote and legally buy a gun.  At that time you'll have something to contribute to the topic.
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« Reply #33 on: September 14, 2004, 10:38:26 PM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Stoli</i>
<br />What got me so pissed was that comment. To act like drive bys never happen completely blows my mind. People seem to think crime only happens in low income areas, not true. Violent crime happens everywhere. Its those sheltered people that dont realize that. I wasnt refering to him as rich suburban ****, his statement simply sounds like one they would make...
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I don't get offended very easily, so I didn't take that comment personally (although everyone else did). I was simply referring to the media's depiction of guns and violence. I DO know that drive bys and other (usually gang-related) shoot outs happen all too often. I can see a police helicopter off to the north west of my house right now circling. They usually respond that that kind of crap. Hmm...

During the short time that I worked in the jail downtown, I probably took nearly a thousand mug shots. One of the ones that sticks out in my mind the most was a 13 year old being booked in for doing a drive by. I DO know about crime.

And aren't most of the people in this county suburban? The only places I would consider urban living would be right around downtown phoenix.
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« Reply #34 on: September 14, 2004, 10:43:23 PM »
USMC- "I don't get offended very easily, so I didn't take that comment personally (although everyone else did).

It wasnt meant to be, thank you for not taking it as such...
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« Reply #35 on: September 14, 2004, 10:57:54 PM »
I like to make it a policy to not get mad at online conversations. I did that too many times on the Military.com forums with the liberal trolls there. People misinterpret too much in text-only conversations. AA is a strange forum in this respect because of the mix of people that know eachother and people that have only been on the forums.
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« Reply #36 on: September 14, 2004, 11:02:29 PM »
Greg, youre 100% right. I've been on enough forums to know how they work. So from now on, as stated in another thread, Ill only post about AA events, & equipment. Its not worth the effort defending myself on every topic from 10 different people...
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« Reply #37 on: September 15, 2004, 01:47:24 AM »
Ok the Guy stuck in Iraq's Turn:
First this is Scary to think that ANYONE would base legislation on a study put out by the Violence Policy Institute, esp one as shot thru with holes and double speak as the study/ essay about the terrorist threat of .50 cal rifles. First to buy Firearms leagally you MUST be a US citizen of good standing (no felony convictions, or no Lautenburg Act violations (domestic violence) **OR** have a clearance from the U.S.A. Goverment that gives (or in some cases strongly requests) the sale of certine weapons to approved countries.  So  the Idea that the .50 cal manufactures are flooding the market overseas is pure bull.

Why would anyone want a .50 BMG rifle? why not they are a blast to shoot, and the challange of putting that BIG bullet into the bullseye at 2000 meters is a hoot. Seriously though there are several legitimate reasons, long range compitition, the 2nd amendment right to keep and bear arms (some people take it VERY seriously), and Hunting (yes I said hunting, some states have allowed hunting with these large rifles, New Mexico is or was one of them, and I have heard of animals such as elk being harvested at over 1500m with them. Now I personally don't own one.. YET, but once I get one it will mostly be a disply peice, but I will be using it every chance I get for long range compitition.

As to why this law from Califonia (or as some call it Commiefornia) affects us is that often what happens in the political hotbed of CA moves to Washinton DC later, so don't be surprised when you hear about a simular or the exact same bill being introduced in the senate or congress in the next year or two. Also this affects us because many of the people in Arizona now days are from other states, and califronia prolly has the highest percentage of transplants. Which means what goes on there can happen in Az too, do to the large amount of Commiefornication that has been happening to the western US.

BTW I was born in northern Commiefornia, lucky for me though it was in a rural area that still believed in personal freedoms. So before any fellow californians get all huffy, remmber I'm one myself.

 <blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Hey, in that case, why don't I own a fully functional T-72? Or a Hornet? Ok, i'll tell you. It's because it has no purpose in civilian lives! It's the same as a .50 cal rifle. Do you REALLY need one? If it's just for collection, I'm sure you can go out and obtain a de-militarized rifle.
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You actually can own these Items if you have the money for it, they aren't cheap. I remember reading about a guy that bought one of the Mig-25's from the Russians after the collapse of the USSR, he wanted a high proformance jet in his collection of aircraft. What he didn't expect was the mig to arrive in boxes with armament also! Yes he did the right thing and reported it, and had the munitions destroyed, but he had all the leagal paperwork to own it all, due to his importation license. Most privately owned tanks and military vehicles have the weapons demilled to save them from having to have Destructive Device permits, but there is a few around that are still in "Mint" working condition.
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« Reply #38 on: September 15, 2004, 06:57:25 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Harley</i>
<br />Stoli, I have to know your background.  You say you can't vote so that means you must have been convicted of a Felony?  So that also means you cannot legally own any firearms correct.  And now you're going to defend same sex marriages?  OK guys if I step over the line on this one then I accept the bashing.

Stoli, you must have enjoyed jail too much.

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No Harley you didnt step over the line..  i know you from several message boards and you are just stating your opinions.  Stoli is as well, but it seems hes the one getting angry with it all.  Oh well...

Oh, and a side note.  I come from a NON gun family.  So using people's upbringing obviously doesnt mean a damn thing.  My folks didnt talk about guns, they didnt hung, none of my relatives hunted, and i never shot a gun til i was 25.  And I made an educated decision to go shoot, and I enjoyed it.  I now own 4 guns, and love to TARGET shoot.  I do not hunt though.  I dont really believe that i should kill something just for sport.. if i needed to eat.. sure.  But im NOT saying others shouldnt hunt.. if thats your thing.. cool go for it.  My father in law hunts lots.. i have eaten the meat he gets.  But i wont pull that trigger.  Thats why i go to the range to shoot.  I like it... just cuz my neighbor may not doesnt mean that i shouldnt be able to.
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« Reply #39 on: September 15, 2004, 07:39:48 AM »
harley, i can tell you havn't taken the biggest liking to me, from replies to other posts and replies i have made before as well.  But hey, this is an all ages FORUM, and thus, I can reply to whatever I so please.
But from what I know, and I could very well still be wrong, you cannot have that T-72 with a funtional turret, nor that Hornet with functioning Sidewinder missils and Phoenix missiles (or a missile launch system at that).  Thus, my point was go ahead and buy something like that, but it shoulndn't be completely functional.  Now, I know a rifle with a missing piece on the inside can easily be modified to work correctly (hence AK's having their constant modifications by owners buying parts and gunshows and eBay), but that would be breaking the law (provided the rifle is like the .50 cal and illegal).  When people cross that boundry (the law), then they are doing something wrong.  And all of the people here don't seem like the type of citizen who breaks laws, rather upholds it in every manner possible.
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« Reply #40 on: September 15, 2004, 07:41:42 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by gixser13</i>
<br />nor do I agree with the right to marry same sex, but Kalforina does both , So with that.....
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Now where the hell did you get onto that topic!?  That doesn't belong in a gun discussion!
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« Reply #41 on: September 15, 2004, 09:05:01 AM »
Harley, you didnt step over the line, I thought it was funny, clever!

Stoli, Ill take that problem with you.  You are very hypocritical.  Harley "like(s) to restrict" rights.  Bull****, you are the one that is crying about 50 cals and gun laws.  And you can't vote?  YOUR OPINION NO LONGER MATTERS, so drop it.  CONVICTED FELONS DO NOT GET A SAY IN HOW MY COUNTRY IS RUN.
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« Reply #42 on: September 15, 2004, 09:05:03 AM »
First off you never said anything about weapons on the T-72 or Hornet.  But to that effect, yes you can have fully functional weapons systems on both.  Again if you have the money you can pretty much own what ever you want.

I'm not going to debate some 16 year old who's still wet behind the ears and dosen't know a ****ing thing about life yet.  I'm 3 times your age and done more than you can even imagine doing in your life.  When you grow up and gain some life experience THEN you can come back here and debate me on things you DO know about.  Until then, shut your trap, sit back and LEARN.
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« Reply #43 on: September 15, 2004, 09:12:13 AM »
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="1" face="Verdana" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Mr. Joseph</i>
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Stoli, Ill take that problem with you.  You are very hypocritical.  Harley "like(s) to restrict" rights.  Bull****, you are the one that is crying about 50 cals and gun laws.  And you can't vote?  YOUR OPINION NO LONGER MATTERS, so drop it.  CONVICTED FELONS DO NOT GET A SAY IN HOW MY COUNTRY IS RUN.
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Hey I'm on your side of the issue, but lets keep it civil. Attack the idea, not the person. Even if Stoli can't vote doesn't mean he can't express his opinion (granted, maybe not "officially"). I like to see both sides of the issue so I myself can decide if my current idea is logically sound or if I need to start thinking on it a bit more[8)].
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« Reply #44 on: September 15, 2004, 11:07:20 AM »
agreed, but he got ****ty with a couple of us.
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